The AT World of Warcraft Thread (Where do you play) and general BS

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: AntiFreze
so confusing. I need an EJ roguecraft for PVP.

is shiv or hemo better, when do you use ghostly strike, should I CC + DPS healer, or just CC and FF a squishy.

Arena is tough when you are used to raiding as a rogue for the past 3 years.

You might want to stick to 2v2 until you get a little more experienced. There's a lot less going on, so it's a little easier to learn how to throw good CC chains, when to blow your cooldowns, etc. If you really want to get into theorycrafting of matchups and builds try arenajunkies.com

and when you vanish -> sap, arent they still in combat so the sap wont work?

If you blind them first, they'll drop out of combat before the blind ends.

 

[nanobreath]

Heroic dungeons to me are easy enough right now. My characters aren't crazy geared either. Crafter gear, some kara level, and even greens that are neigh impossible to replace outside of raids.

I'd prefer to see dungeons like they are done in BC with them split into multiple instances. Each one can take 30mins to an hour to complete. If you did the whole thing it would take 3 hours+. BRD was just madness. That place was just so massive. People would still just run the section they needed, it just made it difficult to find a group.
LFM, BRD princess run. -> "ill hlp u if u do windsor to"

For some reason if its the same instance people think you can do everything in one run, by spliting it up blizz provided clear boundaries that people can follow when forming groups.

 

[ViviTheMage]

I have a guild on emerald dream if anyone wants to join up...guild tabard, vent, etc.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: Malladine
Sorry what's EJ? I almost know what that means...lol

I just respecced to 31/30/0 for 2h 5/5 flurry/ms, see how that works! My dps was lacking I felt. I just did BM with a lock, mage and me dpsing and i came in at 22% of the overall damage done. Unacceptable, since they certainly didn't have a gear advantage.

I agree on S2, it's just i'd like a change of pace if there is other comparable gear out there. I have 2/5 S1, 2/5 S2 and other stuff, like Lionheart Champion (1st stage). I'm currently farming fire and water to get the mats for flamebane gloves, which is the only damn orange receipe i have to get my BS up!

reposting this for Aikouka

 

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: Malladine
Sorry what's EJ? I almost know what that means...lol

I just respecced to 31/30/0 for 2h 5/5 flurry/ms, see how that works! My dps was lacking I felt. I just did BM with a lock, mage and me dpsing and i came in at 22% of the overall damage done. Unacceptable, since they certainly didn't have a gear advantage.

I agree on S2, it's just i'd like a change of pace if there is other comparable gear out there. I have 2/5 S1, 2/5 S2 and other stuff, like Lionheart Champion (1st stage). I'm currently farming fire and water to get the mats for flamebane gloves, which is the only damn orange receipe i have to get my BS up!

reposting this for Aikouka

EJ = elitist jerks. It's a guild with a really good forum (trolls are quickly banned) where you can find a lot of tools to help pick out gear and builds.

 

[Malladine]

hmm cool, thanks. I always avoided it because of the jerk part. I've known ppl like that and mostly found them to be pedantic more than actually helpful.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Malladine
hmm cool, thanks. I always avoided it because of the jerk part. I've known ppl like that and mostly found them to be pedantic more than actually helpful.

Just be cautious when posting on those forums if you feel the need to do so. All of the info you need is already there and most will be easy to find anyways. The EJ people do tend to take the game very seriously which means they most likely are concerned with details at a level that you could care less about. That can sometimes become conflicting in conversation over the internet.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Malladine
Sorry what's EJ? I almost know what that means...lol

Elitist Jerks. www.elitistjerks.com They have a good forums where you can read all about how to DPS, Heal, Cast, etc. It's theorycraftin' to the max!

Originally posted by: Malladine
I just respecced to 31/30/0 for 2h 5/5 flurry/ms, see how that works! My dps was lacking I felt. I just did BM with a lock, mage and me dpsing and i came in at 22% of the overall damage done. Unacceptable, since they certainly didn't have a gear advantage.

An arms warrior's job in an instance is to put up Blood Frenzy (increases all physical damage done to the bleeding target by 4%.. this means rogues, warriors, enhancement shamans, protadins, retadins and hunters) on the boss. You currently do not have this, which makes you not nearly as worthwhile as a fury warrior that can typically output more DPS. Also, what's your build like in Fury? Do you have Improved Slam? I understand why you want flurry and I can't blame you for getting it (it's a great talent), but Blood Frenzy is pretty much necessary. Also, do you use Slam? If so, do you make sure to time it so it won't get in the way of your auto-attack?

Originally posted by: rh71
Still need to figure out a good rotation for stuns and gaining combo points in the best way. Need to learn when to use Ghostly Strike. Not sure if I'm supposed to use premeditation on every fight. I guess with subt I have to pick my fights? It feels like a whole new game rather than just SS spam.

Full Sub gives you a lot of control over the fight. The tactic that ggnl mentioned works pretty well and can actually be used even if you're not a rogue. It's all about getting them to become vulnerable and have no escape options. You use Ghostly Strike when you want to dodge. Anything that's physical in nature you will want to dodge on (even hunters if you're that close, you want to try to avoid wing clip).

Originally posted by: AntiFreze
is shiv or hemo better, when do you use ghostly strike, should I CC + DPS healer, or just CC and FF a squishy.

Shiv if you want the poison on them.

Originally posted by: AntiFreze
and when you vanish -> sap, arent they still in combat so the sap wont work?

Not if you're the only reason they're in combat. Although I could be remembering incorrectly as I rarely play my rogue anymore... poor guy .

Originally posted by: Anubis
im serious I rather have more 5 mans like BRD then the 30 min zerg crapfests like we have now

BRD is a horrible instance... I have many, many bad memories of that place as it's right up there with Gnomeregan as one of the worst vanilla WoW instances. The amount that you can do in the instance is nice, but the fact of the matter is, there's too much to do. It doesn't support the casual nature while also being viable for the hardcore.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: Malladine
Sorry what's EJ? I almost know what that means...lol

Elitist Jerks. www.elitistjerks.com They have a good forums where you can read all about how to DPS, Heal, Cast, etc. It's theorycraftin' to the max!

Originally posted by: Malladine
I just respecced to 31/30/0 for 2h 5/5 flurry/ms, see how that works! My dps was lacking I felt. I just did BM with a lock, mage and me dpsing and i came in at 22% of the overall damage done. Unacceptable, since they certainly didn't have a gear advantage.

An arms warrior's job in an instance is to put up Blood Frenzy (increases all physical damage done to the bleeding target by 4%.. this means rogues, warriors, enhancement shamans, protadins, retadins and hunters) on the boss. You currently do not have this, which makes you not nearly as worthwhile as a fury warrior that can typically output more DPS. Also, what's your build like in Fury? Do you have Improved Slam? I understand why you want flurry and I can't blame you for getting it (it's a great talent), but Blood Frenzy is pretty much necessary. Also, do you use Slam? If so, do you make sure to time it so it won't get in the way of your auto-attack?

Hmm...you're right, i don't have that. I didn't consider the assistance that would provide other melee dps. Damn. 3/5 flurry then i guess?? Or no flurry, imp slam instead? I have 2/2 execute, 5/5 flurry, no slam since i was thinking with flurry i can get more rage to pop MS when needed and rely on white damage as usual.

I did have imp. slam and i was timing it after autoattack. AA -> Slam -> AA -> slam -> MS with the extra rage -> AA -> slam, that kinda thing. Slam basically resets the AA timer right?

very tempted to go back to fury at this point
except my +hit in fury is only 113 or so. My weapons are alright though (vindicator's brand/stellaris with +20str +20agi).

 

[AntiFreze]

Originally posted by: ggnl

Originally posted by: AntiFreze
so confusing. I need an EJ roguecraft for PVP.

is shiv or hemo better, when do you use ghostly strike, should I CC + DPS healer, or just CC and FF a squishy.

Arena is tough when you are used to raiding as a rogue for the past 3 years.

You might want to stick to 2v2 until you get a little more experienced. There's a lot less going on, so it's a little easier to learn how to throw good CC chains, when to blow your cooldowns, etc. If you really want to get into theorycrafting of matchups and builds try arenajunkies.com

and when you vanish -> sap, arent they still in combat so the sap wont work?

If you blind them first, they'll drop out of combat before the blind ends.

ahhh, that makes sense. and thanks for the link. I have a good 3v3 team so I'll stick with that for now. we went 5-5 last night (should of been 6-4, but the enter battle button didnt pop for our warrior so we had to leave).

I'm still learning, and cheat death is the most amazing thing ever btw.

 

[nanobreath]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

BRD is a horrible instance... I have many, many bad memories of that place as it's right up there with Gnomeregan as one of the worst vanilla WoW instances. The amount that you can do in the instance is nice, but the fact of the matter is, there's too much to do. It doesn't support the casual nature while also being viable for the hardcore.

Hahah, those are the two instances I hate the most too. Since leveling my first toon, I haven't set foot into gnomer again. I HATED IT. This was within the first month or so of wow though, and gnomer was absolutely terrible place. I dont' even think about it as a place to go when leveling.

Havent gone in BRD since the days of MC attunments. I wonder if I can still remember the shortcut route to MC attunement. You know, all the lava jumping. To this day when i'm swimming I cannot help but jump over and over and over again, AND I BLAME YOU BRD.

 

[Aikouka]

Man, last night was a bit annoying. At first, my WoW install became corrupted and I got an error 134 whenever I logged in (it seems certain characters had problems) and I ended up redoing some of my addons. Such a huge waste of time =\. Then I was playing and wanted to go on my Paladin real quick to look at his Blacksmithing and then whenever I clicked on him, the game crashed with an error 134. I quit off my warrior, and ran the Blizzard fix tool and it worked fine after that... but this might not be a good sign :x.

I did finally get my enchanting up to 350 though! But now it seems I need the adamantite rod and my Paladin's Blacksmithing is only 300 (hence why I wanted to go on him ), so I'll wait as I'd rather help my own characters out. I only need it for a few recipes anyway (like +40 spell damage). I might have to run one more Botanica so I can get revered with Sha'tar. Only 1000 away from it right now and maybe if I'm really lucky, the Whitemend pattern will drop .

Originally posted by: Malladine
Hmm...you're right, i don't have that. I didn't consider the assistance that would provide other melee dps. Damn. 3/5 flurry then i guess?? Or no flurry, imp slam instead? I have 2/2 execute, 5/5 flurry, no slam since i was thinking with flurry i can get more rage to pop MS when needed and rely on white damage as usual.

The usual reason to grab Imp Slam is because it'll make things a bit less "tight" for fitting in between your auto attacks.

Here's what you'll want for a build: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LG0tzAboxMdZVx0V0gRc

Personally, I've always read that they want fury warriors to use thunderclap on bosses, but you know... I've never understood that. In every prot build I design, I always have imp thunder clap (the +5 to parry is great as it is, so it's only 2 more). Unless they consider wasting a GCD on Thunder Clap hurts TPS too much...?

Originally posted by: Malladine
I did have imp. slam and i was timing it after autoattack. AA -> Slam -> AA -> slam -> MS with the extra rage -> AA -> slam, that kinda thing. Slam basically resets the AA timer right?

Yeah, Slam will reset your auto attack timer when you use it. You may want to get the Quartz add-on as it will show your auto-attack timer as a little bar. The animations are a bit different than when the AA actually goes off as if I remember correctly, you want to hit Slam right when you start swinging.

Originally posted by: Malladine
very tempted to go back to fury at this point
except my +hit in fury is only 113 or so. My weapons are alright though (vindicator's brand/stellaris with +20str +20agi).

113 should be fine as you only need 6% as long as you have Precision (gives 3%) as the magical number for raiding as a warrior is 9%... which is the raid hit cap for yellow damage. At that point, hit becomes a bit more equal to crit and strength.

I still don't know whether I want to go fury or not. Personally my build isn't designed as an Arms PVE warrior as I have tactical mastery, which means no Flurry (and also no Blood Frenzy as I have Second Wind).

EDIT:

Originally posted by: nanobreath
Havent gone in BRD since the days of MC attunments. I wonder if I can still remember the shortcut route to MC attunement. You know, all the lava jumping. To this day when i'm swimming I cannot help but jump over and over and over again, AND I BLAME YOU BRD.

It's not too bad... go in the instance, take a left, take a right, go through the Shadowforge Door, go up the stairs, run through all the dwarves and jump out the first window on the right. Jump down onto the bridge and avoid the dwarves. Line yourself up to the middle and run down past the fire elementals. The last two will aggro (at 60). Jump down on the left side and walk up onto the ledge. Keep going in front of you and eventually you hit a dead end where above you is Ambassador Flamelash. Swim through the lava (and avoid the fire elemental!!!) to get to the island. Stay on the far end of the island to avoid aggro and head to the slope on the other side. Hope you have a way to not die to the 6 fire elementals above and you're golden .

Yeaaah I remember all that waaaay too fluidly. As a rogue, I didn't do that and I actually just snuck to Ambassador Flamelash's room and did a sprinting jump off the ledge there as it puts you further out into the lava making the "swim" easier.

I thought the Ony attunement was the worst part though.

 

[rh71]

how are the arenas right now? I wanted to wait a bit so all the real 2000+ teams aren't still low at the starting point.

Also, if we happen to lose a lot, is there any way to reset personal rating or would we be stuck with it for the entire season? Kinda reserved about picking my partner because of this.

 

[yuppiejr]

Originally posted by: rh71
I'm actually leveling my warrior @ 64 right now. Coming from rogue / lock, the warrior is a ton harder. Every 2 mobs he has to eat / bandage. Running away in an "oh sh!t" situation means defensive stance and shield wall if you have it. Regardless, the length of time per mob sucks, even as fury and two 1Hs (slow MH, fast OH). I basically do berserker rage, rampage, bloodthirst, whirlwind combos for each mob. Am I doing something wrong?

EDIT>> THe leveling guide posted above shows the OH should be a slow (~2.6) weapon as well. Why is that? Just want big crits/hits? I thought a fast OH would help build rage better.

Well, I'm level 69 with my Fury warrior and the best advice gear-wise I can give is pick up 4 (if not all 5) bits of the crafted Fel Iron plate armor in the AH as soon as you can wear it AND a PAIR of Legion Axes. If you can afford to get them enchanted, go for it - I'm running mine unbuffed as this is my primary and I'm trying to jump into an epic mount at 70 by hoarding all of my cash. I've also stacked +HIT and some +CRIT on quest rewards and AH rings to take advantage of the Impale bonus. (17/44/0 build)

Typically I'll open with a charge, thunderclap/DS then jump to Zerk, Bloodrage, white hit until I can get Rampage up and then rotate BT/WW/HS (when rage is high). As soon as I kill something I'm intercepting the next MOB, opening with Victory Strike and then going right into the Zerk stance rotation. Just make sure you keep Rampage and Battle Shout up until you absolutely have to rest and then eat/bandage and start over. I have found that a surplus of netherweave is a good thing since it's much faster to bandage and get back in the fight without losing a ton of Rage or Rampage charges versus a cold start after eating.

I had a full health lvl 68 rogue jump me at 60% health while I was finishing off a mob and died with the rogue at no visible health when I expired (I fat fingered the pot hotkey - which sucks). I'm not sure which of us was more surprised but he wasn't around when I rezzed... and I suck at PVP. The burst damage capabilities of a smartly geared/build fury warrior once you get into the rhythm is pretty amazing.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: yuppiejr
The burst damage capabilities of a smartly geared/build fury warrior once you get into the rhythm is pretty amazing.

yep...i levelled my warrior 1-70 as fury, and 90% of the time at 70 Fury as well...I miss it

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: yuppiejr
Well, I'm level 69 with my Fury warrior and the best advice gear-wise I can give is pick up 4 (if not all 5) bits of the crafted Fel Iron plate armor in the AH as soon as you can wear it AND a PAIR of Legion Axes. If you can afford to get them enchanted, go for it - I'm running mine unbuffed as this is my primary and I'm trying to jump into an epic mount at 70 by hoarding all of my cash. I've also stacked +HIT and some +CRIT on quest rewards and AH rings to take advantage of the Impale bonus. (17/44/0 build)

It's actually really easy to get +hit. I wasn't even trying and my warrior has +10% hit (without precision) from mere quest items! It's kind of worthless as an Arms warrior (but I haven't done much to gear him until now) that's not doing raids, but it is funny when something uses a -hit on me and it doesn't really affect me. Like the banshees in EPL. I just kind of laugh at them.

Originally posted by: yuppiejr
I had a full health lvl 68 rogue jump me at 60% health while I was finishing off a mob and died with the rogue at no visible health when I expired (I fat fingered the pot hotkey - which sucks). I'm not sure which of us was more surprised but he wasn't around when I rezzed... and I suck at PVP. The burst damage capabilities of a smartly geared/build fury warrior once you get into the rhythm is pretty amazing.

Silly rogue... you don't jump a warrior with lots of rage . Did you use an Int Shout?

 

[Malladine]

yeah I think i'm just being stubborn with Arms. I made the lionheart champion and went arms just to do arena, it was pretty expensive for me...

I always did well in BGs as Fury.

thanks for the heads up on Quartz, might try that.

 

[nanobreath]

I love quartz. One of those addson I cannot live without now. Lag meter on casters, swing timers on melee. Very Very nice.

I did arena's last night. We have been hovering around 1500-1550 while gearing up...and we did exactly the same last night as in season 3. It might be a bit worse when you get above 1600 when you get to groups that win their way up outta the starting bracket.

 

[Aikouka]

Ohh I finally had the Scythe and Enchanting pattern drop on Ahune last night... and I didn't win either . We had this Paladin tank come in to replace a druid tank that had to go... holy shit, that Paladin tank took sooooo much damage. He was seriously as "hard" to heal as the time I had a fury warrior tank and he dual-wielded to "tank."

I think he may've taken a lot of damage because he never moved for the spikes and neither did the rogues ~_~. I only got hit by one and I thought I was going to miss it and I would've definitely missed it but I really wanted to get that heal off . Dang warlock got the staff and then rolled for the enchanting thing :Q! Let the poor dorf get some goods too .

EDIT:

Best part about this weekend is... it's AV weekend! With Friday off, that's tons of honor!

 

[nanobreath]

Ummmm battleground weekends no longer give 2x honor. All you get is a small amount for finishing the BG (and 2x the rep...but who the hell needs rep). Like 50 honor or so. Gone are the days of 20k honor on an av weekend.

 

[rh71]

It's been +84 honor for a while now for completing AV... still helps a lot if you do like 3 or 4 an hour. My PVE realm's queue times are stupid slow though. PVP realms ftw.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: nanobreath
Ummmm battleground weekends no longer give 2x honor. All you get is a small amount for finishing the BG (and 2x the rep...but who the hell needs rep). Like 50 honor or so. Gone are the days of 20k honor on an av weekend.

Like Rh said, it's 84 honor just for completing AV (the formula is actually 4x kill honor, which for a full kill of an enemy player, you get 21 honor... hence the 84). Combine that with the 0-2 minute queues on AV in the Rampage battlegroup and again combine that with the fact that our games only last 15 minutes and we only get maybe 350 honor per... another 80-ish honor is a nice bonus. Sure, it isn't as good as the old 2x honor... I remember people saying "wait wait! wait until midnight to kill that guy!" :laugh:. The real reason I mentioned it is having Friday off for the Fourth of July as that gives me another day of PVP.

I need quite a lot of honor if I want to buy the gear I'm looking to get on my Warrior, Shaman and Mage. The warrior needs all of Season 2 but the helm, then he needs the non-set epics and a weapon (or two if I decide to go fury, which costs more because S4 introduced the cheap slow off-hand only weapons so with S2 I have to pay 36000 honor combined rather than 27000 for a 2H'r). I prefer not to deck myself out with PVP gear as I frown upon people gearing via PVP for PVE in some cases, but the fact that itemization is absolutely poor in Karazhan for dps plate is reason enough for me. I could just go for leather, which I checked and it was comparable to S2, but since I do dailies and such, I'd prefer having the high armor.

My shaman needs 2 new weapons (another 36000 honor ... after I spent 18000 on the stupid crappy blue weapon before Blizzard put S1 up for sale) and maybe a non-set epic or two. His gear isn't horrible, but a couple pieces could use replacing and I'll see a huge DPS increase going from 2x 71dps weapon to 2x 97dps weapon.

My mage... I just want to get the S2 staff on him. I've ran Botanica a ton of times trying to get the staff of Warp Splinter and it just hasn't dropped yet. I do also need Sha'tar rep on him, so it's not horrible for me to keep running it, but it's a bit tiresome =\.

I might think about picking up the weapon my priest to avoid having to go for the weapon off Prince.

With all this... I am going to be quite busy. I might also start playing two characters in AV again . I did this for awhile on my Shaman and Mage, but it was so mentally draining when the characters weren't with each other and the fact that they're completely separate classes. It is great for honor though as you do gain twice as much honor in the same span of time .

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: rh71
how are the arenas right now? I wanted to wait a bit so all the real 2000+ teams aren't still low at the starting point.

Also, if we happen to lose a lot, is there any way to reset personal rating or would we be stuck with it for the entire season? Kinda reserved about picking my partner because of this.

You have a different personal rating for each bracket and these can be reset to 1500 by simply by joining a team. You can even leave your own team and rejoin it and you're pr will still reset to 1500.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
I prefer not to deck myself out with PVP gear as I frown upon people gearing via PVP for PVE in some cases, but the fact that itemization is absolutely poor in Karazhan for dps plate is reason enough for me. I could just go for leather, which I checked and it was comparable to S2, but since I do dailies and such, I'd prefer having the high armor.

Really? Why's that? And yeah, plate dps is disappointing in Kara. I think Blizz went through a stage of trying to force more warriors to turn Protection. Instead they've decided to change heroics to not need Prot warriors as much fine with me!

Never tried leather/mail dps gear...that's an idea. Warrior armour is still needed in raids though right, since i won't have the avoidance a rogue does won't I just get crushed...

BTW i went back to Fury, 17/44/0. Only tested it for a while but I was up in the 500s against the same mobs. Seems fairly comparable with the 31/30 arms build so far
Bah, oh well. I'm on vacation to England in 2 days, for 2 weeks, so i'll have to see how things are when i get back!

 

[lupi]

I won't be able to watch the vid till I get home, but found thid interesting one linked from the main wow forum. Apperantly it is an uber geared rogue whom has a bunch of attack speed buffs triggered and at one point is fighting with an attack speed of 16 swings per second. Don't think any amount of resilance would help with that.



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