The ACORN employees' misbehavior put in perspective

Craig234

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ACORN, an organization with thousands of employees, who operate close to the poor and is affected by that, had a handful of employees behave badly.

Now, the reason that seems like a far bigger story in part is because ACORN has been made into a huge target by the right, fixated on it, demonizing it.

So any small wrong is viewed as if it were the cold war where the nation's greatest enemy that threatened to destroy our nation had been caught.

Being enemy #1 of the Republican 'half' of the nation makes it a big deal - I've seen more about ACORN from the right this year than about Michael Moore, George Soros and Al Gore combined. This relatively modest organizaiton has been hyped the same way candidate Obama was a 'pal of terrorists'.

Two commentators - the excellent Glenn Greenwald and also Joe Conason - have written articles on the issue about the nutty right hype.

I'd ask anyone who wants to discuss ACORN to at least read the Greenwald article, for understanding another opinion.

I won't cut and paste the commentaries here, formatting and links make it better to click and read them (there are good links for extra credit).

Glenn Greenwald

Joe Conason

One of the above columns wryly contrasts the big reaction from Democrats and Republicans to shut down the funding for ACORN for this wrongful talk about pretend prostitution, while more than one of the members of Congress who are so strongly judging them are guilty of actual prostitution scandals, but have had no such sanctions.

But I'm reminded, in contrast, of how much less attention the far worse exposure of things like the family, a radical right-wing Christian organization that idolozes the likes of Pol Pot and Hitler and has been involved in sex scandals with multiple Republican politicians, got compared to this. That really goes to show the difference the volume makes, as opposed to the substance.

It's always alarmed me to see the cognitive dissonance of the ideological - can you imagine if the Washington Times was a commited leftist newspaper in Washington, D.C. to shift thepolitical discource, founded by the Rev. Moon, a batshit nut who is treated very well by politicians of the party he supports? But the right gets almost no grief for things like that.

While I have a low rate of converting the ideological by exposing them to the facts, I remain convinced it might help with some, and so, this thread.

After the gross misrepresentaion of the facts in the previous ACORN 'scandal' when they properly vetted, identified fraudulent ballots, and identified them as fraudulent as required by law, and cooperated with the prosecution of the people who did wrong was described as ACORN being in a conspiracy to try to get those fraudulent registrations processed, I'm sure there will be low-quality replies out of ignorance and bias on this one too, unfortunately.

But there's some good information in the links for anyone with an honest interest.
 

JKing106

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Why are the Republicans so afraid of an organization that exists to get poor people to vote? Hmmm...
 

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Originally posted by: JKing106
Why are the Republicans so afraid of an organization that exists to get poor people to vote? Hmmm...


ACORN screwed the pooch and now is paying the piper. Hey I got two metaphors in that sentence!
 

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Why are the Republicans so afraid of an organization that exists to get poor people to vote?
 

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I watched the Glen Beck video and am now convinced, even before checking those links that what I will see is a look at the faces but not the big picture, where the camera pulls back revealing the whole communist plot to destroy America.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: JKing106
Why are the Republicans so afraid of an organization that exists to get poor people to vote?

I don't believe that the current fuss about ACORN was because they were trying to win the right to vote for underage prostitutes.
 

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: JKing106
Why are the Republicans so afraid of an organization that exists to get poor people to vote?

I don't believe that the current fuss about ACORN was because they were trying to win the right to vote for underage prostitutes.

Underage prostitutes have rights to! You underage prostitute racist!
 

Jaskalas

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I'm thrilled and excited that partisan politics doesn't stop Craig from defending, in length, criminal organizations. Everyone who supports them should jump onboard that sinking ship.
 

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It appears that the video that have come out show systemic issues - or at least systemic lack of oversight. Of course, Blinders-on Craig doesn't see that.

You have an "honest interest" indeed.
 

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I'm thrilled and excited that partisan politics doesn't stop Craig from defending, in length, criminal organizations. Everyone who supports them should jump onboard that sinking ship.

Maybe he is a member of ACORN?
 

JKing106

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Why are the Republicans so afraid of an organization that exists to get poor people to vote?
 

JKing106

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Originally posted by: Zstream
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I'm thrilled and excited that partisan politics doesn't stop Craig from defending, in length, criminal organizations. Everyone who supports them should jump onboard that sinking ship.

Maybe he is a member of ACORN?

Maybe you're a mindless robot hating something because you're told to, and don't have a fucking clue as to why. Good sheep.
 

JKing106

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I'm thrilled and excited that partisan politics doesn't stop Craig from defending, in length, criminal organizations. Everyone who supports them should jump onboard that sinking ship.

Are you talking about Halliburton, or Blackwater?
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: JKing106
Why are the Republicans so afraid of an organization that exists to get poor people to vote? Hmmm...
Originally posted by: JKing106
Why are the Republicans so afraid of an organization that exists to get poor people to vote?
Originally posted by: JKing106
Why are the Republicans so afraid of an organization that exists to get poor people to vote?

how does getting poor people to vote transition into supporting child prostitution?
 

JKing106

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: JKing106
Why are the Republicans so afraid of an organization that exists to get poor people to vote? Hmmm...
Originally posted by: JKing106
Why are the Republicans so afraid of an organization that exists to get poor people to vote?
Originally posted by: JKing106
Why are the Republicans so afraid of an organization that exists to get poor people to vote?

how does getting poor people to vote transition into supporting child prostitution?

How does the actions of two individuals, who were fired, make an entire organization guilty? I guess if we're going to do that, then every CEO of every bank that was bailed out should to prison, yes? All banks are guilty of fraud. Then everyone who ever worked for Blackwater should go to prison for life because of Andrew Moonen murdering the Iraqi Vice President's bodyguard. He made the entire company guilty. Charge them all with murder. Can't be hypocrites, can we?

 

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: JKing106
Why are the Republicans so afraid of an organization that exists to get poor people to vote? Hmmm...
ACORN screwed the pooch and now is paying the piper. Hey I got two metaphors in that sentence!
You could be even prouder if you recognized that you employed two idioms in your sentence. Metaphor not in evidence.
 

Craig234

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Sadly, there hasn't yet been a single post on-topic on the linked commentaries.

On another note, these same undercover activists - who are serving evil, but who I have no problem with checking up on ACORN and exposing this problem - actuallly visited several ACORN offices with the same trap. The other offices did not do anything wrong - Philadelphia called the police.

Just this one handful of people did the wrong thing. So much for 'systemic'.
 

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Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: JKing106
Why are the Republicans so afraid of an organization that exists to get poor people to vote? Hmmm...
ACORN screwed the pooch and now is paying the piper. Hey I got two metaphors in that sentence!
You could be even prouder if you recognized that you employed two idioms in your sentence. Metaphor not in evidence.

Grammatically correct! <runs and hides in shame>
 

JKing106

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Why are the Republicans so afraid of an organization that exists to get poor people to vote?

No one's answered yet. Why are they afraid of poor people voting? We know the answer. I just want to hear you sheep admit it. Come on, it's easy.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: JKing106
Why are the Republicans so afraid of an organization that exists to get poor people to vote?

No one's answered yet. Why are they afraid of poor people voting? We know the answer. I just want to hear you sheep admit it. Come on, it's easy.

Because ACORN registered over a million people in the last election, which is GOOD for people who are principled and value democracy.

But because some on the right prefer that their votes count for more and other groups don't vote, they are out to get ACORN.
 

JKing106

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: JKing106
Why are the Republicans so afraid of an organization that exists to get poor people to vote?

No one's answered yet. Why are they afraid of poor people voting? We know the answer. I just want to hear you sheep admit it. Come on, it's easy.

Because ACORN registered over a million people in the last election, which is GOOD for people who are principled and value democracy.

But because some on the right prefer that their votes count for more and other groups don't vote, they are out to get ACORN.

Oh, I know Craig. I want one of our resident Neocon ass-kissers to tell us the truth. About how the poor are peasants, and don't deserve the same "rights" as the wealthy. About how the poor are nothing but leeches, and "want mah money!" About how they're afraid if the poor got a little money in their pockets like the middle class in the 50's and 60's, they'll start to get "uppity," and not bend over like they had to on the recent "bailout" caused by the Neocons. I just want one them to not talk bullshit talking points, and just admit it.

 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: JKing106
Why are the Republicans so afraid of an organization that exists to get poor people to vote?

No one's answered yet. Why are they afraid of poor people voting? We know the answer. I just want to hear you sheep admit it. Come on, it's easy.

because it's a retarded and loaded partisan question.

people have legitimate concerns about the organization and the fact that they register poor people to vote doesn't give them a free pass on anything else they might do.
 

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: JKing106
Why are the Republicans so afraid of an organization that exists to get poor people to vote?

No one's answered yet. Why are they afraid of poor people voting? We know the answer. I just want to hear you sheep admit it. Come on, it's easy.

because it's a retarded and loaded partisan question.

people have legitimate concerns about the organization and the fact that they register poor people to vote doesn't give them a free pass on anything else they might do.

You are right, but what do you think of the points made by the OP's links that we are talking about the relative noise generated around a 53 million over 15 years organization as opposed to the noise from these same folk over the wholesale looting of the country by the rich?
 

Tom

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Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: JKing106
Why are the Republicans so afraid of an organization that exists to get poor people to vote? Hmmm...
ACORN screwed the pooch and now is paying the piper. Hey I got two metaphors in that sentence!
You could be even prouder if you recognized that you employed two idioms in your sentence. Metaphor not in evidence.

isn't this the pot calling the kettle black..those are metaphors..and idioms.