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Texas Voter ID Law Stands For Midterm Elections, Court Rules

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MooseNSquirrel said:
Except you can't prove the crux of your justification --- falsely voting in someone else's name --- so the rest of your arguments are a bunch of nonsensical hand waiving to justify your solution in search of a problem.

You can't prove any thing to justify this crap. Outliers and anecdotal evidence don't count.

But hey, I don't want non humans voting, so I'm going to require everyone prove their genus.

Modern conservatives are SO adorable!
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This is one of those issues where the two sides will always philosophically disagree, like whether "corporations are people." I'll no more convince you to adopt my position any more than vice versa. Since the pro voter ID side isn't going to stop, your side should do something productive instead like actually help people get the needed IDs.
 
We already know we do not have widespread voter fraud. If we did that dumb commission wouldn't have been dissolved.

Also all of a sudden Republicans want to make it more difficult to use one of our rights guaranteed to us, which is to vote, but are against making it more difficult to get a gun. Sounds about right for Republicans.
 
glenn1 said:
This is one of those issues where the two sides will always philosophically disagree, like whether "corporations are people." I'll no more convince you to adopt my position any more than vice versa. Since the pro voter ID side isn't going to stop, your side should do something productive instead like actually help people get the needed IDs.
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No, one side is committed to an irrational myth. There is no need for the other side to accommodate that irrational myth.

This is basically like saying we need to accommodate creationism because a good part of America is too stupid and irrational to accept evolution. I find it amusing that you are a voter ID creationist.
 
glenn1 said:
This is one of those issues where the two sides will always philosophically disagree, like whether "corporations are people." I'll no more convince you to adopt my position any more than vice versa. Since the pro voter ID side isn't going to stop, your side should do something productive instead like actually help people get the needed IDs.
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You have yet to show cause for voter ID. Saying it inhibits fraud is like saying you have a magic rock that keeps tigers away.
 
zerocool84 said:
We already know we do not have widespread voter fraud. If we did that dumb commission wouldn't have been dissolved.

Also all of a sudden Republicans want to make it more difficult to use one of our rights guaranteed to us, which is to vote, but are against making it more difficult to get a gun. Sounds about right for Republicans.
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Whenever Republicans take their bullshit claims of voter fraud to court judges always rule claim is false or lawyers have to admit under oath there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud.
 
A judge in Arkansas just ruled that our new voter id law violates the state constitution just like the old law that got thrown out. A constitutional amendment to allow voter id laws will be on the ballot in November.
 
glenn1 said:
This is one of those issues where the two sides will always philosophically disagree, like whether "corporations are people." I'll no more convince you to adopt my position any more than vice versa. Since the pro voter ID side isn't going to stop, your side should do something productive instead like actually help people get the needed IDs.
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I don't have a side. Enough already.

Any rational skeptic can see that this is not about voter fraud. Nothing philosophical about data, and you don't have the data to confirm your bias brother, so try another false equivalence tactic, I'm sure it will lead to more winning.
 
soundforbjt said:
Say you live in a house with three other people, only one name on the utility bills, you have no bank account, you’re out of work and you don’t drive. How do you get to vote?
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You use your birth certificate, social security card and a copy of your rental lease to get a state issued ID card.

EDIT: I don't believe it's such a huge burden to expect folks to have ID. How can you be a productive citizen without the ability to prove who you are? Still, the idea that we have a huge voter fraud problem in need of a fix is laughable, just about as much so as the idea that requiring ID is an unreasonable expectation.

Both sides lose on this argument and we need to move on to more pressing business.
 
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Paladin3 said:
You use your birth certificate, social security card and a copy of your rental lease to get a state issued ID card.

EDIT: I don't believe it's such a huge burden to expect folks to have ID. How can you be a productive citizen without the ability to prove who you are? Still, the idea that we have a huge voter fraud problem in need of a fix is laughable, just about as much so as the idea that requiring ID is an unreasonable expectation.

Both sides lose on this argument and we need to move on to more pressing business.
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The right to vote is one of the most fundamental rights we have and one side is attempting to restrict it because they think it will help them win elections. That’s an extremely pressing issue.

‘Look how easy it is to comply with our irrational law’ is not a good argument. If a law is irrational it shouldn’t exist.
 
Paladin3 said:
You use your birth certificate, social security card and a copy of your rental lease to get a state issued ID card.

EDIT: I don't believe it's such a huge burden to expect folks to have ID. How can you be a productive citizen without the ability to prove who you are? Still, the idea that we have a huge voter fraud problem in need of a fix is laughable, just about as much so as the idea that requiring ID is an unreasonable expectation.

Both sides lose on this argument and we need to move on to more pressing business.
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You don’t believe.....


Well here’s a little homework assignment for you. Why don’t you see if your belief is justified. Why don’t you do a little research and see if you can find any type of American citizen that has been legally voting but would have difficulty voting under Voter ID requirements.
 
Why can't you just present an ID when you vote?

Why is this such a complicated question?

Can't imagine why...
 
qliveur said:
Does every poll require ID before voting?

If they do; great. If they don't; why argue for that? There's no real argument there.
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Don’t you know? Why are you posting on this subject if you don’t know anything about it?

Every state requires voters to register and to identify themselves when they vote. Why do we need expensive Voter ID laws?
 
"A citizen may vote if they have Photo ID, or if a precinct officer can vouch for the voter."

Yeah, nice try.
 
qliveur said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_in_the_United_States

You're talking out of your ass.
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I don’t think you understand what he’s talking about.

This is all kind of irrelevant anyway as voter ID laws serve no purpose other than to prevent a problem that doesn’t exist. Until someone can show the problem exists the laws shouldn’t exist.

I find it funny how people against big government can’t wait to make purposeless laws so long as they think it’s to their advantage.
 
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