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The AMD Mantle Thread

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Arkadrel said:
DirectX bottlenecks ~15k batches with best CPU on market, performance plumets by huge amounts after that point.

on mantle, you can do 80k-100k without issue.



"At application level, starswarm is 3 faster in some cases"


Imagine running directX and getting 20 fps in a game, compaired to running mantle and getting 60 fps.

A 3 times speed up is huge, certainly more than just the ~20% some people have been saying it ll likely only amount to.
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And that with Oxide observing it's a pre-alpha build they've only had for two months, they have barely started to do GPU optimizations and in general have just 'scratched the surface' of Mantle's potential.

GDC in March will be interesting.
 
Typical AMD style still hyping with no result or benchmark.Here some frantic will carry on and hype and when they see the performance they will disappear for year or so until AMD comes with new hype.

Some people wont get this All these Slides are made by AMD and its gaming Evolved partners nothing new and of course they say every thing good and sweet is called marketing tricks until u see real performance.Every thing has its negative and positive and it is impossible that Mantle will not have any thing negative so it is not magic which frantic describe as.

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desprado said:
Typical AMD style still hyping with no result or benchmark.Here some frantic will carry on and hype and when they see the performance they will disappear for year or so until AMD comes with new hype.

Some people wont get this All these Slides are made by AMD and its gaming Evolved partners nothing new and of course they say every thing good and sweet is called marketing tricks until u see real performance.Every thing has its negative and positive and it is impossible that Mantle will not have any thing negative so it is not magic which frantic describe as.
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Discerning nothing I consider factual or valid in the above paragraphs.
 
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desprado said:
Every thing has its negative and positive and it is impossible that Mantle will not have any thing negative so it is not magic which frantic describe as.
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Mantle Positives:
- May speed up performance if you have a compatible video card; or allow for more detail or units or easier development of games

Mantle Negatives:
- Worst case scenario is that you have to use DirectX like everybody else (so you don't gain or lose anything from the consumer's point of view), and the game dev wasted some resources that they could have used elsewhere or to lower the price of the game (maybe not very much in resources, if they used an engine that is natively Mantle-enabled)
 
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ultimatebob said:
What does the rumor mill say about the Mantle patch for Battlefield 4 not being out yet? Did they run into some last minute bugs, or are the performance gains not as good as promised?
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Well, I know that EA postponed any future DLC releases until current bugs are fixed, and I would imagine that they wouldn't be focusing on mantle either until they get some bugs worked out.
 
psoomah said:
Discerning nothing I consider rational or valid in the above paragraphs.
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People making worthless claims with no actual results that is called frantic and u can find the meaning on google if u dont know the meaning.People who making Slides and talking are of course paid heavy amount by AMD and no one will involve until they get paid or see their own benefits that is called business which u do not get.

Of Course there will be improvement but not as many people dream of getting 20 to 50%.

I am saying this performance will depended on AMD base system not just AMD GPU.
 
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desprado said:
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What's the difference about what you say? Telling us that Mantle has no future, it's only a hype, that it will not give that much improvements, etc .. if it's not based on something real, then your claims are as worthless as mine/ours.

Don't get me wrong, you are free to say that you want, but so are we.

Anybody who knows something about programming will tell you that removing abstraction layers, speeds up your code where it's limited by the abstraction. In this special cases, the improvements can be quite big. But, in others it can have zero impact in performance.

Yes, it's more complicate to develop, but why should we as customers care? We are not doing it the heavy lifting ...
 
NeoLuxembourg said:
What's the difference about what you say? Telling us that Mantle has no future, it's only a hype, that it will not give that much improvements, etc .. if it's not based on something real, then your claims are as worthless as mine/ours.

Don't get me wrong, you are free to say that you want, but so are we.

Anybody who knows something about programming will tell you that removing abstraction layers, speeds up your code where it's limited by the abstraction. In this special cases, the improvements can be quite big. But, in others it can have zero impact in performance.

Yes, it's more complicate to develop, but why should we as customers care? We are not doing it the heavy lifting ...
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Do u know how much performance improvement it will give or what results it will give and if u dont know that plz stop make useless prediction
 
desprado said:
Do u know how much performance improvement it will give or what results it will give and if u dont know that plz stop make useless prediction
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What is it that makes you feel compelled to trash talk this thread that much.
Let them get excited about Mantle, Why do you even care lol ? ..
Browsing through the last 20 or so pages, You are doing NOTHING but saying what I quoted.
Its boring, annoying and makes browsing this thread for news longer..
 
Freaksterz said:
What is it that makes you feel compelled to trash talk this thread that much.
Let them get excited about Mantle, Why do you even care lol ? ..
Browsing through the last 20 or so pages, You are doing NOTHING but saying what I quoted.
Its boring, annoying and makes browsing this thread for news longer..
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This

I'm sorry to say it, but it really is starting to get boring seeing some people continuesly trash talking in this thread.

Mantle is looking promising. A lot of developers are jumping on the Mantle wagon and are claiming performance increases.
Sure, there's some hype involved. But these developers aren't spending their dollars just to support the hype, they believe the Mantle api is really able to change pc gaming.

The Starswarm demo is quite impressive, running all those units and objects on an fx-8350 + 290x, while barely scratching the surface of Mantle's full potential.
 
desprado said:
People making worthless claims with no actual results that is called frantic and u can find the meaning on google if u dont know the meaning.People who making Slides and talking are of course paid heavy amount by AMD and no one will involve until they get paid or see their own benefits that is called business which u do not get.

Of Course there will be improvement but not as many people dream of getting 20 to 50%.

I am saying this performance will depended on AMD base system not just AMD GPU.
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Hello, I'm the OP of some big threads on other forums abotu mantle ...

This is the demo we've been waiting for, ofcourse analyzing the data it was to be expected but with some "hard" showing it's easier for the less experienced people to understand.

However you are a noob and a troll. I do not see any signs of PR spin. Please stop spreading [redacted].

Warning issued for personal attack, inappropriate language and thread crapping.
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desprado said:
Do u know how much performance improvement it will give or what results it will give and if u dont know that plz stop make useless prediction
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The funny thing about my post is that I did not talk about Mantle performance. I'm talking about programming in general. 🙄

But who am I to say something ...
 
krumme said:
Wow. For the first time we get some serious change of the rts games. I think civ5 basicly looks and plays like dune2. Lol. Now this could actually give us some different true 3d rts games.

There is lots of interesting stuff. I especially notice the "there is no lead thread". How is that possible ???
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All the Civ games are turn based, they are not RTS games at all. Civ5 (which I own), would never work as a real time strategy game. Dune2 was a RTS, the first one I ever played back in the day.

I think what ever demo you saw just did some sort of replay of a game in fast motion.
 
desprado said:
People making worthless claims with no actual results that is called frantic and u can find the meaning on google if u dont know the meaning.
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The only "frantic" thing I am seeing here is you running around trying to stamp on any suggestion that Mantle could possibly be a good thing.

Let it go.
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ultimatebob said:
What does the rumor mill say about the Mantle patch for Battlefield 4 not being out yet? Did they run into some last minute bugs, or are the performance gains not as good as promised?
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I would expect it is related to the general stability bugs which Battlefield 4 has suffered from on all platforms. DICE have announced that development on all future products and releases is on hold until they get BF4 stable; I expect that the Mantle patch falls into that category.

I just hope that it is ready in time for the Kaveri launch, AMD could do with a convincing demo.
 
I wouldn't be surprised to find that Mantle does not come out for BF4 this month, and if it does it might very well be broken. BF4 is a complete mess and seems to be getting more bugs with each release. The poster child for this technology that might tell us the sort of benefits it would bring isn't working properly, shows all the signs of a badly rushed product and any results (good or bad) for Mantle are going to be questionable knowing what the game looks like.

I sure hope it improves performance, but then BF4 is already a game I can get running at 110-177 fps so the draw call overhead is really low in this game. However I think a game like Arma 3 would improve dramatically as some 70% of its main thread time goes to draw call overhead.
 
If "Mantle" is all that it is hyped to be....why do consoles have inferior I.Q compared to the PC?
(It's really that simple)

Just because AMD has no multi-threaded DX driver, dosn't mean that you need to "hack" around that...you just need to update your driver and follow specs. *shrugs*
 
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