ShintaiDK
Lifer
Remember to enable DC in swarm for DX in the ini file. Gives almost twice the performance. The swarm demo is simply rigged.
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Remember to enable DC in swarm for DX in the ini file. Gives almost twice the performance. The swarm demo is simply rigged.
If they needed to push Mantle why would any sane publisher take only peanuts?
If i were EA i would bleed them out. Especially when you see that EA need every money they can get.
Good games get published at snail pace. So Mantle revisiting already published games would be HUUGE.
If they do that, I'd become an AMD fanboi LOL.
Seriously though, frametime/smoothness wise there is NOTHING more important than having your GPU properly fed.
(well ok that + frames being pushed on display aka G-Sync/FreeSync)
Well played AMD, GJ DICE. But now we want moar. More Mantle ofc :biggrin:
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After some hours playing mp i feel its a far better smooth experience nearly all the time vs dx. Thinks it gives better K/D ratio but definitively better gameplay feel.
Sometimes every 5 minute or so though there is a bug, and there is a very small pause giving a hickup in the game. Thats irritating but i prefer to game with Mantle because the smoothness all the time. Could have been the server i just jumped on. But the smoothness is basicly always there and its very nice. I guess it also highly depens how sensistive you are to smoothness and low min fps and how your setup are.
Played on varios maps with 60-64 man. i5 3570k at 4.1, and 7970 1ghz. I like to game consistently over 60fps.
Saying Mantle is not for BF4 is nonsense. BF4 is a MP game.
Sometimes every 5 minute or so though there is a bug, and there is a very small pause giving a hickup in the game. Thats irritating but i prefer to game with Mantle because the smoothness all the time. Could have been the server i just jumped on. But the smoothness is basicly always there and its very nice. I guess it also highly depens how sensistive you are to smoothness and low min fps and how your setup are.
Played on varios maps with 60-64 man. i5 3570k at 4.1, and 7970 1ghz. I like to game consistently over 60fps.
Saying Mantle is not for BF4 is nonsense. BF4 is a MP game.
3DVagabond
Lifer
This is the only review I've seen with a basic gaming system
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Benchmark Results: In Battlefield 4, using DICE’s new benchmarking tool we received a 15.8% performance boost once Mantle was enabled at a screen resolution of 1920×1080. This is not a bad performance uplift and we’d consider a system with an Intel Core i5-3570 processor along with a Radeon R7 260X a pretty good real world platform for gamers.
15% for a i5-3570/260X isn't too shabby.
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SiliconWars
Platinum Member
If AMD can basically get complete rights to BF4 - so much so that they can get a whole new API patched into the game at the same time when it's been riddled with bugs - for $8 million, including all those keys etc...then they can certainly get the next top 19 games this year for an average of $1 million a piece.
Current Gaming Evolved and DX driver optimization will be costing them a lot more. GE becomes Mantle, seems simple enough.
They are already in the Frostbite games anyway. It's going to take time though, it's not like games are insta-developed.
SiliconWars
Platinum Member
I agree, this would be absolutely massive and while I'd love to see them go back and do stuff like WoW, GW2 etc - I just don't see it happening. I think Nvidia probably would, which is quite frustrating. 😛
SiliconWars
Platinum Member
Pay more for what?
Anyway, Nvidia obviously thought $8 million was too much for BF4 yet AMD was prepared to go there. So yeah, I have my doubts that Nvidia will pay more.
Silverforce11
Lifer
You guys are so late to the party, lots of sites test 0/4 servers, where they run around by themselves.. it really is indicative of what players would do, buying a full game to run around jerking by themselves.. not.
The only ones that so far test actual REAL multiplayer is [H], GameGPU.RU and others do simulated MP with empty servers. Weaksauce. A few even post a videos of their "run".
The only ones that so far test actual REAL multiplayer is [H], GameGPU.RU and others do simulated MP with empty servers. Weaksauce. A few even post a videos of their "run".
SiliconWars
Platinum Member
Don't forget the real beauty of Mantle - it can just completely bypass any of Nvidia's optimizations that decrease AMD's performance.
Let's say Nvidia pays $5 million for a game - AMD can pay another $1-$2 million for Mantle support, completely bypassing GameWorks or whatever. Nvidia can't stop that, they can't do a thing about it without breaking the law as that would be exclusionary.
Let's say Nvidia pays $5 million for a game - AMD can pay another $1-$2 million for Mantle support, completely bypassing GameWorks or whatever. Nvidia can't stop that, they can't do a thing about it without breaking the law as that would be exclusionary.
coercitiv
Diamond Member
Just wait till people realize a mere piece of software can lower thermals and power consumption in mobile gaming.
Dresdenboy
Golden Member
I've skipped the last 10 pages, where the same 2 or 3 questions and 2 or 3 opinions where repeated using different wordings. It's always the same: more money usually buys more performance, and a bottlenecking GPU won't get faster with Mantle as I said before.
For a followup to a review the testers might compare same budget machines with different weight on CPU or GPU performance. And, as coercitiv mentioned, do some power consumption/battery life tests.
To give you an impression, what parallelism in graphics rendering and game code is all about, I have here a slide which I found in the backup of an older SIGGRAPH talk. It shows different tasks running on two GPUs (AFR) and four CPU cores:
Now imagine some tasks depending on the results of others (eg. the rosé one on CPU3). If there is enough CPU headroom (think of early BF4 CPU results), the whole thing works. But if that balance is lost (e.g. weaker cores, load spikes due to MP gaming in certain scenarios), the whole thing quickly hits a wall. And DX11 handling (either DC or IC) adds a burden, dictated by the way MS and likely also the GPU vendors implement it. But as I said, MS surely didn't only provide header files. So there is framework code too, which is the same for all GPUs.
For a followup to a review the testers might compare same budget machines with different weight on CPU or GPU performance. And, as coercitiv mentioned, do some power consumption/battery life tests.
To give you an impression, what parallelism in graphics rendering and game code is all about, I have here a slide which I found in the backup of an older SIGGRAPH talk. It shows different tasks running on two GPUs (AFR) and four CPU cores:
Now imagine some tasks depending on the results of others (eg. the rosé one on CPU3). If there is enough CPU headroom (think of early BF4 CPU results), the whole thing works. But if that balance is lost (e.g. weaker cores, load spikes due to MP gaming in certain scenarios), the whole thing quickly hits a wall. And DX11 handling (either DC or IC) adds a burden, dictated by the way MS and likely also the GPU vendors implement it. But as I said, MS surely didn't only provide header files. So there is framework code too, which is the same for all GPUs.
I would disagree that it makes sense as a basic gaming system.
You have a $200 CPU with a $120 GPU for a gaming system?
A 270X with a slower processor would make more sense for a gaming system, since that's a $200 GPU, which is where you want to allocate money for a gaming system really...
A 260X should go with a cheaper CPU, like a Core i3 or something from AMD.
If Developers are under Nvidia contract than neither developers or AMD cannot do any thing about it and if they do anything than they can both be sued big time because of contract ,terms and condition.
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GaiaHunter
Diamond Member
My gaming rigs are generally GPU 1.5-2x more expensive than the CPU.
parvadomus
Senior member
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cmdrdredd
Lifer
That doesn't say "all upcoming FB3 games will use it" at all
Lag spikes with mantle. Any ideas anyone? Possibly slow hard drive? (lag spike happen when moving around the map especially in a fast vehicle - so possibly reading hdd for level-of-detail)
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Phenom II X4 840 (OC to 3.5GHz)
HD 7850
6GB ddr3 ram
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Phenom II X4 840 (OC to 3.5GHz)
HD 7850
6GB ddr3 ram
cmdrdredd
Lifer
I don't think it's that. I think that this was pushed out last minute and nobody really had time to prepare for their testing. It's not like everyone got their cards and a new driver a week ago and had all that time to get stuff together for their review NDA to lift. It's more like a quick and dirty test to show what people who already have a card that can take advantage of this can expect. It is only one game so far and when you have cards that retailers are pricing just too high because of the mining craze, it's not that sweet of a deal unless you already have a card anyhow. Looking for a new card now and want to go ultra high end? Unless BF4 is the only game that matters or Thief is going to be a life changing moment for you, it isn't all that special at the moment. Now the main problem I see is what has been said a bit now. You need a slower CPU matched with a fast GPU to get the maximum benefit or move up to crossfire. We will have to see if this can be "fixed". I say fixed because I don't consider this a realistic scenario...slow CPU with $700 GPU.
biostud
Lifer
It is over time as it means systems might be able to survive another GPU upgrade, before the CPU needs to be replaced in Mantle enabled games.
blackened23
Diamond Member
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/forum/threadview/2979150493821981180/1/
A lot of people on the battlelog forums stating that the Mantle renderer looks different with reduced draw distances or way more fog than DX11. Maybe the beta nature of the driver.
It is in fact not being used in all FB3 games. NFS Rivals specifically is not getting it despite using FB3. To my knowledge, Dragon Age: I is being released this year and the developers have not confirmed Mantle. PvZ Zombie Warfare is also unconfirmed for Mantle by the developers, although the bigger question is why would that game need it in the first place? Not a demanding game, more oriented to the super casual crowd. We'll see, I guess, if the developers confirm Mantle or not.
A lot of people on the battlelog forums stating that the Mantle renderer looks different with reduced draw distances or way more fog than DX11. Maybe the beta nature of the driver.
It is in fact not being used in all FB3 games. NFS Rivals specifically is not getting it despite using FB3. To my knowledge, Dragon Age: I is being released this year and the developers have not confirmed Mantle. PvZ Zombie Warfare is also unconfirmed for Mantle by the developers, although the bigger question is why would that game need it in the first place? Not a demanding game, more oriented to the super casual crowd. We'll see, I guess, if the developers confirm Mantle or not.
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cmdrdredd
Lifer
If all you play is the couple games using it, sure.
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