The anti-commemorative thread for September 11th, 2001

[UnemployedMay2001]

Perhaps another way of putting it is how it has been used to promote the Bush's agenda. I can of course cut and paste the speech from a few days back, and how Bush is linking Iraq to terrorism now. I think you do not need this though. You will also see that Bush is pushing for the right to bypass the judiciary among other things in the Patriot Act sequel. All being promoted this week. He is taking advantage of the event to justify and promote his agenda. He could do it another time, but it is to his advantage to use the emotions of people right now.

You have nailed it right on the head. Seems that for a few weeks after 9/11 every year now that Bush remains in office, he can use this time to try and push through more Patrioit acts. Read em folks, see what broad sweeping power your government wants to grab. Hey, there are even parts pertaining to guns if that sweatens the pot for any of the militia members on the board.

People wake up and do a little research into the policies of your champion. After reading both, if you can STILL not see how he whored those 3000 lives to suit his agenda, then there IS little hope for this country as I have assumed for a little under 3 years now.

 

[phillyTIM]

Originally posted by: EXman
Ha Ha alchemize you are right philly is the one who doesn't give 2 sh!ts about the 3,000 in NYC and 184 in DC Him bashing Bush furthers his own personal agenda.

If you think a couple of you loud-mouth neocons speak for the majority of us around here and force your own conclusions on us, you are wrong.

I have suffered loss because of 9/11 and it's because I have, and see how Bush exploits that loss, that I speak out. My heart goes out to everyone that lost their lives, and their still-living loved ones, like you wouldn't believe.

But I can't rightly sit by and watch Bush use this for his own Political gain. He used their deaths already to initiate his wrongly-justified aggression against Iraq. He LIED about Hussein being connected to 9/11. And he used the 3,000 deaths here to cause not only over 3,000 unjustifiable deaths of Iraqi civilians (ok, he got an eye for a tooth), but also Bush's aggression has caused lively American servicemen/women to turn into corpses for his Political motives. Bush STILL hasn't got a damn thing he was after in Iraq, as he caused the deaths of thousands--with more to come to be sure.

And THAT is severly unforgiveable. Unfortunately Americans are too fvcked up with tryin to keep their own jobs or trying to find jobs (thanks to bush's piss-ass-poor running of the economy) to really learn about what's really going on, and fight against it.

I just hope they really wake up to this next year, when he ONCE AGAIN exploits those dead americans by launching his reelection campaign on 9/11--cuz just the thought of him doing this is sickening.

I do not have to justify my credentials to you, but just believe that I have one of the most open, rational minds around here. And from everything I've gathered, in this deck of cards, Bush is definately coming up as "JOKER". And I don't give a damn what you or your neocon friends think around here, or how hard you try to force your right-wing agenda around here. Deal with it.

EDIT: It's been pointed out to me that over 10,000 Iraqi deaths have been caused by Bush's aggression. I apologize for not having the correct numbers earlier in my post. But not as horrible mistake when compared to 3,000+ american deaths for over 10,000 iraqi ones caused by america.

When Bush stops using their deaths for his Political agenda, then so will I stop holding Bush to task.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM

Originally posted by: EXman
Ha Ha alchemize you are right philly is the one who doesn't give 2 sh!ts about the 3,000 in NYC and 184 in DC Him bashing Bush furthers his own personal agenda.

If you think a couple of you loud-mouth neocons speak for the majority of us around here and force your own conclusions on us, you are wrong.

I have suffered loss because of 9/11 and it's because I have, and see how Bush exploits that loss, that I speak out. My heart goes out to everyone that lost their lives, and their still-living loved ones, like you wouldn't believe.

But I can't rightly sit by and watch Bush use this for his own Political gain. He used their deaths already to initiate his wrongly-justified aggression against Iraq. He LIED about Hussein being connected to 9/11. And he used the 3,000 deaths here to cause not only over 3,000 unjustifiable deaths of Iraqi civilians (ok, he got an eye for a tooth), but also Bush's aggression has caused lively American servicemen/women to turn into corpses for his Political motives. Bush STILL hasn't got a damn thing he was after in Iraq, as he caused the deaths of thousands--with more to come to be sure.

And THAT is severly unforgiveable. Unfortunately Americans are too fvcked up with tryin to keep their own jobs or trying to find jobs (thanks to bush's piss-ass-poor running of the economy) to really learn about what's really going on, and fight against it.

I just hope they really wake up to this next year, when he ONCE AGAIN exploits those dead americans by launching his reelection campaign on 9/11--cuz just the thought of him doing this is sickening.

I do not have to justify my credentials to you, but just believe that I have one of the most open, rational minds around here. And from everything I've gathered, in this deck of cards, Bush is definately coming up as "JOKER". And I don't give a damn what you or your neocon friends think around here, or how hard you try to force your right-wing agenda around here. Deal with it.

Bullshit, you could care less about the 3000 dead. And you could definitely could care less about all the service men. You can't fool us.

KK

 

[phillyTIM]

Well now, I'm sure has hell glad to point out that I'm not nearly the only one who feels this way.

 

[EXman]

It's been pointed out to me that over 10,000 Iraqi deaths have been caused by Bush's aggression.

So Bush singled out captured, tortured and then murdered them on purpose? C'mon and Saddam's was in what the tens or hundreds of thousands if not a million (no one will ever know?)

and stop trying to hijak this thread to link it to yet another of your Hate threads I am not going to bother posting in your new threads it's a waste.

 

[phillyTIM]

The linked thread was not mine, but someone elses. And I could care less where you decide to post.

Back to the meat: the difference is that Saddam can do whatever the hell he wants in his country; while it may not be humane, it's his turf, not ours.

Bush IS the commander-in-chief of our armed forces, and directed the "shock and awe" bombing of Iraq, under false pretenses to his invasion. This damaged that country's infrastructure and caused the deaths of 10,000+ civilians, all in Bush's hate quest of Saddam and his thirst for capturing its oil. That's what makes this a travesty.

Consider your argument to be refuted.

 

[EXman]

Might as well be I do not distinguish between you and Captnphillytimkirk y'all are one and the same you should form a club...

Back to the meat: the difference is that Saddam can do whatever the hell he wants in his country; while it may not be humane, it's his turf, not ours.

wtf nice as long as it is them and not you? nice regard for life anyhow we were talking about you calling Bush as Bad as Hitler or Stalin or Saddam and now you say Saddam's tyranny was ok cause it is not in the U.S. ? So now Saddam is less evil than Bush?

make up your mind...

 

[phillyTIM]

This invasion WAS NOT predicated upon whether we thought Saddam was a nice boy to his people or not. The US has NO RIGHT to go force it's aggression on other cultures just because we don't aggree with them. And don't give me that human rights sh#t, that's UN business.

This invasion was predicated upon the IMMINENT THREAT of WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."45 minute" to terror on the US homeland with ROCK-SOLID evidence that Colin Powell could immediately PUT HIS FINGER ON.

We know now this is BOGUS, and has caused the UNNECESSARY death of 10,000's of Iraqis and hundreds of US troops. All on the false predication and bush's LIES. THAT is what makes this so bad. To defend the actions would be blatant, and unreasonably NATIONALISM.

THIS is NOT a mistake a COMPETANT leader of one of the World's biggest country's should ever make. But it was made by a trigger-happy old-warhawk REGIME, and we all are paying for it with our American blood and that of the Iraqis, whose life and infrastructure we destroyed.

We all know now that Saddam didn't prove to be a Terror threat to the US and that this was planned before Bush even got past the Supreme Court appointment him as President.

This has all been hashed out countless times already.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
folks - lets please refer to the first post here and have a good, enlightening chat.

please disregard the flamers b#llsh#t

Yeah folks, what's wrong with you. Either post something that timmy can agree with or stay out of the thread.

Communism is good and killing and torturing women and children should be accepted in a modern day society?


How did I do?

 

[RobCur]

Originally posted by: KK
Maybe if that fvckin clinton idiot would have taken care of those terrorists in the 8 long years he had, we wouldn't be having this argument. Let's see, what happened on clintons watch, the bombing at the world trade center, the khobar tower bombing, cole bombing. What did ole clinton do about all of that? He bent over and took it like a man. He blew up a drug factory in africa, wow that must have hurt bin laden. Geez, I guess some of y'all like getting shlt blown up as long as it doesn't effect you. And hell, some of you liberals even hate the military now, what a surprise. Ungrateful pricks.

KK

Plz don't bash clinton, he is not the president now. do I see sense jealousy because someone does a better job as a president then bush?
while clinton was in office, most people loved him including me.
btw, it's clinton fault too that 9/11 happened, it his fault too that we are in deficit.yea you could go bout that but i don't see any logic here at work.
dude theres more to this then meets the eye, terrorist maybe hired by someone to do thing in the best of someone's interest, they just don't go blow up things for nothing. policitician buy their way into the office, and so many thing that happened so far are the result of planned action. and just because you're alway on top of the news doesn't give you a head's up on what really happened either.

 

[Regs]

Don't forget terrorists been here a long time before Bush Jr and Clinton arrived. They've always wanted to attack us.

Don't blame the leader, blame the people of this country. Nobody wanted war, they all just wanted to live their relatively peaceful lives making money off our soaring economy without getting laid off. Nobody would of supported the invasion of Afghani if it wasn't for 3,000 deaths.

If we preemptively would of attacked afghani then we would be in the same position with Iraq. Political sna-fu.

I also think this thread is ludicrous. Sound like a bunch of college starbucks cappuccino guru's who just want to make discussion just for the hell of it.

 

[EndGame]

A few points simply for record;

Patriots Day is actually April 19th and is to commemorste Paul Revere. It has now been changed and/or added to include Sept. 11th by Senate Democrats AND Republicans jointly.

If you're comparing current Bush administration to persons such as Stalin and Hitler, you must also include a few more such as FDR whom had been looking for every/any way to get the U.S. to fully engage in WWII for over a year prior to Pearl Harbor. You will also need to include Abe Lincoln and JFK to this list as both lobbied hard to engage our nation in internal or external conflict against the will of a majority of the nation at the time.

 

[noproblems]

Why is it that every time I read through one of these threads, all of you Republican Cats out there are constantly accusing the Democrats of having a "master plan" to eliminate any discourse of the issues that are put forth before it. It seems to me that the "free flow and exchange of ideas" format has been more widely supported and encouraged by Democrats over the years than the Republicans, who only recently have been playing the "fair and balanced" game. And why are so many individuals out there who claim to speak for all Democrats berating the Bush Administration for its informational folly regarding WMD.

I am not certain of much. But I am fairly certain that there are a good many Democrats who would prefer that both parties were honest and genuine in the placement of their criticisms and sympathies. I am equally certain that the misinformation encountered and vocalized by the Bush Administration was not a wholesale attempt to deceive the American public. Please remember that much of this information was "unearthed" by intelligence organizations on Clinton's watch.

No wonder I don't agree with or vote the party line too often.

 

[Pers]

Originally posted by: TubStain
I respect USA's right to mourn for their loss, BUT I do not respect the right of the government to use that as a means for controlling public opinionand inciting fear into people. Every major country has faced major losses of human life, some continue to do so. These countries do not have the benefit of making the world their center stage, like american's do. Therefore my view is that while american's can mourn and commemorate their loss, they should not expect the world to mourn for them, as well.

best post.

 

[PatboyX]

If you're comparing current Bush administration to persons such as Stalin and Hitler, you must also include a few more such as FDR whom had been looking for every/any way to get the U.S. to fully engage in WWII for over a year prior to Pearl Harbor. You will also need to include Abe Lincoln and JFK to this list as both lobbied hard to engage our nation in internal or external conflict against the will of a majority of the nation at the time.

to lobby hard and to attack are two different things.

about FDR: good for him. that was a war that america kept out of and alienated us, not the other way around.

 

[SebastianK]

well, there's a theory out there (conspiracy) claiming the twin towers' destruction was manufactured. At least, the assertions regresses to such conclusion.

I'm not sure I want to cut and paste the info into this forum and cause a hellstorm in here.

However, I did find the way the towers collapsed was fishy. This was before I read about these post-9/11 investigative reports. At least, the claim of jet fuel melting the steel is being or was discredited.

 

[LeadMagnet]

Originally posted by: SebastianK
well, there's a theory out there (conspiracy) claiming the twin towers' destruction was manufactured. At least, the assertions regresses to such conclusion.

I'm not sure I want to cut and paste the info into this forum and cause a hellstorm in here.

However, I did find the way the towers collapsed was fishy. This was before I read about these post-9/11 investigative reports. At least, the claim of jet fuel melting the steel is being or was discredited.

Conspiracy theory


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[LeadMagnet]