The AT Battlefield 4 F.A.Q., News, and Discussion thread

[Anubis]

i suspect there will be other maps less plagued with 8 million people sitting on random buildings trying to snipe

pretty sure last night at least 20 people on my team were on them not really doing anything besides getting killed by the enemy chopper

 

[tential]

i suspect there will be other maps less plagued with 8 million people sitting on random buildings trying to snipe

pretty sure last night at least 20 people on my team were on them not really doing anything besides getting killed by the enemy chopper

Yup, this is why I'm wondering if I even want the game lol.

 

[taq8ojh]

The beta has one important effect on me: I will never play Shangai again in my life. I just hate it. Half the server is ALWAYS on rooftops, only this time it's not just snipers, lol.
Domination sort of works, though.

 

[dougp]

You may claim it doesn't, but I am constantly getting killed while behind cars or in corners because it explodes in the air just as it passes the corner of the thing I am behind.

If you are inside a door, off to the side, the guy just has to fire through the door and it will explode just as it passes through. Even if there is no wall for it to impact.

I use it quite a bit to take out people who prone behind walls or snipers on the roof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51zMlzHZuhI

There are plenty of youtube videos that say you're wrong, sorry.

 

[dougp]

The reason why you see so many people sniping is because they're trying to unlock the battle rifles.

 

[Childs]

The beta has one important effect on me: I will never play Shangai again in my life. I just hate it. Half the server is ALWAYS on rooftops, only this time it's not just snipers, lol.
Domination sort of works, though.

I pretty much only play Domination, and Shanghai isn't bad. I wish the cap points were a little more spread out though...having the rooftop on C being able to suppress 2 cap points is kinda lame. Even though my team is winning, I eventually get so annoyed at those rooftop campers that I waste a few lives getting up there and killing them.

 

[dougp]

I pretty much only play Domination, and Shanghai isn't bad. I wish the cap points were a little more spread out though...having the rooftop on C being able to suppress 2 cap points is kinda lame. Even though my team is winning, I eventually get so annoyed at those rooftop campers that I waste a few lives getting up there and killing them.

What sucks is they took out the "large" map for the smaller cap server. It's weird, just disappeared on Sunday ...

 

[moonbogg]

Would be awesome if you could actually pitch a tent. It could be like a gear item that you select. Imagine the greatness. An actual tent with a small flag sticking out that waves in the wind with the players name on it. I'd pitch that sucker on a Shanghai rooftop with great pride.

 

[smackababy]

The reason why you see so many people sniping is because they're trying to unlock the battle rifles.

Nah, I think it is because most people are far more concerned with K/D ratio and prefer to camp and snipe. BC2's Wookie Mountain is a good example. They don't help their team, they don't try and win, they just sit on that stupid slope (dressed as a bush) and try and snipe all game. Most end like 5/0 and are super proud of themselves.

 

[dougp]

Nah, I think it is because most people are far more concerned with K/D ratio and prefer to camp and snipe. BC2's Wookie Mountain is a good example. They don't help their team, they don't try and win, they just sit on that stupid slope (dressed as a bush) and try and snipe all game. Most end like 5/0 and are super proud of themselves.

Sniping doesn't increase K/D ratio unless you're really good. There's a lot of ways to counter it now, XM-25, vehicles, blind spots.

 

[chucky2]

It realistically just means he is a camping nooblet. 😛

JK, Ive played with Zarg and he's pretty good. <--- No homo :biggrin:

Haha! 🙂

I think this is important. Real life combat isn't plagued by jet rape (with no friendly fire, so they can just launch missiles and drop bombs all willy nilly). We don't need a ton of GtA missiles because we have air support if needed.

And if we want to talk about realism, we should stop letting everyone just throw grenades all the time, have 1 sniper for every 100000 players, completely remove health packs and defibrillators, and force everyone but only a select few to use an M4 or M16.

Well, I understand that BF isn't going to be perfectly realistic. I get it's a game and needs to attract players and thus have more options than in real life. I just don't think the air vs. infantry/ground is setup well in BF3. Have the fighters have more interaction in the cockpit to keep the entertained with finding their target on radar/IR, locking on, etc. Give them cluster bombs. Let them drop some napalm. But give them limited loadouts and more realistic damage and visual acuity. Make them have to have skill to actually land at a real airfield, make them wait for repairs at the airfield, and to rearm. The air experience could be such a more realistic and better air experience than it is in BF3. Better not just for true air operators but better for the game in general.

Chuck

 

[moonbogg]

Sniping doesn't increase K/D ratio unless you're really good. There's a lot of ways to counter it now, XM-25, vehicles, blind spots.

Snipers K/D ratio is generally average at best and they usually have low kills in any case, with the odd exception. But those exceptions are real.

 

[dougp]

Snipers K/D ratio is generally average at best and they usually have low kills in any case, with the odd exception. But those exceptions are real.

I don't disagree but there are exceptions in every case - look at pilots, or people with good twitch skills at CQB.

 

[smackababy]

Sniping doesn't increase K/D ratio unless you're really good. There's a lot of ways to counter it now, XM-25, vehicles, blind spots.

I'm not saying it does make it better, but plenty of people I've played BF3 with seem to think so. Staying 1000 yards away from the Rush point and trying to pick people off is a lot safer than going in guns ablaze. A lot of players would rather sit back, get less kills, and have many less deaths than go in and have to rely on their ability to react quickly to stay alive.

Any time I have more than 1 recon in my squad, I leave it. They offer no use in 90% of the games.

 

[Anubis]

the auto morter will help combat the roof wookies in the full game same with commander air strikes.

what im curious about is if server admins can turn off the ability to drop the building in shanghai, map is so much better with it up

 

[moonbogg]

I'm not saying it does make it better, but plenty of people I've played BF3 with seem to think so. Staying 1000 yards away from the Rush point and trying to pick people off is a lot safer than going in guns ablaze. A lot of players would rather sit back, get less kills, and have many less deaths than go in and have to rely on their ability to react quickly to stay alive.

Any time I have more than 1 recon in my squad, I leave it. They offer no use in 90% of the games.

Its really funny because i'll be sniping with a friend in the Oman towers, and then we start losing so I switch to assault and go ground pounding. When my friend stays up there and watches me do all the work, suddenly I start insulting him for being lazy and useless, but 5 minutes ago I was doing the same thing, watching my shiny K/D climb like crazy!

the auto morter will help combat the roof wookies in the full game same with commander air strikes.

what im curious about is if server admins can turn off the ability to drop the building in shanghai, map is so much better with it up

I'm really looking forward to the new challenges and dynamics that BF4 will bring to the table. And yes, Shanghai is a beautiful map until that stupid tower ruins it, but it sure looks cool going down. The ability to turn it off might be nice.

 

[DeadFred]

Any time I have more than 1 recon in my squad, I leave it. They offer no use in 90% of the games.

Not necessarily the case.

I like the fact that in BF4 I can play Recon with a carbine and C4 and be just as deadly as anyone on the battlefield against infantry and vehicles.

But I think I prefer BF3's class and weapon structure better, now I find myself using the ACR with every class except Assault. LOL

 

[Zargon]

If you've gone 10:1 on infantry only maps it means you're a legit good player or just sniping from afar. Is that realistic? As far as a game goes, sure.

Your last two sentences here aren't really keeping the nature of the game in mind though. In real life, we're not carrying GtA missles that much because the persistent air threat just doesn't justify having them. In real life, if there were as many persistent air threats as in game, you can bet we'd have a lot more anti-air resources.
In the game, unless they're going to make air vehicles spawn only at certain times, this isn't going to be the case. You destroy a F/A-18, another one pops up at the US base very quickly. That F/A-18 isn't 40 minutes away, it's 10 seconds away. Thus the in game levels of GtA should be inflated.

it wouldnt be tons because of how expensive they are, but I pretty much agree

forced landing for reload and repair would be awesome.

Add it to your server filter.

sweet

It realistically just means he is a camping nooblet. 😛

JK, Ive played with Zarg and he's pretty good. <--- No homo :biggrin:

sssh dont give away my secrets

I dont do it regularily, but once in a while I go on a nice run and get hackusations 🙂

 

[Zargon]

The XM25 arcs? I haven't really noticed it. Is it only slight? I know it doesn't curve like the GL.

I was thinking it did a little, but some videos make me say.....nope

 

[smackababy]

Not necessarily the case.

I like the fact that in BF4 I can play Recon with a carbine and C4 and be just as deadly as anyone on the battlefield against infantry and vehicles.

But I think I prefer BF3's class and weapon structure better, now I find myself using the ACR with every class except Assault. LOL

You can't possibly believe most recon play like that.

 

[Canbacon]

You can't possibly believe most recon play like that.

I for sure play my recon with the ACW-R or the AK5. I have the spotting tool and sensor balls and run with the squad. I'll run with C4 if I need to.

At the moment DMR's suck. No reason not to run with a carbine if you are running a recon in medium/short range.

 

[Anubis]

TBH i was running recon with C4, a carbine and the lock on tool this weekend, its an amazingly good combo and very team helpful in conquest

in Dom i swapped to motion balls. it almost felt like cheating

 

[Grooveriding]

I think Shanghai will be one of the maps I never play once the game is out and not because of it being the only beta map, just don't like it much.

 

[bob4432]

how much life a i5/2500 or i7/2600k still have in it for this game, mated w/ the rest of parts below, but 8GB? or should I just bite the bullet and go a haswell i5/i7 - 3x-4x?

currently obviously cpu limited, but not sure if i update how gpu limited i will be.....meh

yeah i am cheap and don't want to spend the $$ but when you hit 4-7fps flying, that is not playing....

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[dougp]

how much life a i5/2500 or i7/2600k still have in it for this game, mated w/ the rest of parts in sig, but 8GB? or should I just bite the bullet and go a haswell i5/i7 - 3x-4x?

currently obviously cpu limited, but not sure if i update how gpu limited i will be.....meh

yeah i am cheap and don't want to spend the $$ but when you hit 4-7fps flying, that is not playing....

There are no parts in your sig.