The AT World of Warcraft Thread (Where do you play) and general BS

[Beev]

Ugh, I've been farming Timbermaw rep. That shit is tedious. Halfway through neutral from just kill rep and 250 feathers saved up so far.

 

[Anubis]

yea it takes a number of hours but its pretty brainlessly easy if you are a warlock 2 dots kill them just run in cicles, i do this and take shots at the same time, makes it more interesting

 

[Harabec]

Guys...where do you level 40-45?
My paladin is level 41 (resting due to realm downtime) and it seems I have a "hole" from 40-45 that is pretty devoid of interesting quests to fill in. There are some in STV but...anything else?
Tanaris quests are mainly 45+

 

[Beev]

Feralas if you're Horde, not sure how good those quests are for Alliance

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Harabec
Guys...where do you level 40-45?
My paladin is level 41 (resting due to realm downtime) and it seems I have a "hole" from 40-45 that is pretty devoid of interesting quests to fill in. There are some in STV but...anything else?
Tanaris quests are mainly 45+

STV, Swamp of Sorrws, Bandlands, Tanaris, Desolace, Ferelas, Hinterlands, Blastedlands (?) that one might be higher i cant remember

a combonation of all those should fall in there somplace

when i leveled my warrior i pretty much skipped ferelas all together as well as badlands, this is as horde


Beev: there are a good number of Ali quests in ferelas from feathermoon island place

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Tremulant
I should hit 70 on my new hunter this weekend. It'll be my first. Yay! (Started the char at the end of Sept.)

Woot!

Originally posted by: Anubis
STV, Swamp of Sorrws, Bandlands, Tanaris, Desolace, Ferelas, Hinterlands, Blastedlands (?) that one might be higher i cant remember

a combonation of all those should fall in there somplace

when i leveled my warrior i pretty much skipped ferelas all together as well as badlands, this is as horde

Beev: there are a good number of Ali quests in ferelas from feathermoon island place

STV... would be fine, but I usually finish that around 44-45. Badlands, I prefer to be 42, because there's an occasional level 44 mob that you will need to kill... for a level 42 quest ~_~. Also, if you go to Badlands, you will need the following items: Gyrochronatom, Healing Potion, Patterned Bronze Bracers, Frost Oil and I think there's one more. Also, you should have done the Shimmering Flats quests if you want to go there as it will open a quest from Martek the Exiled to get the Indurium Flakes from the Troggs. You will also have to kill said Troggs for a quest that you get in Loch Modan, so don't forget to pick that up (it's at the excavation site). Also, there are Uldaman quests that you can easily do now that the outside mobs are non-elite. These quests come from numerous places:

[*]There's a note at the southern end of the dig site that you have to find Ryedol's Lucky Axe at that starts an Uldaman quest. You go find Hammertoe Grez, get his amulet, then go bring it to IF then go kill an elite in the fortress in Badlands.
[*]The Agamond quest line will result in a quest to get urns.
[*]Theldurin the Lost starts a quest line The Solution to Doom.
[*]A guy in Thelsamar (Loch Modan) will give you a quest Uldaman Reagent Run after you do his first quest to get items off mobs in Badlands (coyote teeth, etc).
[*]The guy near Martek the Exiled gives you the quest to get the An'allelum and Dentrium power stones.

I recommend doing Tanaris at 48 so you can do the entire thing at once. If you do it before, you may have issues doing the Thistleshrub Valley quest line.

Desolace... you're kinda too high once you're level 41.

Feralas... you can go and do the initial quests, but you'll have to go back to do the Stave of Equinox, Fuel for the Zapping and the zapping quest as they're all 48-50 level quests and the first one involves you having to do a quest in the Hinterlands (snap the picture of Gammerita) to even get it in the first place. The missing Courier quest line works well at a low level though... especially since it's so fricken easy now.

Hinterlands... wait on this one. You should have other quests for this place first such as the Puertobelly Portos quest from Booty Bay, the Gammerita one from Rut'theran Village, the find the drunk dude that's part of a quest line from Stormwind that leads to a quest in Sunken Temple and I believe that's all.

Swamp of Sorrows would be fine, but remember that we don't have a ton of quests in there by itself. There's one in Booty Bay to go there (Dream Dust in the Swamp), there's one in Theramore to go there (... And Bugs), there's one in Stormwind to go there (it sucks though, don't do it). The quest givers are Watcher Biggs (heh), the dudes at the Draenei camp and the dude stuck in the cage. Just remember to clear the two camps before you let him out, or you won't have a fun time as he loves to aggro.

 

[rivan]

I'm having trouble following re:Warlocks - is the consensus that we're gimps at 70 but it gets better at 80?

I'm having a helluva time performing like I think I should. I'm consistently being out-DPS'd by hunters, pallies, mages. The only way I can keep up on trash anymore is to spam Seed of Corruption. I only look good on bosses if they have an exceptional amount of health.

I just want to know if I'm in a tunnel with light at the end, or if I'm just in a pit.

 

[xboxist]

Originally posted by: Beev
Ugh, I've been farming Timbermaw rep. That shit is tedious. Halfway through neutral from just kill rep and 250 feathers saved up so far.

If you're Alliance, you can grind the Wintersaber Trainers rep for their mount, and get Timbermaw rep at the same time.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: rivan
I'm having trouble following re:Warlocks - is the consensus that we're gimps at 70 but it gets better at 80?

I'm having a helluva time performing like I think I should. I'm consistently being out-DPS'd by hunters, pallies, mages. The only way I can keep up on trash anymore is to spam Seed of Corruption. I only look good on bosses if they have an exceptional amount of health.

I just want to know if I'm in a tunnel with light at the end, or if I'm just in a pit.

i think its a tunnel but its a very uphill tunnel coated with teflon

trash numbers are meaningless for aff locks, always have been that has not changed, 2 years ago this was the case, just put like 1 dot on them and shadowbolt

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Wild growth really doesn't need to be nerfed. It did before because it was OP but they fixed it. It is a very mana intensive spell to use if you are trying to keep up with priests and shaman so one cannot rely on it for very long and it doesn't heal instantly.

The answer lies with in balancing Paladins and maybe some adjustments to priests or shaman thanks to issues like CoH.

Don't nerf paper. Instead, just buff rock.

I agree though. Most focus on AoE heals causing the big numbers and making paladins look ridiculous. But when you compare raw numbers, it's not the case, paladins are on top by very large margins without AoE heals. We have the healing output, and I'd go out on a limb and say that we don't need a AoE heal.

The other mechanic that is implied with AoE heals is intelligent server side healing. Decouple the two and you can see that it's the smart healing that is killing us, not the AoE healing and GCDs. What we need is a smart heal that involves utilizing our overheal and making it effective heal on the lowest target. Without that, consider yourself lucky to land a heal when you have 3+ healers in a group.

As you said, the issue is fixing paladins to have synergy with the other 3 healers so some of their heals can actually count as effective. I can react to someone taking damage instantly and start casting a 1 second flash of light, and while I wait for it to finish, that person received 3-4 random heals and is topped off before my heal lands.

The healers who caused those 3-4 heals didn't even know that person took damage and weren't even aware they healed it >.>

We are on the same page here.

One last thing I forgot to mention about Wild Growth is that while it is an effective spell with both certain strengths and weaknesses we do not always have the luxury of using it properly. This is due to the need for rolling LB along with other HoTs on tanks. We have talents that assist with giving us more time to use Wild Growth which is nice but as you are most certainly aware timing is everything and not being able to cast Wild Growth within that 1 second period where it is most viable because you have to refresh two LB stacks first can be a deal breaker.

Anyways, just food for thought when it comes to that specific spell.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Now that the lock has been shelved due to dinging 70 (sounds like a punishment... heh) I decided to devote some time to the Paladin as prot spec pre-xpac just to see if I definitely want to level the rogue.

Do any of you have a lot of experience with post-patch prot Paladins? I was shocked by just how much has changed. The new judgement system took me by surprise so I honestly fail completely at reading all of the patch notes.

Spec: I used a cookie cutter spec for the most part.

Gear: I was holy so all of my really good gear is for that spec. I have an assortment of blues/low end epics that I'm wearing for prot but some pieces from holy I decided to keep because I did not have a good prot replacement. Namely T5 shoulders and some legs from Kara. I do have a Suneater and I'm debating on whether the mongoose investment is worth it at this point since I may be replacing the weapon in 2 weeks anyway.

Strategy: I am basically testing him out in the sunwell dailies since I will be doing the same thing once the xpac hits... questing. What is your general strategy when soloing dailies in order to be the most efficient? There is a good chance I will have a boomkin running along with me but I would be interested in hearing your favorite solo strategies.

Here is what I was doing last night and I'm sure I butchered it (I'm at work and can't access the sites I need to access for specifics)...

*I run with Righteous Fury, Blessing of X (damaging blessing cant remember the name), Ret aura:

1) Open with Avenger's Shield
2) Pop Holy Shield
3) (Optional) Consecrate if I have multiple mobs
4) Hit "whatever that new attack is called that hits multiple targets" (I'm 99% sure it was added in the last year...)
5) My seals/judgements were based on what hp/mana I was at. There was another seal, Vengeance I believe, that I was using when pulling single mobs.
6) Sometimes finish with HoW

Anyway, I think the toughest adjustment will be finding a place for 2 more judgements on my hot bar. I guess for PvE soloing I mainly need to worry about light/wis but perhaps not. Any tips/advice would be greatly appreciated guys.

 

[NaOH]

Fought a lvl 35 pally with my 37 BM hunter last night. Damn those guys are tough. Bastard healed himself 4-5 times before i was able to down him because he was out of mana =/. I pretty much just laid down my frost trap and used concussion shot to keep a distance and just danced around him. Had to use one potion though cause he hit me with that hammer. Throughout the whole time i was in ST, ganked like 18 allied people with no problem. But then I ran into him and was like....WTF....just DIE.

 

[Aikouka]

You should be using Blessing of Sanctuary as a protadin to keep your mana up when combined with holy shield. I don't really have an issue with judgments as they're just Shift+1/2/3.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
You should be using Blessing of Sanctuary as a protadin to keep your mana up when combined with holy shield. I don't really have an issue with judgments as they're just Shift+1/2/3.

Blessing of Sanc... that's the one I was using. So with that in mind do you see any issue with how I'm playing the class for questing purposes? Do you generally just use light/wis when questing or do you throw in some other seal/judgment as well?

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Blessing of Sanc... that's the one I was using. So with that in mind do you see any issue with how I'm playing the class for questing purposes? Do you generally just use light/wis when questing or do you throw in some other seal/judgment as well?

I'm not a tankadin anymore . I never used that many spells though.. I could never regen enough mana to use anything more than a seal and a judgment, but if it's better now. Do remember that JoW is being nerfed though. Also, I quest with my warlock, so I don't have very long fights.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: NaOH
Fought a lvl 35 pally with my 37 BM hunter last night. Damn those guys are tough. Bastard healed himself 4-5 times before i was able to down him because he was out of mana =/. I pretty much just laid down my frost trap and used concussion shot to keep a distance and just danced around him. Had to use one potion though cause he hit me with that hammer. Throughout the whole time i was in ST, ganked like 18 allied people with no problem. But then I ran into him and was like....WTF....just DIE.

I have a 39 BM hunter right now so I can finally contribute to hunter talk. Why not use intimidation to interrupt a casted heal? That's what I'm doing to mobs who cast heal... because hunters are out of luck with interrupts otherwise.

 

[crystal]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: NaOH
Fought a lvl 35 pally with my 37 BM hunter last night. Damn those guys are tough. Bastard healed himself 4-5 times before i was able to down him because he was out of mana =/. I pretty much just laid down my frost trap and used concussion shot to keep a distance and just danced around him. Had to use one potion though cause he hit me with that hammer. Throughout the whole time i was in ST, ganked like 18 allied people with no problem. But then I ran into him and was like....WTF....just DIE.

I have a 39 BM hunter right now so I can finally contribute to hunter talk. Why not use intimidation to interrupt a casted heal? That's what I'm doing to mobs who cast heal... because hunters are out of luck with interrupts otherwise.

long cooldown time for a short duration.

edit - oh, you need to drain his mana.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: crystal
long cooldown time for a short duration.

edit - oh, you need to drain his mana.

He does have Viper Sting (I looked it up and it's a Rank 1 at 36), but the issue is that a Paladin could simply cleanse it off. It might actually be worthwhile to try firing one and seeing if he cleanses it... or perhaps if you keep him busy he may not notice, but a good player will always keep that off. You could say that he might be able to out-mana him, but that's risky without AotV.

You're going to have a lot of fun against Death Knights though . Once your TBW is over, I'd simply Death Grip you, hit CoI and go to town. If you were outputting enough damage while in TBW, I could simply put Mark of Blood on you and just laugh as you heal me for as much damage as you deal .

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: crystal

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: NaOH
Fought a lvl 35 pally with my 37 BM hunter last night. Damn those guys are tough. Bastard healed himself 4-5 times before i was able to down him because he was out of mana =/. I pretty much just laid down my frost trap and used concussion shot to keep a distance and just danced around him. Had to use one potion though cause he hit me with that hammer. Throughout the whole time i was in ST, ganked like 18 allied people with no problem. But then I ran into him and was like....WTF....just DIE.

I have a 39 BM hunter right now so I can finally contribute to hunter talk. Why not use intimidation to interrupt a casted heal? That's what I'm doing to mobs who cast heal... because hunters are out of luck with interrupts otherwise.

long cooldown time for a short duration.

edit - oh, you need to drain his mana.

are pallies usually already healing midway thru their healthbar? I was thinking you could interrupt his 'oh shit' heal at the end and burst him down (which can happen because you have a high dps pet too). Draining his mana with viper sting at this level is probably not gonna work any better. I have trouble getting any mana at all from viper sting right now.

All in all though, if you can't interrupt pallies the only other thing really is to make / wait for them to run out of mana.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: crystal
long cooldown time for a short duration.

edit - oh, you need to drain his mana.

He does have Viper Sting (I looked it up and it's a Rank 1 at 36), but the issue is that a Paladin could simply cleanse it off. It might actually be worthwhile to try firing one and seeing if he cleanses it... or perhaps if you keep him busy he may not notice, but a good player will always keep that off. You could say that he might be able to out-mana him, but that's risky without AotV.

You're going to have a lot of fun against Death Knights though . Once your TBW is over, I'd simply Death Grip you, hit CoI and go to town. If you were outputting enough damage while in TBW, I could simply put Mark of Blood on you and just laugh as you heal me for as much damage as you deal .

non retarted hunters dont spec BM anymore because its useless, they are marks or Surv, both of which will kill a DK

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Anubis
non retarted hunters dont spec BM anymore because its useless, they are marks or Surv, both of which will kill a DK

Hey... my hunter is BM . Also, I still don't see marks killing a Death Knight and Survival probably won't either. I'd have to give it a try, but I think given a good Frost build, I could beat a Hunter of any spec.

 

[jmmyz14]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Aikouka
You should be using Blessing of Sanctuary as a protadin to keep your mana up when combined with holy shield. I don't really have an issue with judgments as they're just Shift+1/2/3.

Blessing of Sanc... that's the one I was using. So with that in mind do you see any issue with how I'm playing the class for questing purposes? Do you generally just use light/wis when questing or do you throw in some other seal/judgment as well?

I recently respecced to Prot (my guild needed someone to tank HH) and my soloing PVE strat is basically the same as yours. except i use seal of righteousness (for the added dps) and devotion aura instead. should be approx the same net effect, i just dont like taking as much damage.

i leveld to 70 with ret (yeah they are completely OP right now) and respeccing to prot was a major downgrade... but i'm taking one for the team. i just picked up the welfare epics from scourge invasion as well as the sword and helm from headless horseman. not sure where to find a good shield... my guild is really small and we havent run heroics or raided yet.

 

[Baked]

WoW forum administrators must've had an epic brain fart, look at what they're doing?!

Quote from: Nethaera (Source)

With the upcoming release of Wrath of the Lich King and the many changes the expansion brings to classes and mechanics, we have decided to rearrange our forums to make it easier for players to hold constructive discussions. To that end, we have created three role-based forums -- Tanking, Damage Dealing, and Healing -- in place of the class forums. Why?

Common ground for common roles. The new structure provides central places for players of diverse classes and specs to discuss their common roles. Until now, there was no one obvious forum for a holy paladin to discuss Arena healing tactics with a restoration shaman, or for a protection warrior to talk tanking mechanics with a feral druid. This often led to splintered, fractured, and redundant discussions. In addition, the original class forum structure never properly took the impact of talents into account, lumping together a shadow priest and a holy priest (for example) when that didn?t necessarily make sense.

Celebrate diversity! While a tank tanks and a healer heals, the specific ways each class and talent build go about these roles are very distinct -- and the addition of new abilities in Wrath of the Lich King will continue to add even more ways to play. The new forum structure will still be a place for a frost mage (for example) to discuss tricks of the trade with other frost mages, while at the same time facilitating an understanding of the unique tools that rogues or other damage-dealers have to perform similar functions.

Help us help you. The new forums will also allow the community team and developers to follow discussions and gather feedback more effectively as the game continues to evolve -- which, ultimately, translates to a better World of Warcraft for you.

The current individual class forums will be active until Thursday, November 6. On that date, we will be removing the individual class forums. You can begin using the new forums immediately at the links below:

As if individual class forums wasn't bad enough w/ flame threads, this change will cause cluster fucks that will crash the forums daily. gg Blizzard.

 

[invidia]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Anubis
non retarted hunters dont spec BM anymore because its useless, they are marks or Surv, both of which will kill a DK

Hey... my hunter is BM . Also, I still don't see marks killing a Death Knight and Survival probably won't either. I'd have to give it a try, but I think given a good Frost build, I could beat a Hunter of any spec.

True, DKs are the twin king of rogues for complete control of a duel/fight. BM with a good pet seems to be the only way to out-tank and run away from a DK.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Baked
WoW forum administrators must've had an epic brain fart, look at what they're doing?!

Quote from: Nethaera (Source)

With the upcoming release of Wrath of the Lich King and the many changes the expansion brings to classes and mechanics, we have decided to rearrange our forums to make it easier for players to hold constructive discussions. To that end, we have created three role-based forums -- Tanking, Damage Dealing, and Healing -- in place of the class forums. Why?

Common ground for common roles. The new structure provides central places for players of diverse classes and specs to discuss their common roles. Until now, there was no one obvious forum for a holy paladin to discuss Arena healing tactics with a restoration shaman, or for a protection warrior to talk tanking mechanics with a feral druid. This often led to splintered, fractured, and redundant discussions. In addition, the original class forum structure never properly took the impact of talents into account, lumping together a shadow priest and a holy priest (for example) when that didn?t necessarily make sense.

Celebrate diversity! While a tank tanks and a healer heals, the specific ways each class and talent build go about these roles are very distinct -- and the addition of new abilities in Wrath of the Lich King will continue to add even more ways to play. The new forum structure will still be a place for a frost mage (for example) to discuss tricks of the trade with other frost mages, while at the same time facilitating an understanding of the unique tools that rogues or other damage-dealers have to perform similar functions.

Help us help you. The new forums will also allow the community team and developers to follow discussions and gather feedback more effectively as the game continues to evolve -- which, ultimately, translates to a better World of Warcraft for you.

The current individual class forums will be active until Thursday, November 6. On that date, we will be removing the individual class forums. You can begin using the new forums immediately at the links below:

As if individual class forums wasn't bad enough w/ flame threads, this change will cause cluster fucks that will crash the forums daily. gg Blizzard.

yes that is very stupid