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The AMD Mantle Thread

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3DVagabond said:
I said BF4 w/ Mantle was going to be 10x as fast as DX? Please do point that out. I must have been really drunk or someone stole my login. 😀
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I said again u were trying to say this but it is a past NVM.
I saying this again and again that If u want full mantle performance than system should be AMD base not just gpu.There is no way in hell AMD will alow Intle user to take full advantage whether they AMD gpus.It only about 20% max.

BTW MODs Most of Mantle talks and slides is about CPU bottleneck so why it is in Video section?
 
One of the slides shows the I7 4770k versus the 7600. The I7 fares better, but the 7600 actually seems to hold it's own against the I7 with Mantle (a bit slower, but it is also a lower priced offering), despite being an APU vs a dedicated CPU.

The point of this comment/slide being that even multicore Intel CPUs will see a significant benefit from Mantle.

See slide 4 on this page:
http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/98295-amd-tech-day-kaveri-mantle-slides/
 
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desprado said:
I said again u were trying to say this but it is a past NVM.
I saying this again and again that If u want full mantle performance than system should be AMD base not just gpu.There is no way in hell AMD will alow Intle user to take full advantage whether they AMD gpus.It only about 20% max.

BTW MODs Most of Mantle talks and slides is about CPU bottleneck so why it is in Video section?
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So I didn't say it? Good, I was afraid I was losing my mind. Although that doesn't change the fact you labeled me as someone saying that and we still haven't been shown anyone who has.

How do you figure Mantle isn't going to work the same with Intel CPU's as AMD CPU's? It's obvious it's not going to work with Intel's IGPU. Is that what you mean? Or, do you think there's some X86 instruction set that AMD supports that Intel doesn't? Please explain.
 
DaZeeMan said:
One of the slides shows the I7 4770k versus the 7600. The I7 fares better, but the 7600 actually seems to hold it's own against the I7 with Mantle (a bit slower, but it is also a lower priced offering), despite being an APU vs a dedicated CPU.

The point of this comment/slide being that even multicore Intel CPUs will see a significant benefit from Mantle.

See slide 4 on this page:
http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/98295-amd-tech-day-kaveri-mantle-slides/
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To my knowledge there's been nothing to substantiate desprado's claim(s). Maybe he'll clarify his statements.
 
Awww, the poor guys over at purepc.pl ran afoul of their NDA...
PurePC.pl INFORMATION: On this site was available live broadcast of the conference Kaveri AMD Tech Day 2014 in Las Vegas. The conference is covered by Confidentiality (NDA), and unfortunately we can not reveal information on the latest AMD APU Kaveri, architecture and performance results of a new family APUS. Due is an error of our servers, the article was available for a short period of time. When an error is detected all the information along with photographs and slides were Permanently removed from our servers. Sorry for misleading our readers. We have to suspend the publication of materials until the expiry of Confidential (NDA). We will definitely return to you with a full report from the event Kaveri AMD Tech Day 2014 soon. Stand by ...
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http://www.purepc.pl/amd_kaveri_tech_day/amd_kaveri_tech_day_relacja_na_zywo#
 
3DVagabond said:
So I didn't say it? Good, I was afraid I was losing my mind. Although that doesn't change the fact you labeled me as someone saying that and we still haven't been shown anyone who has.

How do you figure Mantle isn't going to work the same with Intel CPU's as AMD CPU's? It's obvious it's not going to work with Intel's IGPU. Is that what you mean? Or, do you think there's some X86 instruction set that AMD supports that Intel doesn't? Please explain.
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What i am saying these all slides and pr talks are all about much more cpu related.Of course AMD trying to Match intel CPU performance with Mantle.

So if Mantle provides benefits to intel Cpus so what AMD will get benefits from can tell that only in simple words.
 
the benefit for amd of mantle working on intel cpu's is that you dont need a "good cpu", a cheaper cpu will do the same job, so what do you buy, an i5 or an a10, with the a10 you can do a hybridcrosfire,
 
3DVagabond said:
nVidia has never been shy about fragmenting the market. They typically lock there features improvements to their own cards. I'm not really feeling any concern for nVidia about "market fragmenting".

I'm assuming that Starswarm run on an APU would be about worse case for DX. Weak CPU with a demo designed to bottleneck CPU's. I'm also thinking that an FPS like BF4 isn't best case for Mantle. If it can do +45% in an FPS (I'll take a 45% increase in minimums and be thrilled.), it's likely going to do more in RTS and MMO games.

What I'm hoping for is that it lessens limitations on how far we can go and how much we can have in games. I'm really not too concerned if it means brand A faster than brand B, as long as it gives us real and tangible improvement in game play. That's brand B's problem, IMO. Besides, if AMD is true to form they won't lock nVidia or Intel out of Mantle.
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Nvidia's PhysX is what I assume you are talking about. You've seen how often the GPU PhysX is used and you also must realize that it is only a few features that get locked to Nvidia, not an entire API.

AMD has also already stated that it is proprietary. Maybe that will change, but it is as such now. Even if it wasn't, it won't likely work well on different architectures.
 
desprado said:
What i am saying these all slides and pr talks are all about much more cpu related.Of course AMD trying to Match intel CPU performance with Mantle.

So if Mantle provides benefits to intel Cpus so what AMD will get benefits from can tell that only in simple words.
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It's hard to be sure what you are saying, I understand English isn't your first language, but it seems like you are saying it will improve performance on Intel CPU's too?
 
3DVagabond said:
It's hard to be sure what you are saying, I understand English isn't your first language, but it seems like you are saying it will improve performance on Intel CPU's too?
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No u got it wrong.What i am saying what will AMD get benefit if Mantle provides benefits to Intle Cpu and just for free and answer is that AMD will go in loss buy spending so much and dont get any benefit with there cpu.What they are trying say is that AMD are targeting gamers to buy there CPU with the help of Mantle.If u are suggesting that it does not matter whether that u have AMD cpu or Intel CPU than still loser is AMD.
 
desprado said:
No u got it wrong.What i am saying what will AMD get benefit if Mantle provides benefits to Intle Cpu and just for free and answer is that AMD will go in loss buy spending so much and dont get any benefit with there cpu.What they are trying say is that AMD are targeting gamers to buy there CPU with the help of Mantle.If u are suggesting that it does not matter whether that u have AMD cpu or Intel CPU than still loser is AMD.
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What I'm saying is it will benefit both brands of CPU. I don't see how it couldn't. Why do you think it won't? It's DX that's causing the draw call bottleneck and that's what Mantle is addressing. It has nothing to do really with AMD CPU's.
 
3DVagabond said:
What I'm saying is it will benefit both brands of CPU. I don't see how it couldn't. Why do you think it won't? It's DX that's causing the draw call bottleneck and that's what Mantle is addressing. It has nothing to do really with AMD CPU's.
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Yup as we've discussed many times 1000 posts ago, whatever Mantle does to alleviate CPU bottleneck will help Intel just as much.

I will definitely build a small ITX gaming rig for the lounge room, output to the big screen TV 1080p, Kaveri should be able to handle that res with modest IQ.
 
Gloomy said:
I'm an American. We don't baby our markets here, so please chant your commie mantra elsewhere.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the Fed and US taxpayers bailing out the US banks was the biggest incidence of babying a market in all of human
history. They socialised the debt but maintained private the profits.
I guess as an American that's an inconvenient truth best ignored like so many others.
I reckon 15-40% in games with mantle when it decides to show up.
P.S. Don't get me wrong I like Americans I just don't like it when people rewrite history.
 
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Jacky60 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Fed and US taxpayers bailing out the US banks was the biggest incidence of babying a market in all of human
history. They socialised the debt but maintained private the profits.
I guess as an American that's an inconvenient truth best ignored like so many others.
I reckon 15-40% in games with mantle when it decides to show up.
P.S. Don't get me wrong I like Americans I just don't like it when people rewrite history.
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bravo :thumbsup:
 
Jacky60 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Fed and US taxpayers bailing out the US banks was the biggest incidence of babying a market in all of human
history. They socialised the debt but maintained private the profits.
I guess as an American that's an inconvenient truth best ignored like so many others.
I reckon 15-40% in games with mantle when it decides to show up.
P.S. Don't get me wrong I like Americans I just don't like it when people rewrite history.
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You forgot our auto industry. That was actually a bigger deal.
 
Getting off topic now...don't let trolling get this thread closed, as this is one of the few place we can debunk the empty PR about mantle guys 🙂
 
Back on topic AMD delivered on frame pacing, late, but they delivered. It took nearly a year of complaining but at least they responded and have never to my knowledge 'cheated'. I reckon Mantle will make a big difference but Nvidia will counter in dozens of ways. Software and how easy it is to code games has been an issue for several years so anything that unifies coding for similar architectures in any way is beneficial. Ideally all software could be open source so Mantle, Gsync and Dx could all get on well but until then......
 
DarkKnightDude said:
How do we know if it was built for Mantle? I thought they said somewhere they worked on their engine for a year now and added Mantle only a few months ago?
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~50k batch on a frame is certainly not D3D friendly. This API will dramatically slow down if the frame use more than ~10k batch. 2k/frame is recommended for optimal performance, but 5k/frame is still good.
 
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