Texas withholding birth certificates of US born babies

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From: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-over-denied-birth-certificates-for-children/

The suit was filed in May in U.S. District Court in Austin by a group of Mexican citizen parents living in Texas. The suit claims the state refused birth certificates for 23 children because the parents could not provide the proper photo identification under state law.

But the parents argue Texas is, in doing so, violating the 14th Amendment, which guarantees citizenship to anyone born on U.S. soil regardless of their parents’ status.

Texas wanting to not follow the U.S. Constitution.. AGAIN.. :rolleyes:

Why don't they just secede? It's not like anyone will miss them, and less legal headaches too. Then they can do what they damn well like.
 

Jhhnn

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He does kinda rub your noses in it, huh?

If those children were born in this country, they have a constitutional right to citizenship & the documentation to prove it. It's fine & dandy to attempt a constitutional amendment to change that, but Texas officials need to lay off the chickenshit.
 

ivwshane

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Psh! The 14th amendment?! Lol! That's lower than the 2nd amendment therefore who gives a fuck?!






/s
 

chucky2

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He does kinda rub your noses in it, huh?

If those children were born in this country, they have a constitutional right to citizenship & the documentation to prove it. It's fine & dandy to attempt a constitutional amendment to change that, but Texas officials need to lay off the chickenshit.

But how to prove the people requesting the documentation are who they say they are? You wouldn't want to give out personal info to just anyone would you?
 

chucky2

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"Immigrants", " undocumented", haha I love the intentional avoidance of the word illegal.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Why don't they just secede? It's not like anyone will miss them, and less legal headaches too. Then they can do what they damn well like.

You would not hurt Texas by forcing it out of the union, though chances are it would hurt your cost of living.

I'm sure you wouldn't mind paying twice as much if not more for your gas. Texas would make far more money exporting refined gas to foreign countries than it would to other states.

Depending on where you live you may see your electricity bill increase as Texas is a power exporter as well as a natural gas exporter.
 

boomerang

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I don't know if the left is ever going to get it. When you have a President who chooses which laws he's going to enforce and which he's not, that sets the tone for the rest of the nation. It's happening with states and cities. Sanctuary cities is the example most in the news at the moment.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
 

1prophet

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I don't know if the left is ever going to get it. When you have a President who chooses which laws he's going to enforce and which he's not, that sets the tone for the rest of the nation. It's happening with states and cities. Sanctuary cities is the example most in the news at the moment.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.


They are not going to get it because they have surreptitiously been corporotized while still believing they are representatives of the very middle class they are helping destroy using tools of the rich like illegals, yet they say that they are somehow better than the GOP while being republican-lite themselves.:D
 

sandorski

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I don't know if the left is ever going to get it. When you have a President who chooses which laws he's going to enforce and which he's not, that sets the tone for the rest of the nation. It's happening with states and cities. Sanctuary cities is the example most in the news at the moment.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

This is Texas breaking the Law, not choosing whether to enforce it.
 

fskimospy

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You would not hurt Texas by forcing it out of the union, though chances are it would hurt your cost of living.

I'm sure you wouldn't mind paying twice as much if not more for your gas. Texas would make far more money exporting refined gas to foreign countries than it would to other states.

Depending on where you live you may see your electricity bill increase as Texas is a power exporter as well as a natural gas exporter.

If Texas seceded and then tried to extort the rest of the US using energy they would be quickly crushed militarily.
 

xBiffx

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If you're going to imagine a world where the action of a state suddenly causes US energy prices to double you have to consider what the response to that would be. My guess is that it wouldn't be pretty.

You're probably right, especially with our sitting president. He'd have no problem starting a war with Texas. Iran, not so much.
 

fskimospy

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You're probably right, especially with our sitting president. He'd have no problem starting a war with Texas. Iran, not so much.

I agree! He's currently practicing that invasion with Jade Helm. You will be given your FEMA camp to report to shortly.
 

Londo_Jowo

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If you're going to imagine a world where the action of a state suddenly causes US energy prices to double you have to consider what the response to that would be. My guess is that it wouldn't be pretty.

I suspect you're right, it wouldn't be pretty when the facilities that supply the goods are destroyed in a military action resulting in US energy prices going through the roof.
 

fskimospy

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I suspect you're right, it wouldn't be pretty when the facilities that supply the goods are destroyed in a military action resulting in US energy prices going through the roof.

The US is very good at capturing facilities intact. Regardless, you don't really think the US would sit idly by and allow Texas to do that, do you?

Even if it was just through economic means a hostile US remainder would be a catastrophe for Texas. Trying to double gas prices would be a way to ensure that. If Texas ever did secede and they had a brain in their head you can be quite sure they wouldn't be playing games with the US energy supply.
 

cabri

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Prove who the parents are and then the birth certificates will be provided.

The parents apparently are unable to prove who they are. They are again breaking the law.

What is the confusion?

Otherwise, anyone could collect a birth certificate even though they are not the parent and/or legal guardian.
 

JackBurton

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I like this Texas. Very innovative. This has been a long standing problem. Illegal aliens crossing the border, using hospitals to have their kids (paid by tax payers), and then saying, "yay, my kids are American," which entitles them to more tax payer money. In the meantime, parents are using American infrastructure without paying into it (taxes). I like this new move. Makes sense.

Next point. How the hell are illegals aloud to use up the American court system? Next law, if you are not an American citizen, you do don't get to use the court system, unless you are the one being prosecuted.

Now let's go amend that constitution.
 

IronWing

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Next law, if you are not an American citizen, you do don't get to use the court system, unless you are the one being prosecuted.

Now let's go amend that constitution.

No foreigner would ever visit the US again. No foreign company would do business here. We would be right there with North Korea as far as the rest of the world was concerned if we implemented your agenda.
 

Murloc

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I like this Texas. Very innovative. This has been a long standing problem. Illegal aliens crossing the border, using hospitals to have their kids (paid by tax payers), and then saying, "yay, my kids are American," which entitles them to more tax payer money. In the meantime, parents are using American infrastructure without paying into it (taxes). I like this new move. Makes sense.

Next point. How the hell are illegals aloud to use up the American court system? Next law, if you are not an American citizen, you do don't get to use the court system, unless you are the one being prosecuted.

Now let's go amend that constitution.

so if a foreign business gets screwed by an american conman he does not have access to the courts?
Foreigners have no rights?

Also you change the constitution and remove ius solis if you have a problem with the illegals playing this trick (I would, no issue there).
You don't violate it and change it afterwards. A year won't change the demographic situation.

If the constitution isn't being changed, it means that the majority wants it to stay like it is.
Or maybe you don't consider your representatives to be representative enough: in that case, change that too.
Neither of the big parties wants to do that AFAIK, and people keep voting them, so it must mean people like it how it is.



An independent texas may end up being a mexican country in a few decades, these right-wing texas shouldn't ask for independence if they're not stupid (assuming they'd have an issue with texas becoming the rich cousin of mexico, personally I wouldn't care, spanish is not that difficult to learn).
 

Londo_Jowo

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The US is very good at capturing facilities intact. Regardless, you don't really think the US would sit idly by and allow Texas to do that, do you?

Even if it was just through economic means a hostile US remainder would be a catastrophe for Texas. Trying to double gas prices would be a way to ensure that. If Texas ever did secede and they had a brain in their head you can be quite sure they wouldn't be playing games with the US energy supply.

Funny, I never mentioned Texas seceding in any of my posts. I said if Texas was forced out of the union. But keep on with your normal BS it quite amusing.
 

JackBurton

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No foreigner would ever visit the US again. No foreign company would do business here. We would be right there with North Korea as far as the rest of the world was concerned if we implemented your agenda.

Perfect, I like this. We're brainstorm.

Anyone entering into a lawsuit will need to provide citizenship (of whatever country) and proof of residency. If you are found to be illegally living in the U.S., your lawsuit will be dismissed and you will then be deported. You can then relaunch your lawsuit from your country of origin.

Seems fair to me.