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thraashman

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So much hate. No outrage here btw...just calling them as I see see them. He fancies himself as being exceptionally intelligent which actually surprised me....but his arrogance did not go unnoticed. Which brings me to you...do you have skin in this game? If so, what's your beef?

In other words...you don't know me...yet your post is so full of hatred as if I've touched a nerve with you personally. I don't get it. Please explain.

You're the one who made the first attack in this thread aimed at me. I made a simple comment about how the Republican view towards the less fortunate is "fuck em". Which after Romney's "fuck the 47%" speech and the constant Republican defense of that speech along with a constant Republican refrain of saying anyone who votes Democrat is just wanting free stuff, I'd say my assessment is accurate.

As far as fancying myself exceptionally intelligent, I am. You can call me arrogant, but after years of posting in P&N I simply have learned I'm smarter than a vast majority of posters on here. And absolutely smarter than every conservative.

The only thing I said that you can validly attack is my comment about lone wolves tending to die young. I honestly made no attempt to research that before making it and can't find any evidence to support that statement either way (at least not without more effort than I'm willing to put into researching it).
 
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This is a ridiculous argument because A) This system you claim isn't viable has been in operation for nigh 80 years and hasn't had any issues and B) The GOP seems to worry a lot about a system breaking down and them losing money vs the entire world falling into chaos because we DESTROYED it!


How can you possibly justify your faux concern for your "grandchildren" when you're happy to destroy the entire world they live in so you can drive a bigger, faster SUV?


The truth is you couldn't care less about anybody who exists after you because you're selfish and are in reality only concerned with the ~8% of your income that might go to SS and Medicare/aid. That 8% is worth killing over to you, because it represents the difference between an Expedition and an Escalade, and what person could possibly live with an Expedition!?!
You don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. You might want to google "chained CPI" and take a few minutes to educate yourself as to why Obama included this approach in his last budget proposal to help reform SS and Medicare. He knows we have a problem...and he knows that if we take relatively modest actions now to fund the 75 year funding gap...that it will help greatly to mitigate the severity of this inevitable problem for future generations.

I don't mind you villifying me for doing the responsible thing...that's fine because I know you're really stupid...but please do make sure you throw a good portion of your incredibly ignorant rhetoric towards Obama...lest you, in addition to being an abject idiot, are comfortable with being a pathetic hypocrite as well.
 
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dank69

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You don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. You might want to google "chained CPI" and take a few minutes to educate yourself as to why Obama included this approach in his last budget proposal to help reform SS and Medicare. He knows we have a problem...and he knows that if we take relatively modest actions now to fund the 75 year funding gap...that it will help greatly to mitigate the severity of this inevitable problem for future generations.

I don't mind you villifying me for doing the responsible thing...that's fine because I know you're really stupid...but please do make sure you throw a good portion of your incredibly ignorant rhetoric towards Obama...lest you, in addition to being an abject idiot, are comfortable with being a pathetic and mindless hypocrite as well.
That's the point. All it takes is relatively modest actions and the programs will be solvent for a long time. Meanwhile, if conservative claims are to be believed, "entitlements" need to be eliminated. Also funny how they classify the system you paid into your whole life as entitlements, isn't it?
 
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Yeah see funny part about that is, in 20 years you'll be dead and we'll forget about you. So not really even a quarter of our lives will we take care of you, and that's at best. We're all hoping you'll be dead before we worry about it, hopefully from an accidental gun discharge at an NRA meeting.

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Damn...I missed this one as well. I'm seeing so much vitriol and hatred from millenials lately...must have struck a nerve somehow. BTW, I got this response from TreVader for merely saying 'thank you' to millenials in general for their support in my future retirement. What gives? What's with all the rage?
 

dank69

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Damn...I missed this one as well. I'm seeing so much vitriol and hatred from millenials lately...must have struck a nerve somehow. BTW, I got this response from TreVader for merely saying 'thank you' to millenials in general for their support in my future retirement. What gives? What's with all the rage?
Rage begets rage, my friend. Look at the damn topic ffs.
 
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That's the point. All it takes is relatively modest actions and the programs will be solvent for a long time.
Agree. Too bad most Democrats don't agree as they soundly chastised Obama for suggesting something so outrageous as using the chained CPI reform.

Meanwhile, if conservative claims are to be believed, "entitlements" need to be eliminated. Also funny how they classify the system you paid into your whole life as entitlements, isn't it?
There you go again with your bullshit. Sigh.
 
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TreVader

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Damn...I missed this one as well. I'm seeing so much vitriol and hatred from millenials lately...must have struck a nerve somehow. BTW, I got this response from TreVader for merely saying 'thank you' to millenials in general for their support in my future retirement. What gives? What's with all the rage?

Poor wording, although you can decide to take whatever meaning you like.


I was merely pointing out the fact that you are old and I am young, and you will (assuming normal life expectancy) likely not be alive for me to pay for you at that point. So basically, we will pay for you for the rest of your life, not ours.

It's funny that you're so upset about us paying for you. Could it be that you're just upset that you'll have to actually contribute something to society that isn't immediately beneficial to yourself?


Conservatives live in a world that ends at the tip of their noses. You have no concept of anyone or anything else and whatever doesn't immediately affect you is of no consequence.
 

TreVader

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LOL. But, I'm not mad. And I'm certainly not wishing death on others who happen to have a different opinion than me.

And why would you be mad? All that's happening here is the normal progression of society. Just because your value to society is over and your views are totally irrelevant and unrepresented in the media doesn't mean you should be mad.


You should just accept that your influence is near as makes no difference non existent and that millennials will decide what kind of healthcare you get, who you get it from, and who pays for it!
 
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Poor wording, although you can decide to take whatever meaning you like.


I was merely pointing out the fact that you are old and I am young, and you will (assuming normal life expectancy) likely not be alive for me to pay for you at that point. So basically, we will pay for you for the rest of your life, not ours.

It's funny that you're so upset about us paying for you. Could it be that you're just upset that you'll have to actually contribute something to society that isn't immediately beneficial to yourself?


Conservatives live in a world that ends at the tip of their noses. You have no concept of anyone or anything else and whatever doesn't immediately affect you is of no consequence.
I'm not upset about millenials paying for my SS/Medicare...I THANKED THEM FFS! I merely think some reform is needed to assure you get these benefits as well, and because of this opinion, you want to see me dead. Are you fucking brain dead?
 

WackyDan

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As far as fancying myself exceptionally intelligent, I am. You can call me arrogant, but after years of posting in P&N I simply have learned I'm smarter than a vast majority of posters on here. And absolutely smarter than every conservative.

Thanks for the laugh. Read what you wrote again a few times and see if you don't consider it pretty fucking stupid actually.
 

TreVader

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I'm not upset about millenials paying for my SS/Medicare...I THANKED THEM FFS! I merely think some reform is needed to assure you get these benefits as well, and because of this opinion, you want to see me dead. Are you fucking brain dead?

I don't even know you, and as I said I don't want you dead, I was just pointing out that your obviously sarcastic remark about thanking us for paying for you for the "rest of our lives" is totally inaccurate.
 

shadow9d9

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So, the generation that has started about 5 endless wars/occupations, bankrupted the country, outsourced our jobs, deregulated big business, and just destroyed the worldwide economy with this deregulation.. is upset that the younger generation wants to pay into healthcare that would make sure the whole country is covered?

Do you know the definition of self absorbed/selfishness?
 
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As far as fancying myself exceptionally intelligent, I am. You can call me arrogant, but after years of posting in P&N I simply have learned I'm smarter than a vast majority of posters on here. And absolutely smarter than every conservative.
Around what IQ would you say you are?
 

nixium

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Yikes...he was talking about me! I missed this earlier.

I'm speechless. Are millenials in general really that angry towards older people....or just those who happen to have differing opinions?

I apologize, I just was very angry because what you (and that other guy wrote) hit a very personal nerve. I won't go into details, and I still disagree with you, but that level of anger was inappropriate.
 
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I apologize, I just was very angry because what you (and that other guy wrote) hit a very personal nerve. I won't go into details, and I still disagree with you, but that level of anger was inappropriate.
No problem. But I wish you would go into more detail of what I said that offended you so much. Please know that I want to see some reform and am perfectly willing to experience the consequences personally when I retire in 7 years or so. I do this because I want you to have these benefits as well when it's your time to retire...it's only fair as you'll be paying into the system for a long, long time. Doing nothing at this point is not prudent and will significantly exasperate the problem the longer we chose to ignore it. Small reforms are needed now. Chained CPI reform is reasonable in my opinion and I wish Democrats would get behind Obama in support for this approach. Please know that I'm not driven by selfishness as you seem to imagine as I want SS/Medicare to continue for a long, long time as well.
 
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Fern

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That's the point. All it takes is relatively modest actions and the programs will be solvent for a long time. Meanwhile, if conservative claims are to be believed, "entitlements" need to be eliminated. Also funny how they classify the system you paid into your whole life as entitlements, isn't it?


Yeah, I've thought about that before. These days "entitlement" is often thrown around as if it's a derogatory term.

I thought it started as a budgetary term, meaning entitlement programs don't require appropriation bills to be paid.

But looking into a bit I see that's (your remarks in bold) exactly what "entitlement" means:

Originally, the term "entitlement" in the United States was used to identify federal programs that, like Social Security and Medicare, got the name because workers became "entitled" to their benefits by paying into the system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entitlement

However, in recent years it's meaning has changed and is also used to describe programs that people haven't paid into such as food stamps.

Fern
 

yllus

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Well I was born in 1980 so I tend to find myself a little too young to be Gen X and a little too old to be a millennial. I'm truly a man without a country. As for millennials, I don't think they are any less well reasoned or less intelligent than any other generation. People have a tendency to complain about the Damn Kids These Days with every generation. (There's a famous quote from Socrates complaining about how crappy kids were back around 400 BC)

As an interesting note, Gen X is actually the first generation to be on average worse off than their parents, not the millennials. Considering the author of the link in the OP is part of Gen X this makes his rant particularly incoherent. Something tells me that he won't blame HIS generation's politics for that income decline, however.

I'm in the same boat - born 1981, not a Gen Xer but not really a Gen Y either. Of the two I tend to identify with Gen Y. I feel like Malcolm Gladwell should do a study on our birth years to try to identify whether we're screwed for falling between the cracks or very lucky.
 

Fern

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I'm in the same boat - born 1981, not a Gen Xer but not really a Gen Y either. Of the two I tend to identify with Gen Y. I feel like Malcolm Gladwell should do a study on our birth years to try to identify whether we're screwed for falling between the cracks or very lucky.

There are many of us in the same boat - stuck in between generational classification.

But I got lucky, someone named a (new) generation term for my group: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Jones

Fern
 

yllus

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There are many of us in the same boat - stuck in between generational classification.

But I got lucky, someone named a (new) generation term for my group: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Jones

Fern

Any interesting observations? See many in your age group get promoted early? Promoted late? High rate of alcoholism?

The reason I mention Gladwell is because in Outliers he wrote about how a segment of the population who (I may be slightly incorrect on this, going on memory) happened to be poor, Jewish and born in 1930. Many of them went on to incredible success due to a confluence of events. It's a very neat theory.
 
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So, the generation that has started about 5 endless wars/occupations, bankrupted the country, outsourced our jobs, deregulated big business, and just destroyed the worldwide economy with this deregulation.. is upset that the younger generation wants to pay into healthcare that would make sure the whole country is covered?

Do you know the definition of self absorbed/selfishness?

Big business wasn't deregulated at all and the economy wasn't destroyed because of deregulation. The government was responsible for the recession by forcing banks to give loans to people who couldn't afford them.

Socialized healthcare doesn't work and free market healthcare is needed.
 

Fern

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Any interesting observations? See many in your age group get promoted early? Promoted late? High rate of alcoholism?

The reason I mention Gladwell is because in Outliers he wrote about how a segment of the population who (I may be slightly incorrect on this, going on memory) happened to be poor, Jewish and born in 1930. Many of them went on to incredible success due to a confluence of events. It's a very neat theory.

Well, we're behind the boomers and IMO that's had a very tangible effect. Basically, the big surge in population was in front of us and this was to our detriment. In jobs/careers the path ahead was very much clogged, and not much coming in behind to 'push' us forward.

E.g. I'm a CPA and out of college began work with one the Big Four Accounting firms (it was actually the Big Eight when I started but they have merged etc.). When I began it was a 4 yr path to become a partner. But every year I was there they created an additional 1 yr step in that path. I.e., new titles were created such as 'Senior Manager' etc. After 4 yrs of working there none of us were any closer to becoming a partner than the day we started. (I quit and moved to Europe, worked out fantastic for me.)

The housing market: With all that demand in front of us housing prices skyrocketed. Of course the older Baby Boomers made out like bandits because the later boomers and the rest of us drove prices higher for them. In my course of providing tax assistance I've met older boomers who paid less than $100K and sold their home years later for near a million $'s. I've had a number of my friends (Jones) who bought a house only to have it be underwater a few years later. (I'm talking back in the early 90's, nothing to do with the 2008 recession).

Things have worked out much differently for my generation.

I can honestly say it's had a very real impact on my life. E.g., I was back again in the USA (NYC) in the early 90's working for one of the Big Four accounting firms. As I mentioned above, my group's homes were underwater. Seemed to me largely a result of the early boomers etc beginning to downsize or take early retirement and selling their houses. I felt this was only get to get worse as more boomers hit retirement age.

So, I decided to try and get ahead of them for once. I identified an area I estimated would be highly desirable for them to retire to. Then, I quit my job in NYC and moved down here before they started retiring en masse and bought as much real estate as I could. I figured I'd get ahead of them and let them pay me top price for a change. Was working great until 2008, my R/E had more than doubled in value. 2008 fixed that, will now have to wait and see how long before the market comes back.

I could go on. E.g., how the boomers have awarded themselves generous SS benefit increases largely funded by pushing back retirement age for my group and others.

I think this description of my generation sums it up nicely:

Key characteristics assigned to members are less optimism, distrust of government, and general cynicism.

Fern
 
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