Texas State Board of Education votes to erase Hillary Clinton from history curriculum

[pmv]

I wonder who you are, but you seem kind of paranoid.

Hillary Clinton is not worthy to be in general history book, no more than Pat Nixon. Of all there is to learn about American history, all its facets and major figures through time, you honestly think a bunch of teens have to be taught about first ladies too? Why?

Would that also include putting Melania Trump and Barbara Bush in the history books? What about the wife of Millard Fillmore?

No, time is precious and people are free to learn about what they wish on their own time. As far as mainstream studies we need to stick to essentials not minutia.

Pretty sure Barbara Bush is mentioned in 'the history books', albeit probably only a fleeting mention.

I don't really understand the background to this thread. Sounds, from the article, as if the curriculum is based on some sort of 'inspirational' great man theory of history, with specific individuals being studied as role models or something, (and an attempt at 'balance' meaning to include a token 'great woman' or two) and I don't know that I agree with that in the first place.

But I don't see how you could give a narrative account of recent history without mentioning Hilary Clinton. Even if I personally would probably be unable to resist emphasising the negative (e.g. her role in imposing a corrupt leader on Haiti, or in supporting the invasion of Iraq, and generally being yet another American imperialist).

Being the first woman with a real chance at the Presidency is worthy of a mention, at least.

The whole discussion seems to suggest that history teaching in the US, or at least Texas, is entirely politicised in the first place, apparently being some sort of project to indoctrinate future generations in "how to be American".

 

[ch33zw1z]

Pretty sure Barbara Bush is mentioned in 'the history books', albeit probably only a fleeting mention.

I don't really understand the background to this thread. Sounds, from the article, as if the curriculum is based on some sort of 'inspirational' great man theory of history, with specific individuals being studied as role models or something, (and an attempt at 'balance' meaning to include a token 'great woman' or two) and I don't know that I agree with that in the first place.

But I don't see how you could give a narrative account of recent history without mentioning Hilary Clinton. Even if I personally would probably be unable to resist emphasising the negative (e.g. her role in imposing a corrupt leader on Haiti, or in supporting the invasion of Iraq, and generally being yet another American imperialist).

Being the first woman with a real chance at the Presidency is worthy of a mention, at least.

The whole discussion seems to suggest that history teaching in the US, or at least Texas, is entirely politicised in the first place, apparently being some sort of project to indoctrinate future generations in "how to be American".

Yes, this is it right here. In the U.S. we have a factual party and an alternative fact party. Guess which one FDC belongs to. This same party scream "indoctrination" at attempts to change their indoctrination methods. It's projection all....the....way....down.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

They say History repeats itself... Who's to say that Our history books haven't already been watered down with other important historical events and people being removed or never included? There are some who believe the bible itself, all though not techniqually a history book, has passages that where originally written in the scriptures, that have never been included in the actual publication of the bible. IF true, what is the purpose? I suspect the asnwer is the same as it would be for the History books... Just a thought, and something to ponder.

I'm late to the party, but they already have. Grew up in Texas, myself and probably 20% of the people I went to school with had some native American blood in them, and I never even heard mention of the trail of tears in school.

 

[sdifox]

At the very minimum she taught Republicans where Benghazi was.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

At the very minimum she taught Republicans where Benghazi was.

Plus completely ruined this guys internet search results

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Known for: The Drunken Peasants, Eggs 2: Bricks 3, Every Frame a Pause

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[ch33zw1z]

Plus completely ruined this guys internet search results

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Known for: The Drunken Peasants, Eggs 2: Bricks 3, Every Frame a Pause

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Lock her up!!!!

 

[Zorba]

ADL is the equivalent of the NAACP for Jews. Would you object to handing out materials from the NAACP?

If the one Black country in the world was about to flatten an ethnic minority that lived next to them, I'd question how unbiased their material was.

 

[eelw]

Better question, when can we wipe the orange monkey out of recent memories? Sadly he’s earned his part in history as biggest disgrace as a wannabe dictator.

 

[PumpkinCake]

Better question, when can we wipe the orange monkey out of recent memories? Sadly he’s earned his part in history as biggest disgrace as a wannabe dictator.

What exactly did he do that negatively affected your day to day life? Not talking about cnn fake outrage screeching about some protest at the capital. But actual tangible negative impacts?

 

[brycejones]

What exactly did he do that negatively affected your day to day life? Not talking about cnn fake outrage screeching about some protest at the capital. But actual tangible negative impacts?

Your true colors come out a bit more with each post. Please continue to tell us more about yourself.

 

[Zorba]

At the very minimum she taught Republicans where Benghazi was.

I seriously doubt many of the Republicans upset about Benghazi could find it on a map.

 

[Zorba]

What exactly did he do that negatively affected your day to day life? Not talking about cnn fake outrage screeching about some protest at the capital. But actual tangible negative impacts?

Attempting to end democracy in the US affects all of us.

Teaching everyone to distrust science even more affects all of us.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Attempting to end democracy in the US affects all of us.

Teaching everyone to distrust science even more affects all of us.

Adding trillions to the our debt to appease the .01% affects us all. Stacking the courts affects us all, e.g. - see repeal of Roe.

This guy can’t be serious

 

[brycejones]

Adding trillions to the our debt to appease the .01% affects us all. Stacking the courts affects us all, e.g. - see repeal of Roe.

This guys can’t be serious

Remember @PumpkinCake is a "centrist" but Jan 6th was just a "protest". Kind of hard to take that kind of delusion seriously.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Remember @PumpkinCake is a "centrist" but Jan 6th was just a "protest". Kind of hard to take that kind of delusion seriously.

Obvious bias is obvious.

 

[sdifox]

I seriously doubt many of the Republicans upset about Benghazi could find it on a map.

They just have to rewatch Glenn Beck.

 

[Brainonska511]

Bold: Bullshit!

The alternative would not to be in a consensual relations ship for 18 months with him, and say no. I sure the fuck hope you don't teach your daugher, or son, to believe such bullshit, or believe that their only choice is to comply.

It's ammusing that you bring up the point that Clinton denied it, which proven to be a lie, where you seem to believe that means something where your argument is conscerned. It doesn't mean jack shit!

All of it should be included in the history book, except the graphic detailed description of the encounter. You know, how history books are now.. Or do you think history books are written like violent, sexual explite and detailed murder novels?

But a single event doesn't really matter, we aren't talking about leaving out specific events, we are talking about removing the clintons entirely from the history books, or did you miss that fact?

Power dynamics in relationships are a thing. It becomes very difficult to argue that something is completely consensual when it's a boss, a particularly powerful one at that, and a young subordinate. I think it's okay to say what Bill Clinton did re:sex scandal is bad.

 

[HomerJS]

I wonder who you are, but you seem kind of paranoid.

Hillary Clinton is not worthy to be in general history book, no more than Pat Nixon. Of all there is to learn about American history, all its facets and major figures through time, you honestly think a bunch of teens have to be taught about first ladies too? Why?

Would that also include putting Melania Trump and Barbara Bush in the history books? What about the wife of Millard Fillmore?

No, time is precious and people are free to learn about what they wish on their own time. As far as mainstream studies we need to stick to essentials not minutia.

Hilary Clinton deserves as much ink as any other US Senator. And you want to exclude her, why?

I guess that takes us back to the OP

 

[ivwshane]

Attempting to end democracy in the US affects all of us.

Teaching everyone to distrust science even more affects all of us.

Undermining our institutions and ignoring or enabling norms has all had a negative impact on our democracy.

That being said, Trump isn’t the cause, he’s the culmination of decades of Republican propaganda. He’s the embodiment of the modern Republican.

History will be written about him and this time period like it has been with the know nothing party with Jan 6 being the peak of their hubris.

 

[HomerJS]

Do we include bills sex crimes? Including essentially raping the young college intern Monica, as she admitted to in her book. The power dynamic was such that she felt she couldn’t say no to Bill’s blowjobs.

I mean think about it, the most powerful person in the world, with a huge list of “suicided” friends and coworkers tells you to suck his dick. If you say no, are you going to get randomly mugged and murdered (but they don’t take your Rolex just your laptop and usb drives). I’d be hard pressed to say no and have to look over my shoulder for the rest of my life.

Remember my advisory? You claim to be middle of the road yet spout complete bullshit that Bill Clinton "raped" Monica Lewinsky. Even she doesn't make that accusation. In fact, she admitted coming on to him first.

You have betrayed your own claim and will likely be labeled a lying right nut in the future.

BTW - my response has nothing to do with Bill's behavior, it's about yours.

 

[BoomerD]

So…should “them librul textbook companies” rewrite the history books to say that the battle of the Alamo was caused by a group of land-grubbing white people who murdered the local Mexican population as they attempted to drive them off their land, only to lost a fight with the brave soldiers of the Mexican army who came to the defense of the populace?

 

[IronWing]

If the president of the United States, the literal most powerful person in the world, tells you to suck his dick you have no choice but to gobble it up. What’s the alternative?

Thank God she saved the dress. Since he under oath swore he did not have sexual relations with that woman.

Then insisted her giving him a requested blow job and him ramming a cigar in her vagina wasn’t “sexual relations”.

I’m just curious how much you think is okay to include in the history books.

LOL that you think that Bill Clinton’s sex life would be something a millennial would give a rat’s ass about. I didn’t know that closeted boomer was a thing but here you are!

 

[JD50]

Do we include bills sex crimes? Including essentially raping the young college intern Monica, as she admitted to in her book. The power dynamic was such that she felt she couldn’t say no to Bill’s blowjobs.

I mean think about it, the most powerful person in the world, with a huge list of “suicided” friends and coworkers tells you to suck his dick. If you say no, are you going to get randomly mugged and murdered (but they don’t take your Rolex just your laptop and usb drives). I’d be hard pressed to say no and have to look over my shoulder for the rest of my life.

Lol "staunchly in the middle", sure guy.

 

[PumpkinCake]

So…should “them librul textbook companies” rewrite the history books to say that the battle of the Alamo was caused by a group of land-grubbing white people who murdered the local Mexican population as they attempted to drive them off their land, only to lost a fight with the brave soldiers of the Mexican army who came to the defense of the populace?

Yes

Any other educational topic, as things are discovered books are updated. For whatever reason history is the main one that it seems like do not get updated curriculums

 

[PumpkinCake]

Remember my advisory? You claim to be middle of the road yet spout complete bullshit that Bill Clinton "raped" Monica Lewinsky. Even she doesn't make that accusation. In fact, she admitted coming on to him first.

You have betrayed your own claim and will likely be labeled a lying right nut in the future.

BTW - my response has nothing to do with Bill's behavior, it's about yours.

I personally consider it literal rape.

She couldn't say no. This isn't even like, a boss demands a blowie maybe you lose a job. It's the literal President of the United States. If the President tells you to suck a dick, you're sucking that dick. Or else constantly looking over your shoulder for the rest of your life.

What she did say, and it's absolutely correct, is that the power dynamic of the President is so massive that she felt like she had no choice. He held a figurative gun to her head, and raped that poor college girl.