The AT Battlefield 4 F.A.Q., News, and Discussion thread

[smackababy]

The A-10 is a flying bathtub. You are literally surrounded by armor. Haven't you seen the videos and pictures of all the A-10s shot to hell and still making it back somehow? Now I don't think missile strikes should bounce off if that's what you meant. I was talking more about taking fire from other weaponry.

The A-10 can take fire, but I don't think we've actually had a Battlefield-esque engagement with them yet. They aren't much more than a flying 30mm machine gun with an armor cockpit. We've seen a few take some AA gun fire, but nothing like what we do in BF4. Multiple 30mm guns and AA rockets would rip it apart (just not as fast as other things). I don't really have a problem with the A-10 in game though. It is the durability of armored ground vehicles and helicopters that annoy me the most.

 

[smackababy]

And hardcore should cause kickback damage to shit snipers every time they miss. The one fault of HC is that it makes everything even easier for them lol.

I always joke that only the most skilled snipers play hardcore. I can't count the amount of times I've simply run in a straight line and avoided some scrubby sniper with a DMR. Hearing the shots around me while I sprint is nice. Just sucks when some Scout Elite gets me in the leg and I die...

 

[LtMikePowelll]

The A-10 is a flying bathtub. You are literally surrounded by armor. Haven't you seen the videos and pictures of all the A-10s shot to hell and still making it back somehow? Now I don't think missile strikes should bounce off if that's what you meant. I was talking more about taking fire from other weaponry.



Yeah the specialty anti tank weapons designed to kill tanks and mobile armor are worthless.

Seeing how worthless the AT weapons are make me not want to grind all the points for engineer and get the fgm 172 sraw.

 

[FredNotFound404]

I find Recon the Best Kit for HC, you have the PDL witch is an amazing tool to spot enemies since you don't have a map, but yes tends to be OP, once in a while I chain 5-6 kills in seconds, when I find a group that hasn't seen me yet. Also in some maps HC can ruin the fun because of that, I'v been in a obliteration match that had at least 40% of the teams as Recon camping on roof tops and what not, was just amazingly bad and boring.

 

[QuantumPion]

Seeing how worthless the AT weapons are make me not want to grind all the points for engineer and get the fgm 172 sraw.

I ranked up engineer just for the guns. The SRAW and Javelin aren't much better than the LAW. Yeah they do lock, but with the lag and tank defenses they miss half the time anyway and you are way more likely to die sitting out in the open holding the lock. And they don't appear to do any more damage. Maybe 33 instead of 25 but try getting off 3 lock on missiles sitting out in the open... you are gonna die lol.

 

[Nintendesert]

The A-10 can take fire, but I don't think we've actually had a Battlefield-esque engagement with them yet. They aren't much more than a flying 30mm machine gun with an armor cockpit. We've seen a few take some AA gun fire, but nothing like what we do in BF4. Multiple 30mm guns and AA rockets would rip it apart (just not as fast as other things). I don't really have a problem with the A-10 in game though. It is the durability of armored ground vehicles and helicopters that annoy me the most.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BecNTYPYbU


A-10 with 378 holes in it. Ordanance took 45-50 holes in it from AA fire and a SAM on top of that. Engine took 45 hits, the other 15. Pretty crazy, I can't find the picture of the hole in the wing caused by a rocket I saw years ago, maybe someone else can find it.

Now, that's really not all that relevant to your real point, which is Battlefield really turns into a game of infantry-rape by vehicles. It's one of the things that annoyed me the most about the series, Anti-vehicle weapons don't do enough damage. Also, due to how much vehicles dominate a map, I feel compelled each game to only play engineers to try and combat it. I can't do infantry battles and enjoy it because there will be a helicopter or tank rolling in raping everyone. It gets exhausting and frustrating and it's why I still haven't bought BF4. It takes a long time for DICE to balance it out.

Let's not talk about CoD for infantry play, TotalBiscuit just took a huge poopoo on that. I guess I'll keep waiting for patches and a sale on BF4. :'(

 

[Childs]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BecNTYPYbU


A-10 with 378 holes in it. Ordanance took 45-50 holes in it from AA fire and a SAM on top of that. Engine took 45 hits, the other 15. Pretty crazy, I can't find the picture of the hole in the wing caused by a rocket I saw years ago, maybe someone else can find it.

Now, that's really not all that relevant to your real point, which is Battlefield really turns into a game of infantry-rape by vehicles. It's one of the things that annoyed me the most about the series, Anti-vehicle weapons don't do enough damage. Also, due to how much vehicles dominate a map, I feel compelled each game to only play engineers to try and combat it. I can't do infantry battles and enjoy it because there will be a helicopter or tank rolling in raping everyone. It gets exhausting and frustrating and it's why I still haven't bought BF4. It takes a long time for DICE to balance it out.

Let's not talk about CoD for infantry play, TotalBiscuit just took a huge poopoo on that. I guess I'll keep waiting for patches and a sale on BF4. :'(

You can play Domination, which is infantry only Conquest on smaller maps.

 

[Regs]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BecNTYPYbU


A-10 with 378 holes in it. Ordanance took 45-50 holes in it from AA fire and a SAM on top of that. Engine took 45 hits, the other 15. Pretty crazy, I can't find the picture of the hole in the wing caused by a rocket I saw years ago, maybe someone else can find it.

Now, that's really not all that relevant to your real point, which is Battlefield really turns into a game of infantry-rape by vehicles. It's one of the things that annoyed me the most about the series, Anti-vehicle weapons don't do enough damage. Also, due to how much vehicles dominate a map, I feel compelled each game to only play engineers to try and combat it. I can't do infantry battles and enjoy it because there will be a helicopter or tank rolling in raping everyone. It gets exhausting and frustrating and it's why I still haven't bought BF4. It takes a long time for DICE to balance it out.

Let's not talk about CoD for infantry play, TotalBiscuit just took a huge poopoo on that. I guess I'll keep waiting for patches and a sale on BF4. :'(

TotalBiscuit is a fan of COD and he hates the new iteration which should raise some red flags. I agree with the vehicle rape on BF4 though. Bad Company II was the last BF I actually enjoyed. BF3 just made me feel bewildered with my spitwad bazooka and my AN64 that would recoil up into the sky (and would also miss the air planes doing so).

The bullet drag and drop was not added for realism, it was added for balance because the maps are so damn big that long range rifles would be the only thing people would use. There is nothing realistic about BF games and anyone who tries to bring that up is only fooling themselves.

 

[smackababy]

I don't have a problem with vehicles being in the game, nor them being so powerful. I just have a problem with them auto healing, being able to take 4 RPGs to the back, and have zero drawbacks.

 

[Anteaus]

I don't have a problem with vehicles being in the game, nor them being so powerful. I just have a problem with them auto healing, being able to take 4 RPGs to the back, and have zero drawbacks.

Agreed. They don't necessarily have to make them paper thin, but they should build in consequences. For example, one hit shouldn't take a chopper out, but it should greatly diminish it's handling characteristics or possible take some of the weapons offline. Maybe it can't go as fast. The point is that the aircraft can be strong while at the same time building in balance. If they take a hit and then have to run home to repair to run optimal, then it at least buys some time for the boots on the ground. If weapon accuracy is affected by movement, then they can make a chopper much harder to fly if it has damage, therefore becoming increasingly vulnerable for a kill shot.

Similar with tanks. Yes they should be strong and I have no problem with them taking 3-4 hits head on while degrading systems, but I think two shots in the rear should kill it. Yes tanks are tough, but combat in BF4 is already quite unrealistic so suspending a bit more disbelief in the name of balance is reasonable.

Any vehicle self healing should be removed from the game. That's why we have the engineer class.

 

[Nintendesert]

I don't have a problem with vehicles being in the game, nor them being so powerful. I just have a problem with them auto healing, being able to take 4 RPGs to the back, and have zero drawbacks.

This drives me nuts, not sure why it was added. What's the point of being an engineer and repairing a vehicle if the vehicle can just disengage for a bit and heal up that way. It was a heck of a buff for a gameplay type not really hurting.

 

[gregulator]

I am having a miserable time with this game.. all I do is die. Maybe I am just getting too old for this crap (and slow), but I feel like everyone has some sort of advantage over me. Funny enough, I think I do better on HC, less things to look at in the HUD, and if I do happen on someone and can aim fast enough I can get the kill. Is ARMA where the slow people go to die?

FRUSTRATED!!!

 

[DeadFred]

I've hit 2 helicopters with an RPG and neither 'asploded. I have killed some in one hit though, so maybe I just got unlucky twice? Each time it disabled it, but no kill, no explosion.

Im fairly certain every one Ive hit with an RPG has "asploded", maybe they had already taken a bit of damage, I dunno.

I agree about stingers, but I disagree about the IGLA. They are amazing at disabling rotors. If you have a 2 person IGLA crew, the air will be yours.

I havent had much luck of actually "killing" a helo with anything other than the RPG. The other day when I spawned in on you while after that transport choppper I was using the IGLA, (even though I called it a stinger in the earlier post, as I thought they were basically the same) and hit it twice on top of whatever damage you had previously inflicted before it went up in flames. But when there's the possibility of having a couple of engineers in there repairing simultaneously its hard to tell how much damage you are doing.

 

[DeadFred]

I am having a miserable time with this game.. all I do is die. Maybe I am just getting too old for this crap (and slow), but I feel like everyone has some sort of advantage over me. Funny enough, I think I do better on HC, less things to look at in the HUD, and if I do happen on someone and can aim fast enough I can get the kill. Is ARMA where the slow people go to die?

FRUSTRATED!!!

Only if you want to die of frustration.

 

[Regs]

I am having a miserable time with this game.. all I do is die. Maybe I am just getting too old for this crap (and slow), but I feel like everyone has some sort of advantage over me. Funny enough, I think I do better on HC, less things to look at in the HUD, and if I do happen on someone and can aim fast enough I can get the kill. Is ARMA where the slow people go to die?

FRUSTRATED!!!

You could be just on a crap team/squad. Also, once you find your comfort zone with a good load-out that matches your style, you will click with it. Don't forget to adjust mouse options, and to shoot in bursts at medium to long range.

 

[Staples]

I am with the guy who says all he does is dies. I used to be able to break a 1-1 kd ratio most of the time in bf3. I'm lucky to get a 1-3 on this game. Usually I do worse than 1-5.

I think part of the problem is that I am usually an engineer and the two weapons I have so far suck. Hope I can eventually unlock decent weapons for this class.

 

[Childs]

I am with the guy who says all he does is dies. I used to be able to break a 1-1 kd ratio most of the time in bf3. I'm lucky to get a 1-3 on this game. Usually I do worse than 1-5.

I think part of the problem is that I am usually an engineer and the two weapons I have so far suck. Hope I can eventually unlock decent weapons for this class.

Go with the Carbines. The first carbine is decent, but what you really want is the ACW-R which is number 2. Then you can use that gun with any class and always have a fighting chance. Also, if you play SP and pick a specific ending, you can get the P90 and use it with the Engineer class.

 

[Anteaus]

I am having a miserable time with this game.. all I do is die. Maybe I am just getting too old for this crap (and slow), but I feel like everyone has some sort of advantage over me. Funny enough, I think I do better on HC, less things to look at in the HUD, and if I do happen on someone and can aim fast enough I can get the kill. Is ARMA where the slow people go to die?

FRUSTRATED!!!

You'll be ok just keep at it. Doing well in Battlefield has a lot to do with muscle memory and repetition. Use the training level.

First, part of the game is visual recognition, i.e. being able to quickly discern friend from foe. Second, understanding how to get maximum accuracy from your weapon. It's not enough to point your weapon, you need to stabilize yourself and control your fire. Few, accurate strikes will win 7-8 out of 10 times versus run and spray.

A basic move that every Battlefield player ends up learning one way or another is the stop/crouch/fire. Obviously stopping will get you killed sometimes, but remember that crouching increases accuracy so if you combine the stop and crouch with good weapon control and you will become far more competitive. The Expert players will still own a good bit of the time, but your kill rates will go up and you'll find that in total many players aren't as good as you really think they are. The catch is you need to learn to see them before they see you. This has been a fundamental technique for every Battlefield release. Train that pinky!

Running and gunning will become more viable once you upgrade your weapons. Don't think they can all pick up a vanilla weapon and do that. There are upgrades specifically designed to increase accuracy while moving.

Good luck!

 

[raasco]

Last night was 5-0 on servers. Tonight ive been trying to play for over an hour without success.

 

[raasco]

Check out this sweet battlereport. I joined at the end of the round. 11560 SPM, lol.

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/battlereport/show/1/397888647533227008/241819068/

 

[paul878]

I am having a miserable time with this game.. all I do is die. Maybe I am just getting too old for this crap (and slow), but I feel like everyone has some sort of advantage over me. Funny enough, I think I do better on HC, less things to look at in the HUD, and if I do happen on someone and can aim fast enough I can get the kill. Is ARMA where the slow people go to die?

FRUSTRATED!!!

I had the same problem as you, I haven't play fps online since Novalogic's Delta Force series. You just have keep on playing to get better at it. Don't run around like crazy, stay hidden, move from cover to cover, and stay in the shadow like Splinter Cell. Don't freak out when you are getting shot at and don't charge at you opponents. All it take is a burst at the head to make the kill. Don't spawn on your teammates if they are in an fire fight.

The good players usually run around with 3-4 friends, if you shoot at 1 of them they will see you on the mini map and all of them will come after you.

After a few days of playing I got a lot better at it, I can spot and aim much better. You just need to have practice practice and practice.

 

[LtMikePowelll]

There is a new update for Punkbuster http://www.evenbalance.com/?page=pbsetup.php

 

[Childs]

Check out this sweet battlereport. I joined at the end of the round. 11560 SPM, lol.

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/battlereport/show/1/397888647533227008/241819068/

It almost makes sense. You joined the winning team, got the ribbon, which got you the conquest medal. Did you have an xp booster enabled?

EDIT: On second thought, I dont see how you got to 1560. The person above you also got similar points, but people on the other team didn't get the same type of scores. Squad bonus maybe?

 

[raasco]

It almost makes sense. You joined the winning team, got the ribbon, which got you the conquest medal. Did you have an xp booster enabled?

EDIT: On second thought, I dont see how you got to 1560. The person above you also got similar points, but people on the other team didn't get the same type of scores. Squad bonus maybe?

Yea, not sure

 

[clamum]

And damn there's a lot of whining in this thread lately -- thought I was on the Battlelog forums for a second. When has there ever been a BF launch that wasn't like this during the first week or two? CTFD.

Haha, it seems typical of any game's release really. I read the same thing over and over for Battlefield 3 as well.

I don't get the "netcode is terrible" thing but I'm sure they have good developers working for them (DICE). It's not like they said, "let's add some unnecessary loops and checks here so we can introduce some lag for the fun of it." As a developer myself, I'll hold my opinion of their code-base until I see it.