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QuantumPion

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Originally posted by: Harabec
FFS...
I just bought a new comp (a HD4850 is on the way, will arrive sunday\monday) with a clean installation of Vista and had to reinstall WoW.
Patch 2.4.2 is 1.1GB and it has been downloading for over a day at almost zero-kb-per-sec. I hate this P2P scheme.

Vista probably blocked the the connection and either you dismissed the dialogue box to allow access, or it got bugged out and didn't appear (happened to me once). Check your firewall settings. Alternatively, you can get a mirror link from wowwiki, search for patch mirrors or something like that.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Harabec
FFS...
I just bought a new comp (a HD4850 is on the way, will arrive sunday\monday) with a clean installation of Vista and had to reinstall WoW.
Patch 2.4.2 is 1.1GB and it has been downloading for over a day at almost zero-kb-per-sec. I hate this P2P scheme.

i pulled down that same install last week at 900k/s sustained
on vista 64
 

Harabec

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P2P is enabled and the Vista FW lets the downloader do whatever it wants, its d/l speed is simply very slow. 2kb\sec from user X, another 2 kb\sec from Y etc. 200MB to go... :p
 

lupi

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I haven't had patch problems recently, but for like a week after it was released up till patch ~2.1, I would find someone putting the patch up for d/l as my speed from the p2p source would suck big ones.
 

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Originally posted by: Aikouka
In most cases then... players won't even need lower rank spells. I think the only character I use low rank spells on is my mage and that's just Frost Nova and Scorch. But in this case, I downrank Frost Nova so I don't spend so much freezing mobs when I don't care about the measely damage. Frankly, I think FN should be reduced to one rank and have its cost lowered significantly to near rank 1 amounts. I don't know a single mage that uses a higher rank. I use scorch rank 1 only when a boss is pulled (and sometimes a mob) and I don't want to lay too much threat on immediately.

Oh and I looked up those Blizzcon tickets... I find it amusing that most do not give you the goodie bag....

mages are kings of downrank.

Downrank frostbolt (rank 1) for a quick snare in arena
downrank poly since they ALL last 10 seconds in arena anyway
downrank CoC, only used for the snare
downrank AE spam to pull rogues out of stealth

don't know why you'd downrank scorch though, that's precious precious dps.
 

AntiFreze

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I wish that worked for rogues ability. I would love to be able to downrank kick, gouge, etc. if they used less energy.
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: Dangerer
don't know why you'd downrank scorch though, that's precious precious dps.

Depends on your tank... sometimes tossing scorches at the beginning of a fight jacks my aggro up quite a bit and it ends up being better for me (threat-wise) to just use scorch rank 1 at least a couple times. If the tank is pretty good with his TPS, I can just use full rank. In the midst of a fight to refresh fire vuln, I just use the max rank. But I know, I gotta keep my DPS up or those nasty warlocks will pass me :p. I do anywhere from 850 to 1020 dps right now as it is.
 

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PSA, if you're on an epic flyer be careful about tabbing out of the game while flying, may not know what zone you're in when ya switch back if say watching phelps swim :)
 

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Quick update - I decided to check how WoW works with integrated graphics (GMA3100 or whatever this board has). I'm amazed it does ok at 1440X900 ('19 widescreen). Everything is set to low and it is not completely smooth, but still playable.
That's running around Darkshire, though.
 

lupi

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There was a big update but most of it was screenies and zone discussion. The little remaining other notes below. One item of interest; in the continuing tanking saga blue talks about not yet knowing how the classes will compare at 80 because no one is 80 yet. Given the rather substantial amount of material changing between the beta builds now I wonder how long till the final game release if no adjustments for L80 have begun yet.



Mana cost change to prevent Downranking
Remember that we're looking for constructive feedback. And please keep in mind that as we've stated, we're going to look at any issues this changes creates and will be working to resolve them. This may include the addition of new spells or abilities or possibly re-working existing unused abilities. (Source)

Utgarde Keep - Ingvar the Plunderer Phase 2We're still looking into what causes Ingvar's transition to phase 2 to halt for some players, but haven't been able to identify the precise reason this happens yet. (Source)

Feral Tanking in WotLK
Nobody can really compare a level 80 prot warrior to a level 80 feral druid because those individuals don't exist yet. Therefore, we have made almost no attempt to compare their tanking stats except to say "Man, bears could probably use something like Last Stand and something like Thunder Clap" and "Hey, let's make sure bears don't have to scrounge for rare +defense leather or even +resilience in order to be uncrittable." That work is coming.
Bears are able to tank some end-game content even on Live, so I don't think they are orders of magnitude behind warriors. In situations where they struggle, it is sometimes because of crushing blows or mechanics introduced specifically to drive warriors to tank, Shear for instance. I'm going to be tanking Ulduar on my bear, so I'll be the first to complain if I feel the class design isn't up to it.
As far as the previous poster who likes the Feral as the tank / dps hybrid, I don't think anything we're doing will really hurt that. You may be 5-10 talent points behind a tank-focused Feral or a dps-focused Feral but if you liked OTing the bear boss in ZA and then dps'ing on the eagle boss, you should still be great at doing that. The difference is the bear who does spend those talents on threat, mitigation and oh snap abilities instead of +Shred can actually be a raid's primary main tank.
One of the best rogues I know occasionally raided in blue gear or with no talent spec just to remind everyone that player skill often has a much bigger impact on your contribution to a raid than anything else. I know it's easy for anyone to drag out antecdotes that nobody else can validate, but it's worth keeping in mind.
Now I am imagining the "GC said you don't need talents or gear to tank, so obviously X class isn't going to get any!" quotes. 1) Not true. 2) Sigh. (Source)

Warrior (Skills List / Talent Calc. (8788))
Overpower in PvEI can't recall if I mentioned this, but one thing that comes up a lot is letting Arms get better use out of Overpower in PvE. No promises, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see something like this. (Source)

Tanking multiple targets in WotLK
Shockwave is a cool ability, but if it is the ultimate AE tanking ability, that isn't really going to let dps warriors tank Utgarde. I also know plenty of warriors and bears that can get a large pull to stick them like glue even today. But it takes a lot of tab-targeting and a lot of skill. Skill is always going to be a component of tanking, but since you can't always gauge the skill of someone you don't know, we'd rather give everyone good tools to tank a 5-player run. (Source)

Death Knight (Skills List / Talent Calc. (8788))
Bloodworms HealingThe Bloodworms should heal you for 150% of the damage they do. If they hit for 30, they should heal you for 45. There were some bugs with the calculation until recently. (Source)

Death Knight Auras in Buff Bar
We turned the aura icons off. Once you get the talent, that aura will be up all the time so we thought it was annoying to have the icon always there reminding you. Most passive talents aren't shown as icons. It shows up for the other players in your group, however, to remind them. (Source)
Black IceBlack Ice says it affects "spells" but I believe the way it is set up is just to improve Frost and Shadow damage. I'm not sure if anyone has tested that or not. Changing that tooltip could have a big effect on Frost and Unholy.
 

Aikouka

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Started playing my druid more this past weekend... got him up a couple levels and decked him out in Nightscape gear... safe to say he has quite a lot of agility :eek:. I also tried a bit of PVP... which was mainly just an annoyance of me fighting twinks half the time. Had two talent points sitting around so I put one into Feral Charge (which I had ignored up until that point since I never really found a time when I needed it in PVE). That made it a bit more fun going zoom-zoom everywhere :D. Had a couple annoying 45+ minute WSG losses too... those not so fun :(.

But I'm currently 39 at the moment and going to Shimmering Flats before everything is completely gray. Not sure where I want to go next... probably Southshore to get to 41 and then Arathi, which should net me 43. Then I'll go back to STV and finish off the higher level quests there and get about 45. 45... sounds like a perfect time to start Tanaris and Feralas! Ohh humm sounds like I forgot Swamp of Sorrows... that might be good to do either before or after STV. The mobs on the far east are about 40, so that'll work out. I'll most likely skip Desolace, as I usually only do that on PVP servers (less Horde problems) or if I want the SM quest, which I don't give a tauren's bottom about on my druid. Oh, gotta finish off Dustwallow too. That'd probably be best before starting Tanaris or Feralas. So much to do... so little leveling time to do it in. Oh and there's also farming some decent gear and stuff in instances... it's nice just using my rogue and stealthing to bosses with my druid.
 

Anubis

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you can totally skip Arathi and Southshore, i just did that on my warrior lol hes now 56

you first go to STV like low 30s, do what you can and then go off to SoS, for horde theres a good number of quests there, then back to STV through mid 40s, i went to Hinterlands at 46 i think all of those took me past 50, i did all the tanaris quests 5+ lvls over when you get them as well, only did a handfull in Ferelas

went into Ungo at 54 tons of Qs there, Felwood falls into the 45-55 lvl range as well as WPL

and ive always skipped Desolace, too much of nothing out there


also if you dont allready know this, the Cloth Quartermaster Turnins give a TON of exp, if you can just buy all the cloth doing the Wool-Silk-mage-runecloth turnins gives you about 16K EXP, you can do this in all 4 major cities
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: Anubis
you can totally skip Arathi and Southshore, i just did that on my warrior lol hes now 56

I don't mind doing them too much... especially Southshore since it also has quests in Alterac. But you also gotta know that there's a quest in Stormwind and Badlands for Alterac... which on that note, I didn't even mention Badlands. To get that quest, you need to do one of the outside-the-instance Uldaman quests (getting the thing from the tomb)... it's the Star, Hand, Heart quest, which is good to have as it requires you to kill mobs in STV, Dustwallow and Alterac. But Southshore is usually good to do around 40-42 as that puts you at the same level as all the higher level ogres and Grel'borg the Miser (the ogre with the star in the Ruins of Alterac). Southshore is also nice if you found the book while at the graveyard in Duskwood as that provides another quest while in Alterac. Arathi isn't too bad as the biggest focus should be Stromgarde quests as they're much easier now. There will be one gray quest while I'm there, but that's not a huge deal. The only problem is that you have to remember as Alliance to get the quest from Malin in Stormwind's Mage District to talk to Skuerto. This is one of the few Talk To quests that is required to start the quest line. It leads to the super fun Trelane's Defense quest that used to be quite difficult when Stromgarde was elite.

Originally posted by: Anubis
you first go to STV like low 30s, do what you can and then go off to SoS, for horde theres a good number of quests there, then back to STV through mid 40s, i went to Hinterlands at 46 i think all of those took me past 50, i did all the tanaris quests 5+ lvls over when you get them as well, only did a handfull in Ferelas

I end up going around 32 or so to STV and only do the initial quests at Kurzen's Camp and the young panthers and tigers. I also pick up the quests at the Rebel Camp that send you to booty bay. Then at booty bay you should get the quests that you can do easily (discovering the camp, etc). Since I have lots of junk in my bank, completing the bloodstone ore quest is easy. I don't go to SoS until I have two quests from other zones: "...And Bugs" from the chef in Theramore (this is a level 40 quest requiring you to kill crawlers at the shore) and "Dust in the Swamp" to get Dream Dust from Krazek to snort :p. That's the low level one you have to be careful about or else it will be gray. There really aren't many quests to do in Swamp of Sorrows for Alliance... mostly from the Draenei and the one Watcher Biggs guy. There's also one in Stormwind that involve killing elemental swamp guys until they drop a lost tome.

STV is good to go around 42 or so because of some mobs being around 45, but you probably won't run into them until you hit 43, so no worries about them being orange. Fortunately, I remember back when you had to do the Bloodsail Buccaneers quest and the last captain was a level 48... so you'd have level 43 and 44's doing a level 45 quest where the mob is orange or red to them :laugh:. It took Blizzard forever to fix that. I prefer going to Hinterlands a little later because of some of the harder quests there. It's helpful having some extra levels to kill the two 50's at the Altar of Zul (for the mallet) and doing the chicken quest (you can cheat to do this one via leading the mobs away while on a mount while the chicken keeps going... I usually found the owlbeasts to be the hardest spawn for this quest). The one issue you have in Tanaris and Feralas is the split in quest levels, which is one reason why it's nice to go there later on as there's no reason to leave. Although, I really hate Feralas' later quests... as killing those water elementals is always a pain since elemental damage is unmitigated. Tanaris only has some bug area quests and the stuff in Thistleshrub Valley for high levels and they aren't too bad. You can also lead Tooga while down there (if you can find him :p).

Then I'll probably do Searing Gorge and then maybe Burning Steppes (you should be around 54 when doing it as there are a quest or two that require you to be a little higher). I normally have Winterspring and Silithus left by the time I hit 60 and don't end up going to Outlands until 62.

Originally posted by: Anubis
went into Ungo at 54 tons of Qs there, Felwood falls into the 45-55 lvl range as well as WPL

That's a good level to go as going too early just makes some of the higher level quests harder. Especially depending on your class as "Pawn Takes Queen" is still one of the harder non-group quests to solo that I've seen. WPL is a weird zone, because you almost have to split it up with EPL to be effective. I don't touch Hearthglenn or Gahrron's Withering until I get some of the quests from LHC that involve getting things there (Davil's Libram and Redpath's Shield). Felwood is also nice to do at a higher level if you want to do things like the Shadow Hold. I made sure to get the FP to Emerald Sanctuary when I was up reading the Tome of Mel'thandris, so I don't have to do the annoying run again.

Originally posted by: Anubis
and ive always skipped Desolace, too much of nothing out there

I still find it a nice filler on a PVP server since I prefer to avoid doing a lot of STV until I'm level 40. That way, I don't have to worry about Horde as much... excluding those bored level 70s.

Originally posted by: Anubis
also if you dont allready know this, the Cloth Quartermaster Turnins give a TON of exp, if you can just buy all the cloth doing the Wool-Silk-mage-runecloth turnins gives you about 16K EXP, you can do this in all 4 major cities

Yep, I did that on my Hunter, but I haven't done it yet on my Druid. I'll have to organize all the cloth first and do it. I wish we could turn in Netherweave too... I have way too much of that crap floating around.

Leveling is just so much more technical when you know the quests :(.
 

Anubis

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i compleatly forgot to mention Dustswallow, with the addition of mudsprocket there are a massive amount of quests there, its where i filled most of the gap between STV quests with.

currently on my warrior ill prib hit 57 in ungoro, still have alot of those killxxx and pray for drop quests which give a lot of EXP simpley because you have to kill so much crap, after that ill prob hit up felwood, alot of yellow !! there yesterday when i got the FP, figure ill use Fell and winter spring to get to 60+ and do Steps/silithus if i need to for 62 before heading to outlands

bandlands and blasted lands are 2 other zones i basicially skipped, as well as Searing Gorge, and th eplaguelands, tho i might need to do the plaguelands to hit 62, not sure
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: Anubis
i compleatly forgot to mention Dustswallow, with the addition of mudsprocket there are a massive amount of quests there, its where i filled most of the gap between STV quests with.

currently on my warrior ill prib hit 57 in ungoro, still have alot of those killxxx and pray for drop quests which give a lot of EXP simpley because you have to kill so much crap, after that ill prob hit up felwood, alot of yellow !! there yesterday when i got the FP, figure ill use Fell and winter spring to get to 60+ and do Steps/silithus if i need to for 62 before heading to outlands

bandlands and blasted lands are 2 other zones i basicially skipped, as well as Searing Gorge, and th eplaguelands, tho i might need to do the plaguelands to hit 62, not sure

Blasted Lands can be good if you have the crap from the mobs sitting in your bank to simply turn into the high elves there. Also, I have an imperfect Draenethyst Shard sitting in my bank which I can turn in for a quest. But I usually don't care much about Blasted Lands except for a delivery quest that you get in Darkshire (and you deliver a package from the watcher guy in SoS too). Searing Gorge is nice, because most of the quests involve only being on the west portion of the map. Not to mention doing that quest line with the dragon dude gives you the molt, which you can then turn in for free exp in Burning Steppes. Alliance do have a couple things to do on the eastern side of Searing Gorge. If you find the outhouse key, you can let someone out and get free Exp from that. Also, if you do his other quest, you can get the Tanaris Ledger, which gives you another reason to go to SoS. I usually do not do this quest, because you need 20 legs from the glassweb spiders and they don't drop well. I do normally do the escort quest there on the eastern portion for Alliance, because it leads to a quest to kill Lathoric the Black and Obsidion, which isn't hard now that they're not elite. It also gives you another reason to kill the Twilight's Hammer people while you're farming to get the sigil of Ragnaros and the Apology to Elune (which you get the quest for the Apology up where the Soltara Stone is that you need for the Lathoric line).

You will probably need to do the plaguelands if you intend on hitting 62 before going to Outlands. They're definitely a decent source of Exp, but you should try to have the stuff available for the turn-in quests before you go. I can tell ya that I have 30+ of every turn-in used for there (savage frond, core of elements, crypt fiend parts, bone fragment, etc) in my bank. Those quests give about 10,000 exp a piece.

Un'Goro is pretty good about quests and drops... I think the only annoying drop quest there is the Super Sticky Tar quest that you get in Gadgetzan. The Volcanic Ash quest from Ratchet is a 100% drop and you can also do the thermometer quest while doing that (it's at the top near Blazerunner). If you're real good, you could also do the quest to smelt the key for Scholomance at the same time :D (requires 2 thorium bars). You get it after you do All Around the Watch Towers and then getting the skeletal fragments (good drop rate in Andorhal). Sometimes the kill quests there can be annoying as the Pterrordaxes are spread out a bit, but if you know there's a nice colony south of the bugville, you're fine (also, am I the only person that recognizes what the bugville looks like on the Un'Goro map :eek:).

Felwood is pretty good overall... although I don't remember much of it on Horde. Alliance has some good quests there that are pretty much 100% drop rate unless it's a single item. There's also the slime quest from Ironforge (Horde have one in Undercity) which leads to a slime quest in Un'Goro. I believe Horde also have to go to Un'Goro after doing the one in Felwood, although Alliance have to get more scrapings ... Horde have to combine two types of slimes.
 

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I'll have to wait till I'm on the pc to show the horde recommended order, mainly I skip STV as gank central and the xp/quest bonuses make up for that zone.
 

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I also need to finish my prot pally... he's 69 and I don't want to do quests to finish him off (his warlock partner is 70). I may just send him to Karabor and use my priest to keep him healed. Maybe I'll try killing those elites for fun (except Varedis of course... kinda hard to kill him without the book).

Oh and I was originally doing PVP on my druid to get the epic bracers, but I decided to ignore them and just get the S2 at 70 instead. Seems the S2 is pretty well balanced if I want to do DPS or Tanking. But speaking of tanking, I get at least one tell a day on my druid to tank some random instance and I'm not even a high level :Q! I just decline since I have my rogue drag me through everything so I can be lazy :D.
 

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Originally posted by: lupi
I'll have to wait till I'm on the pc to show the horde recommended order, mainly I skip STV as gank central and the xp/quest bonuses make up for that zone.

heh i was ganked more in Ungoro yesterday in a 4 hour span then i was the entire 10 lvls i spent in STV
 

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So my fiance finally quit wow, and I took her 70 resto druid. the druid is SSC/TK ready, however, I think im going to go pvp with her. I started to do some BGs to earn the cheap cheap trinket.

How do you heal in a BG? I was using the shift+v to see close members. I always managed to be the #1 healer in the 3 BGs I did (2 eots, 1 AB). are there good mods for pvp resto druids? I was using raid style healing in tree form mostly - regen + swiftmend, regen, lifebloomx3, regen, regrowth, natures swiftness + healing touch....

is there a better strat?
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: lupi
I'll have to wait till I'm on the pc to show the horde recommended order, mainly I skip STV as gank central and the xp/quest bonuses make up for that zone.

heh i was ganked more in Ungoro yesterday in a 4 hour span then i was the entire 10 lvls i spent in STV

I've probably been killed in every zone at least twice, only time I was seriously ganked in the old world was by some warrior in the gorge. Hillsbrad fields is usually the other bad place, but during most of the times I've been there, at least one of the other hordies in the area has a 70 parked at TM for once the ganking starts and the normally ends it pretty quick.

I am planning on brining the rogue, and maybe the druid through STV though...for obvious reasons :)
 

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Originally posted by: AntiFreze
So my fiance finally quit wow, and I took her 70 resto druid. the druid is SSC/TK ready, however, I think im going to go pvp with her. I started to do some BGs to earn the cheap cheap trinket.

How do you heal in a BG? I was using the shift+v to see close members. I always managed to be the #1 healer in the 3 BGs I did (2 eots, 1 AB). are there good mods for pvp resto druids? I was using raid style healing in tree form mostly - regen + swiftmend, regen, lifebloomx3, regen, regrowth, natures swiftness + healing touch....

is there a better strat?

You could always get one of the raid bar mods with a range indicator and set it to display % or total health values.
 

Aikouka

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Originally posted by: Anubis
a fire?
a Tear drop?

those are the 2 things it looks like to me

Put yer mind in the gutter and look again :p.

Originally posted by: AntiFreze
So my fiance finally quit wow, and I took her 70 resto druid. the druid is SSC/TK ready, however, I think im going to go pvp with her. I started to do some BGs to earn the cheap cheap trinket.

How do you heal in a BG? I was using the shift+v to see close members. I always managed to be the #1 healer in the 3 BGs I did (2 eots, 1 AB). are there good mods for pvp resto druids? I was using raid style healing in tree form mostly - regen + swiftmend, regen, lifebloomx3, regen, regrowth, natures swiftness + healing touch....

is there a better strat?

I wouldn't be sitting there in Tree of Slow form. You most likely have a heavy resto raid healing build, which doesn't provide the versatility of a build like where you have Feral Charge and Nature's Grasp. Just roll the hots, baby... just roll the hots.

I use Grid for PVE and I also use it for healing in PVP.
 
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