Texas says no gun licenses needed

[Sunburn74]

Texas lawmakers send permit-free gun carrying legislation to governor's desk | CNN Politics

Texas is a step closer to allowing residents to carry handguns in public without obtaining a license or training.

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Absolutely insane. They say mass shootings are due to mental health problems but will take zero steps to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill.

I'm glad I moved out of that backwards states years ago. Good riddance.

 

[blackangst1]

I think theyre the 30th state allowing open carry without a permit.

 

[theeedude]

Thoughts and prayers.

 

[MrSquished]

Imagine a country with the most gun violence by far of any other modern western democracy and a huge part of that population not being able to tie that into the fact that half the country treats guns like candy. Buy 'em whenever, carry them wherever, have no training for them at all.

 

[Linux23]

Texas lawmakers send permit-free gun carrying legislation to governor's desk | CNN Politics

Texas is a step closer to allowing residents to carry handguns in public without obtaining a license or training.

www.google.com

Absolutely insane. They say mass shootings are due to mental health problems but will take zero steps to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill.

I'm glad I moved out of that backwards states years ago. Good riddance.

This is America, Jack.

"Cleo McDowell"

 

[ch33zw1z]

I think theyre the 30th state allowing open carry without a permit.

Article says 19.

"So far this year, five other states -- Iowa, Tennessee, Montana, Utah and Wyoming -- have passed legislation allowing some form of permitless carry. Nineteen states allow permitless carry or have laws set to go into effect in the coming months, Cassandra Crifasi, the deputy director for the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Violence Prevention and Policy, previously told CNN."

 

[blackangst1]

Article says 19.

"So far this year, five other states -- Iowa, Tennessee, Montana, Utah and Wyoming -- have passed legislation allowing some form of permitless carry. Nineteen states allow permitless carry or have laws set to go into effect in the coming months, Cassandra Crifasi, the deputy director for the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Violence Prevention and Policy, previously told CNN."

Ah. Thought it was 30. No worries.

 

[sandorski]

How long before High Noon becomes a time for shooting?

Don't impugn my honour, sir!

 

[Fenixgoon]

I think theyre the 30th state allowing open carry without a permit.

And it's a dumbass idea because it goes against a societal norm

 

[eelw]

Again as a Canadian, don't get why Americans value gun rights above basically above everything else. Such a backward nation.

 

[balloonshark]

I have an idea of how to predict the likelihood of gun violence but no practical way to implement it. As I watch dash cam videos I see people with road rage all the time. If a person is willing to use their 2 ton vehicle as a weapon then they can't handle the responsibility of owning a lethal weapon like a gun wouldn't you agree? Now we just need to install hidden cams in cars and disarm these neanderthals.

 

[MtnMan]

Texas lawmakers send permit-free gun carrying legislation to governor's desk | CNN Politics

Texas is a step closer to allowing residents to carry handguns in public without obtaining a license or training.

www.google.com

Absolutely insane. They say mass shootings are due to mental health problems but will take zero steps to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill.

I'm glad I moved out of that backwards states years ago. Good riddance.

That's making the assumption that people who would be the shooter in a mass shooting simply don't because there are laws that prevent them from carrying a gun. How is that working?

Currently, 21 states have what is often called constitutional carry laws, meaning you do not have to have a permit to carry a concealed gun. Many more states allow open carry without a permit, mine included. These are not the mass shooters.

Check your local news outlets and look for any gun related arrests. Most are going to be "felon in possession of a fire arm", which is illegal in all 50 states. Now please site examples of where a law has stopped a criminal from breaking the law? I'll wait.

 

[HomerJS]

That's making the assumption that people who would be the shooter in a mass shooting simply don't because there are laws that prevent them from carrying a gun. How is that working?

Currently, 21 states have what is often called constitutional carry laws, meaning you do not have to have a permit to carry a concealed gun. Many more states allow open carry without a permit, mine included. These are not the mass shooters.

Check your local news outlets and look for any gun related arrests. Most are going to be "felon in possession of a fire arm", which is illegal in all 50 states. Now please site examples of where a law has stopped a criminal from breaking the law? I'll wait.

Give us one reason why this is a good idea. One reason besides "my freedumbs"

 

[Juiblex]

That's making the assumption that people who would be the shooter in a mass shooting simply don't because there are laws that prevent them from carrying a gun. How is that working?

Currently, 21 states have what is often called constitutional carry laws, meaning you do not have to have a permit to carry a concealed gun. Many more states allow open carry without a permit, mine included. These are not the mass shooters.

Check your local news outlets and look for any gun related arrests. Most are going to be "felon in possession of a fire arm", which is illegal in all 50 states. Now please site examples of where a law has stopped a criminal from breaking the law? I'll wait.

You sir win this thread.

 

[Muse]

Texas lawmakers send permit-free gun carrying legislation to governor's desk | CNN Politics

Texas is a step closer to allowing residents to carry handguns in public without obtaining a license or training.

www.google.com

Absolutely insane. They say mass shootings are due to mental health problems but will take zero steps to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill.

I'm glad I moved out of that backwards states years ago. Good riddance.

Aw gosh, have ya'll ever seen a real Texan who wouldn't look better with a cowboy hat, shit kickers and a gunn on thar hip? Lizens? Doncha be silly. They're jess fon.

 

[MtnMan]

Give us one reason why this is a good idea. One reason besides "my freedumbs"

I didn't say it was a good idea. The point is, it's not a problem. It will not cause anyone to become a mass shooter, and possibly prevent one because someone that can legally carry a gun may be there to stop them. It happens, and it never gets any media coverage.

It's not a problem in the 21 states that allow permit-less concealed carry, or the other states that allow permit-less open carry.

OBTW, freeDUMBS are stuff like not wearing a mask where mandated, or not getting vaccinated because it actually protects other.

 

[MrSquished]

That's making the assumption that people who would be the shooter in a mass shooting simply don't because there are laws that prevent them from carrying a gun. How is that working?

Currently, 21 states have what is often called constitutional carry laws, meaning you do not have to have a permit to carry a concealed gun. Many more states allow open carry without a permit, mine included. These are not the mass shooters.

Check your local news outlets and look for any gun related arrests. Most are going to be "felon in possession of a fire arm", which is illegal in all 50 states. Now please site examples of where a law has stopped a criminal from breaking the law? I'll wait.

The majority of the biggest mass shooters all had their guns legally. Virginia Tech. Legally bought by him. Las Vegas. Legally bought. El Paso, legally bought. Boulder. Legally bought. Atlanta Asian shootings. Legally bought. Virginia Beach. Legally bought and carried. Pittsburgh. Legally bought and a carry license. Parkland. Legally bought. Orlando. Legally bought and carried. Etc...etc... And in the case of the long gun shooters, legally carried in some of those states. Probably in some of the handgun ones.

The most common theme about mass shooters is their weapons were all legally bought, and in many cases, legally carried.

You don't know what you are talking about. At all. Like most gun nuts, clueless.

 

[MrSquished]

That's making the assumption that people who would be the shooter in a mass shooting simply don't because there are laws that prevent them from carrying a gun. How is that working?

Currently, 21 states have what is often called constitutional carry laws, meaning you do not have to have a permit to carry a concealed gun. Many more states allow open carry without a permit, mine included. These are not the mass shooters.

Check your local news outlets and look for any gun related arrests. Most are going to be "felon in possession of a fire arm", which is illegal in all 50 states. Now please site examples of where a law has stopped a criminal from breaking the law? I'll wait.

Also, please tell us why in America, of all first world developed Western Democracies, do we have so much gun violence compared to any others?

Does it have anything to do with extremely lax gun laws in so much of the country? We have the most 'good guys with guns' here argument than anywhere else, yet the most gun violence by a million miles.

Please, I await your enlightened response.

 

[MtnMan]

The majority of the biggest mass shooters all had their guns legally. Virginia Tech. Legally bought by him. Las Vegas. Legally bought. El Paso, legally bought. Boulder. Legally bought. Atlanta Asian shootings. Legally bought.. Etc...etc... And in the case of the long gun shooters, legally carried in some of those states. Probably in some of the handgun ones.

The most common theme about mass shooters is their weapons were all legally bought.

You don't know what you are talking about. At all.

Where did I mention the "purchase" of guns? How does the new Texas law have any effect on a persons' ability to purchase a gun?

Where did I say it was even a good idea?

Yes, the majority of mass shooters obtained their firearms legally. A higher percentage of people who murdered people by use of a weapon other than a firearm, knives, baseball bats, hammers, vehicles, etc. also obtained them legally.

 

[MrSquished]

Where did I mention the "purchase" of guns? How does the new Texas law have any effect on a persons' ability to purchase a gun?

Yes, the majority of mass shooters obtained their firearms legally. A higher percentage of people who murdered people by use of a weapon other than a firearm, knives, baseball bats, hammers, vehicles, etc. also obtained them legally.

In many cases they carried them legally too.

The gist of your argument is that 'laws' don't stop criminals, and you specifically pointed out mass shootings.

The fact is most mass shooters not only get their weapons legally, they carry them legally too.

People like you making statements that imply legal gun ownership is not the issue with gun violence is dumb. If it weren't for all the sell guns like candy laws in half the country, we wouldn't have the gun violence we have today. Please tackle that issue.

 

[Zorba]

Again as a Canadian, don't get why Americans value gun rights above basically above everything else. Such a backward nation.

Remember, the same people that aint scared of COVID, are scared shitless of being attacked on the street.

 

[Zorba]

I didn't say it was a good idea. The point is, it's not a problem. It will not cause anyone to become a mass shooter, and possibly prevent one because someone that can legally carry a gun may be there to stop them. It happens, and it never gets any media coverage.

It's not a problem in the 21 states that allow permit-less concealed carry, or the other states that allow permit-less open carry.

I'm just going to guess the dark blue states on this map corresponds to looser gun laws and training requirements:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

I'm not against permitless carry because I think permit prevent mass shootings, but I think training helps prevent accidental gun deaths which kills far more in a year than mass shootings.

 

[MtnMan]

The gist of your argument is that 'laws' don't stop criminals, and you specifically pointed out mass shootings.

So I'm curious if you have any evidence that laws actually stop criminals. Hint: they're criminals.

The fact is most mass shooters not only get their weapons legally, they carry them legally too.

Probably not, they carry them into places where guns are prohibited. Schools, malls, work places that don't permit guns, etc.

People like you making statements that imply legal gun ownership is not the issue with gun violence is dumb. If it weren't for all the sell guns like candy laws in half the country, we wouldn't have the gun violence we have today. Please tackle that issue.

But back to my question you failed to answer... how does the new Texas law change the ability of anyone in Texas to buy a firearm?

OBTW, there is a process to purchase guns in this country. It requires a NICS check (FBI), for a seller to sell anyone a firearm. Some states have even stricter requirements, especially for handguns.

In the Dylan Roof case (Charleston church shooter), the system failed, because the system failed.

You don't know what you are talking about. At all. Like most gun nuts, clueless.

The fact I own and carry a gun, legally with a permit, does not make me a gun nut, but I suspect you might be borderline anti-gun nut

Good day sir....

 

[rommelrommel]

I don’t see how going from a usually under $100 permit that they must issue to anyone who asks that isn’t a felon or otherwise legally disqualified to not needing said permit will drive more gun violence.

Easy access to guns plus a high level of inequality, poor health care on average, racism, etc will drive violence. Guns on their own, not very much.

 

[HomerJS]

I didn't say it was a good idea. The point is, it's not a problem. It will not cause anyone to become a mass shooter, and possibly prevent one because someone that can legally carry a gun may be there to stop them. It happens, and it never gets any media coverage.

It's not a problem in the 21 states that allow permit-less concealed carry, or the other states that allow permit-less open carry.

OBTW, freeDUMBS are stuff like not wearing a mask where mandated, or not getting vaccinated because it actually protects other.

So it isn't a good idea that's why it is a good idea for Texas to enact? Explain that to us again?