Texas says no gun licenses needed

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If 10 thousand armed black people showed up at the capitol in Austin open carry would be illegal the next week.
Nope. There would be 9,999 dead black folk and open carry would be expanded in Austin.
 

MtnMan

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I'm not trying to misquote you. I just responded directly to your quote
Then stop saying I said shit that I didn't say... kapish?

Let's clarify...

Is the new law a good idea or a bad idea?
It's a bad idea.

The reasoning; people untrained, that don't know the laws regarding the use of deadly force, or have even proved proficiency with a firearm. I went through all of that to get my carry permit.

Texas is now moving to make it harder to vote while at the same time making it easier to obtain and carry firearms. Even driving requires some training. Apparently they think it's not necessary for guns.
That's verging on "but her emails" diversion. Why not bring up their piss poor regulation of their electrical power system also?
 

rommelrommel

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"Constitutional" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Lack of Regulation seems odd for an Amendment that specifically mentions "well regulated" as part of the rationalization in enshrining the Right in the first place.

At the time, well regulated didn’t mean subject to laws but more well disciplined.

Anyways, I think there’s lots that can be done to reduce violent deaths in the US and wasting political capital on the fringes like this probably isn’t a good fight.
 

nOOky

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I went through classes to obtain my CC permit. I was also in the military, where we received small arms training. Some people would still call me a "gun nut" despite doing everything legally to purchase a pistol and to be able to carry it concealed. If you consider the current laws in order to buy a pistol, must be 21 years old, pass a background check, etc. it amuses me that the uneducated think we are all walking around foaming at the mouth waiting to cap someone's ass.

That could not be farther from the truth, but again, lots of misinformation floating around. I don't frequent gun forums, as they seem to be filled with Trump-humping fucking militaristic nutjobs. But some of the reasonable manufacturer forums and Facebook pages I am on are entirely in favor of rigorous training in order to obtain such a thing as a CCW permit. Idiots that run around untrained and thinking they are now free to fire at will only make responsible gun owners look bad, and further perpetuate the myths in the minds of those already vehemently against firearms of any type.

I am 100% against Constitutional carry. I firmly believe in education and training, and weeding out those that shouldn't own a firearm. I'd like to see firearms classes be brought back into schools as an elective. Some kids never receive proper training, or even the ability to hold a gun and at least learn whether they are interested in not. It's all about education, and the education can be non-political, in fact it should be.
 

Zorba

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I went through classes to obtain my CC permit. I was also in the military, where we received small arms training. Some people would still call me a "gun nut" despite doing everything legally to purchase a pistol and to be able to carry it concealed. If you consider the current laws in order to buy a pistol, must be 21 years old, pass a background check, etc. it amuses me that the uneducated think we are all walking around foaming at the mouth waiting to cap someone's ass.

That could not be farther from the truth, but again, lots of misinformation floating around. I don't frequent gun forums, as they seem to be filled with Trump-humping fucking militaristic nutjobs. But some of the reasonable manufacturer forums and Facebook pages I am on are entirely in favor of rigorous training in order to obtain such a thing as a CCW permit. Idiots that run around untrained and thinking they are now free to fire at will only make responsible gun owners look bad, and further perpetuate the myths in the minds of those already vehemently against firearms of any type.

I am 100% against Constitutional carry. I firmly believe in education and training, and weeding out those that shouldn't own a firearm. I'd like to see firearms classes be brought back into schools as an elective. Some kids never receive proper training, or even the ability to hold a gun and at least learn whether they are interested in not. It's all about education, and the education can be non-political, in fact it should be.
Nice strawman mixed with victimhood. No one claims all gun owners are irresponsible, but a shit ton of them are.
 

HomerJS

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Then stop saying I said shit that I didn't say... kapish?


It's a bad idea.

The reasoning; people untrained, that don't know the laws regarding the use of deadly force, or have even proved proficiency with a firearm. I went through all of that to get my carry permit.


That's verging on "but her emails" diversion. Why not bring up their piss poor regulation of their electrical power system also?
Apparently having their guns is more important to Texas then everyone having the right to vote and an adequate electrical grid.

Maybe they could have shot themselves in the head instead of slowly freezing to deal while more Republicans are voted into office.

Everybody's happy.

BTW - It's fine you demand that I not misquote but please read a little more carefully before spouting off.

Here is what I said
Give us one reason why this is a good idea. One reason besides "my freedumbs"

I was asking for an opinion why this law is a good idea, not quoting you
 
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Sunburn74

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Really you use a country of just over 1 million people as the model to follow?

Wealthiest and most powerful? Well yes and no. Our per-capita GDP is 5th in the world, however that "most powerful" crap makes that a fucking joke. The US spends 39% of ALL military spending on the planet. We are like the man with a new $80,000 pickup in parked beside his single-wide trailer with a house full of hungry kids because he can't afford food.

We squander that wealth by spending more than the next 15 countries combined, including China and Russia. We really are a poor country, and the fact we don't have healthcare is proof. Our education system is a sick fucking joke, and the country's infrastructure is a fucking disaster.

But her emails...
But he has a gun...

Are nothing but a fucking diversion from actually admitting the country is chin deep in a cesspool, and the guns are irrelevant.
So basically because we have other problems it means we can't do anything about gun violence. Got it.

Because Estonia and other countries don't have other problems and that's why they solved their gun violence issues. It was the only problem facing them and now they are perfect countries.
 

Sunburn74

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I had to take a drivers exam to get my license to be on the road. Should we require gun training to prevent assholes like many in this thread from blowing my brains out because they can?
Well everyone knows that cars don't kill people, people kill people so therefore no one should have to take a test and cars should be unregulated entirely. I mean at the end of the day nothing can be done to prevent one driver from deciding to kill another driver and so it's all pointless and not even worth trying because car deaths are all due to mental health problems anyway in this country which is the real Boogeyman to go after. Am I right?
 
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sportage

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I truly believe that the republicans want us all to kill each other. I'm convinced that republicans in congress, and the governors, they want us all to simply kill one another. Either death from a gun or death from a pandemic, but whatever the method they want us to just do it. Die die die America. Blow them brains out, blow you neighbors brains out, blow your families brains out, then turn the gun on yourself. Appears like that's the plan, and the plan is going quite well as if we haven't noticed.
 

Artorias

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I went through classes to obtain my CC permit. I was also in the military, where we received small arms training. Some people would still call me a "gun nut" despite doing everything legally to purchase a pistol and to be able to carry it concealed. If you consider the current laws in order to buy a pistol, must be 21 years old, pass a background check, etc. it amuses me that the uneducated think we are all walking around foaming at the mouth waiting to cap someone's ass.

That could not be farther from the truth, but again, lots of misinformation floating around. I don't frequent gun forums, as they seem to be filled with Trump-humping fucking militaristic nutjobs. But some of the reasonable manufacturer forums and Facebook pages I am on are entirely in favor of rigorous training in order to obtain such a thing as a CCW permit. Idiots that run around untrained and thinking they are now free to fire at will only make responsible gun owners look bad, and further perpetuate the myths in the minds of those already vehemently against firearms of any type.

I am 100% against Constitutional carry. I firmly believe in education and training, and weeding out those that shouldn't own a firearm. I'd like to see firearms classes be brought back into schools as an elective. Some kids never receive proper training, or even the ability to hold a gun and at least learn whether they are interested in not. It's all about education, and the education can be non-political, in fact it should be.

I think you are on to something about teaching it in school however I think that form of academic training falls short.

America needs forced military conscription for youth turning 18+ like other countries, granted anyone pursing higher education should be excluded. Military service teaches a lot of life lessons that cannot be taught in school. If you want it to not be political the army is best way to go.
 

woolfe9998

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In 1996 Australia banned and bought back many types of guns. Gun related murder and suicide has gone down, but overall murder and suicide are rates are virtually unchanged, with suicide actually going up.

Criminals ain't going to change, and disarming honest citizens only empowers criminals. There are many self-defense uses of firearms, they just don't get the headlines, or the hysteria from anti-gun nuts.

Not really. Did you read your own link? Because you describe the data displayed in it incorrectly. What actually happened is that after 1996, both firearm homicides and firearm suicides went down, while non-firearm homicides went down slightly and non-firearm suicides stayed about the same. Just look at figures 1, 2 and 3.

This undermines your point, which is that when you make guns less available, people simply turn to other means. Apparently they do not, says the data you linked.
 
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Nice strawman mixed with victimhood. No one claims all gun owners are irresponsible, but a shit ton of them are.
Also, everyone is a Responsible Gun Owner™, until they do something they shouldn't; when that happens, they are immediately and retroactively disowned by the other Responsible Gun Owners™, and the denial continues.
 
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Zorba

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Goddamn you're dense lol.
Cool story bro, keep on crying about how the "uneducated" feel about your guns.

I mean, I agree that isn't your whole post, just the part I cared to respond to.
 
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nickqt

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If we ban all guns, it'll solve the economic and mental health issues that create almost all gun violence.

Just look at how banning drugs has worked.

Keep on keepin' on.
 
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weblooker2021

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Hopefully sometimes in 2022, SCOTUS will rule that being able to be armed in public is a right and not a privilege, i am looking at you California and New York.
 

Jaskalas

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Give us one reason why this is a good idea. One reason besides "my freedumbs"

Because they have a right to live and you assault that when you tell them they shouldn't be allowed to be armed to defend themselves.
The fear of guns leads to the arms race to have more guns.
You know this.

The challenge is having to assuage the fear and instill a sense of confidence that society can be disarmed and "government" can better protect them.

Other aspects of this topic are a facade and only serve as a distraction and (really) just a complete waste of everyone's time.
 

Sunburn74

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Imagine wanting to carry a gun to go grocery shopping, and thinking, this is the advancd civilization we aspire to be.

What a bunch of shit eating douchenozzles these people are.
Indeed. In a perfect world, you would need to walk around armed to the teeth according to these people. They basically want society to look like something out of mad max or an old western.

If we ban all guns, it'll solve the economic and mental health issues that create almost all gun violence.

Just look at how banning drugs has worked.

Keep on keepin' on.

When I read a story about fat older white men giving blow jobs in back alleys and walking the streets in skimpy outfits late at night in order to get guns, I'll agree with you that guns and drugs are the same.