Texas Voter ID Law Stands For Midterm Elections, Court Rules

[soundforbjt]

Notice how one of these pro voter ID types shows up around each election.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Notice how one of these pro voter ID types shows up around each election.

Just playing devils advocate here but isn’t that likely due to the topic coming up around each election?

 

[Jhhnn]

Just playing devils advocate here but isn’t that likely due to the topic coming up around each election?

It's a GOP perma-issue. They have several. Keeps the Faithful slightly irrational & voting for trickle down.

Why dream up new bullshit when the old bullshit still works?

 

[Paladin3]

Falling for that crap? I'm not the one suggesting that Black people and Latinos are unable to acquire free state identification for some strange reason. So why are they having trouble obtaining identification since that is what you guys are claiming?

I agree that expecting citizens to carry ID to fully participate in society isn't an unreasonable burden. On the other hand, if my elected officials think fighting non-existent voter fraud is a good use of their time then fuck them.

 

[glenn1]

I agree that expecting citizens to carry ID to fully participate in society isn't an unreasonable burden. On the other hand, if my elected officials think fighting non-existent voter fraud is a good use of their time then fuck them.

I fully expect identification to move towards biometrics and similar methods in the future so fskimospy and his ilk will need to come up with some different excuses.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I agree that expecting citizens to carry ID to fully participate in society isn't an unreasonable burden. On the other hand, if my elected officials think fighting non-existent voter fraud is a good use of their time then fuck them.

Most of the people I know who are against the current voter ID push are so due to the very strict nature of what is allowed to be used. You can get a job, social assistance, hell just about anything that needs ID without the same issues due to the vast array of what is accepted to validate your identity.

But for some reason the laws that get passed are incredibly narrow in what will be permitted to vote. I've brought it up a few times in this thread and been ignored on it but if the ID I have is enough to get a job and pay taxes than it should be enough for me to vote my representation.

 

[fskimospy]

I fully expect identification to move towards biometrics and similar methods in the future so fskimospy and his ilk will need to come up with some different excuses.

Lol, you guys never learn. ‘Soon, complying with our irrational law that attacks a nonexistent problem will be even EASIER! Surely everyone will agree with me then.’ As you’ve been told dozens of times the ease of compliance is irrelevant. The issue is that the law itself is irrational.

I wouldn’t support a law that required everyone to keep a rock in their pocket to prevent tiger attacks despite the fact that rocks are exceedingly easy to find. Why? Because I’m not a fucking moron. Similarly, I don’t support voter ID laws that only prevent a type of voter fraud that for all intents and purposes doesn’t exist because... I’m not a fucking moron.

There are two types of people who support these laws:

1) The stupid/ignorant.
2) The corrupt who think they will help Republicans win elections.

 

[Jhhnn]

I fully expect identification to move towards biometrics and similar methods in the future so fskimospy and his ilk will need to come up with some different excuses.

Quite the contrary. Official ID & the power to control it would become unnecessary.

 

[theeedude]

Falling for that crap? I'm not the one suggesting that Black people and Latinos are unable to acquire free state identification for some strange reason. So why are they having trouble obtaining identification since that is what you guys are claiming?

Same BS was said about poll taxes and literacy tests. You aren't fooling anyone.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Falling for that crap? I'm not the one suggesting that Black people and Latinos are unable to acquire free state identification for some strange reason. So why are they having trouble obtaining identification since that is what you guys are claiming?

There are many many reasons.

One of the reasons is several red states shut down the places that people were able to go to get ID. They would have been required to travel great distances to get to a DMV location. These are people who obviously don't drive so hopefully it's on a serviced public transportation route. Other areas are so under serviced that the wait times are hours on end. Hours that the working poor would have to take away from work, caring for their kids etc... just to get an ID. Yet another reason is a lot of older black people in the country have unregistered births, particularly in the south. They were born at home through midwives etc... and their births were never formally registered.

What all of those things do is serve to discourage people from bothering. Make it as inconvenient as possible and put up enough hoops they need to jump through and you will convince enough to just not even try.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

How about a compromise? Free or pocket change kind of cost for the ID to vote. ID required for all voting, places that issues the ID should not run an average wait time of more than 30 minutes.
Everyone who signs up for State aid or Tuition is automatically enrolled to vote as an Independent since their info has already been vetted.

 

[theeedude]

I fully expect identification to move towards biometrics and similar methods in the future so fskimospy and his ilk will need to come up with some different excuses.

GOP will never let it go to biometrics. This is about making it hard for citizens to vote, and biometrics would make it too easy.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

GOP will never let it go to biometrics. This is about making it hard for citizens to vote, and biometrics would make it too easy.

That and the far right would never let that type of data be on file with the government.

Edit: Yeah I'm going to both sides this and change this to many on both sides would never want their data on file with the government.

 

[theeedude]

That and the far right would never let that type of data be on file with the government.

Edit: Yeah I'm going to both sides this and change this to many on both sides would never want their data on file with the government.

I don't see the right protesting police collection and keeping of DNA from people who haven't been charged with anything.

 

[Paladin3]

Most of the people I know who are against the current voter ID push are so due to the very strict nature of what is allowed to be used. You can get a job, social assistance, hell just about anything that needs ID without the same issues due to the vast array of what is accepted to validate your identity.

But for some reason the laws that get passed are incredibly narrow in what will be permitted to vote. I've brought it up a few times in this thread and been ignored on it but if the ID I have is enough to get a job and pay taxes than it should be enough for me to vote my representation.

I'll admit I haven't read any of the proposed voter ID laws, but I was assuming that any form of ID that is currently accepted would satisfy their requirements. Anything from list A or B:

https://hr.harvard.edu/files/humanresources/files/i-9document.pdf

If not, that's just further evidence that voter ID laws are bullpoop.

 

[Paladin3]

I don't see the right protesting police collection and keeping of DNA from people who haven't been charged with anything.

Sarcasm?