Texas man refuses to teach handgun safety to Muslims and Obama Voters

[RampantAndroid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4OE78spknk&feature=player_embedded

People have complained to S&W about this double fire since the gun was released. S&W maintains its from pulling the trigger twice. Check out the video though.

Unsure though if your story is true.

Good grief. Props to her not getting hit in the face by it. With my 44, I cannot imagine firing it twice so easily. But the 500 is the same gun as the 460 - same frame, bored for .50...and I've never seen the 460 do that.

 

[davmat787]

The best is the story about a girl shooting the guy behind her with an S&W 500:

Boyfriend and his friends thought seeing his girlfriend shoot the 500 would be funny. Loaded the 500 with 5 rounds, handed it over (go look up the size of the 500. If you've shot a .44 loaded with hot rounds, or a 460, you know what a 500 will be like.) Girl fired gun. Muzzle flip caused gun to rise over her head. Kept going until it was pointed behind her. Instinctively trying to control it, she was pulling back on it. And squeezing it. The trigger reset, and she fired a second round. Boyfriend didn't have an open casket funeral.

It's lore a the local range in Bellevue, unsure if it's true, but it's somewhat believable. Guns, like power tools, need a healthy dose of fear, and a huge helping of common sense.

Oh, it is true. My friend ended up picking some skull fragments out of the range lane separators that was missed.

My friend (Lonnie L, may he RIP) worked at that range (Wade's Eastside) when that happened and was there at the time. Very ugly incident, and the boyfriend obviously should never have let her shoot such a powerful firearm as a first timer, and secondly should never have been standing where he was from what I remember.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Oh, it is true. My friend ended up picking some skull fragments out of the range lane separators that was missed.

My friend (Lonnie L, may he RIP) worked at that range (Wade's Eastside) when that happened and was there at the time. Very ugly incident, and the boyfriend obviously should never have let her shoot such a powerful firearm as a first timer, and secondly should never have been standing where he was from what I remember.

Yup, Wades is where I heard it happened. Well, interesting to know it's true. Sad that the girlfriend was put through that.

If you want to handle a gun you don't know, ONE round goes in. No more. Rule I follow when people play with my magnums.

 

[davmat787]

Yup, Wades is where I heard it happened. Well, interesting to know it's true. Sad that the girlfriend was put through that.

If you want to handle a gun you don't know, ONE round goes in. No more. Rule I follow when people play with my magnums.

A few articles regarding the incident, it was actually the third shot that accidentally killed the boyfriend. Not much info in these, but here they are regardless.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19970522&slug=2540601
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19970502&slug=2536936

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

It's his business. It is his right to provide this service to who he wishes. It is not your call.

Obviously, as a troll yourself, reading TFA would be way to hard for you right?

If you had bothered, you would know the answer to your question. And unsurprisingly, you are wrong, yet again.

but why bother reading the facts, when you can just troll away?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Since liberals are so keen on licenses and training.. we should have a license to have a child and training for that. If there is anything that does massive damage to society its stupid parents. Then again, most of those people become Democrats so they really don't care.

What an insightful post on the OP...oh wait, thats right, it's FNE, all he can do is troll off-topic, since he is incapable of talking about real issues.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

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Noooo. Hit save to soon

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4OE78spknk&feature=player_embedded

People have complained to S&W about this double fire since the gun was released. S&W maintains its from pulling the trigger twice. Check out the video though.

Unsure though if your story is true.

If you know how a revolver works, it can't double fire unless you pull the trigger twice. The trigger is what cocks the hammer, and turns the cylinder.
When the hammer of a revolver falls and sets off a round the cylinder stays put. The trigger has to be pulled (on a double action gun) to cock the hammer again AND rotate the cylinder to the next round that would be live.

What happens in these situations, I've seen people do it myself, is they pull the trigger they are not prepared for the recoil a gun of that caliber is going to have, and they flench and pull the trigger again. I've seen several target carrier motors that have been shot because of this.

 

[Rainsford]

No, I would not be wrong on my opinion that the State does not have the authority to direct who we teach, like, or how we run our businesses. You are right that the State tried to do this all the time. Doesn't make it right.

Obviously you can't be "wrong" about what you think the State should or should not be able to do. But have you considered that the concept of a "business" as an entity is created by the State and this legal recognition conveys a lot of benefits to people who run businesses? It seems to me like this gives the government a fair amount of interest and authority in deciding how businesses are run.

Personally you are definitely entitled to associate with whoever you want. But if you're going to claim the benefits of legal recognition of your business, it seems reasonable to play by the rules the government sets.

 

[Rainsford]

And he can sue them and win. As a private business he can refuse service to whoever he wants based on whatever he wants.
It's ironic that liberals want acceptance of all, yet they won't accept people that have beliefs that don't mesh with their own.

This guy can run his business any way he wants. If you don't like him excersising his 1st Amendment Rights perhaps you and those that don't like him are the ones with the real problem.

The State of Texas could try (they really wont, they'll just a show on) to revoke it, but it would be a violation of his 1st Amendment rights.
Know a few trainers that have been down this road already.

Where in the first amendment does it say that a business can't be required to serve customers in a non-discriminatory manner?

Now if this guy was just talking a lot of trash about Muslims and liberals, that would be protected speech. Discriminating in who he teaches based on a protected trait (religious belief) is not speech, and it's not a protected right.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Where in the first amendment does it say that a business can't be required to serve customers in a non-discriminatory manner?

Now if this guy was just talking a lot of trash about Muslims and liberals, that would be protected speech. Discriminating in who he teaches based on a protected trait (religious belief) is not speech, and it's not a protected right.

If you run a business, you can refuse to serve ANYONE. Period.

If you know how a revolver works, it can't double fire unless you pull the trigger twice. The trigger is what cocks the hammer, and turns the cylinder.
When the hammer of a revolver falls and sets off a round the cylinder stays put. The trigger has to be pulled (on a double action gun) to cock the hammer again AND rotate the cylinder to the next round that would be live.

What happens in these situations, I've seen people do it myself, is they pull the trigger they are not prepared for the recoil a gun of that caliber is going to have, and they flench and pull the trigger again. I've seen several target carrier motors that have been shot because of this.

Yeah - and on my .44, the DA trigger pull is heavy...not light. I'm surprised they're able to double pull it so easily.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If you are refusing to rent to them based on gender, race, religion, or several other things (with some exceptions) you can and should most certainly be stopped. Since I personally have never tried to rent from you I would not be able to sue you for it because I would lack standing, but you are placing yourself in legal jeopardy.

Yep. "I'm sorry but I won't rent to you because you are black" isn't legal nor should it be. We got rid of "you ride in the back of the bus" stuff and good riddence to it.

 

[Nemesis 1]

The best is the story about a girl shooting the guy behind her with an S&W 500:

Boyfriend and his friends thought seeing his girlfriend shoot the 500 would be funny. Loaded the 500 with 5 rounds, handed it over (go look up the size of the 500. If you've shot a .44 loaded with hot rounds, or a 460, you know what a 500 will be like.) Girl fired gun. Muzzle flip caused gun to rise over her head. Kept going until it was pointed behind her. Instinctively trying to control it, she was pulling back on it. And squeezing it. The trigger reset, and she fired a second round. Boyfriend didn't have an open casket funeral.

It's lore a the local range in Bellevue, unsure if it's true, but it's somewhat believable. Guns, like power tools, need a healthy dose of fear, and a huge helping of common sense.

So true a 1/2" milwaukee if it catches steel will tear ya a new ass hole . I seen I guy get spun around like a top breaking arm and wrist .

 

[Nemesis 1]

Yep. "I'm sorry but I won't rent to you because you are black" isn't legal nor should it be. We got rid of "you ride in the back of the bus" stuff and good riddence to it.

You don't have to give a reason . Ya just say its all ready rented befor any other talk . But thats not what I was referring to . I have seen how bad renters normally the poor take care of others personnal property . $15,OOO in damages and a year to get them thrown out.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Given the choice between a clean and neat black family and a white one which smelled like crap which would you choose? What if the situation was reversed?

That's the thing. If the concern is about how someone may treat your property based on the fact they appear careless then that's one thing, however if race was the issue then there is no love from me. I am however not naive and understand that well intended laws sometimes are misused and charges of racism are unfairly made. I would have to know the particulars in a given instance, but the general principle of discrimination just on the basis of race isn't something I'd approve of.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

If you run a business, you can refuse to serve ANYONE. Period.



Yeah - and on my .44, the DA trigger pull is heavy...not light. I'm surprised they're able to double pull it so easily.

You are absolutely right. If you ignore what has been demonstrated repeatedly in this thread that you can't discriminate based on religion (or many other factors) you're dead on.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

If you run a business, you can refuse to serve ANYONE. Period.

Nope.

Does anyone actually learn about the laws involved before posting? I mean really, do you really want to look incredibly ignorant because you can't spend 2min googling the facts?

These are basic concepts of US law, it's not rocket science.

 

[BladeVenom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4OE78spknk&feature=player_embedded

People have complained to S&W about this double fire since the gun was released. S&W maintains its from pulling the trigger twice. Check out the video though.

Hadn't seen that before. Here's a few more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCzOLEoko6o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4y9bhkYF9E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWcEu0pqaco

 

[davmat787]

Hadn't seen that before. Here's a few more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCzOLEoko6o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4y9bhkYF9E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWcEu0pqaco

I watched the first one, I want to say that is downright criminal to put such a heavy recoiling firearm in the hands of someone that does not know what they are up for. It looks like she was holding it tentatively to begin with, which is the last thing you want to do with something like that. Very irresponsible, and you can tell the guys are anticipating her shitting her pants from the recoil, in other words, they knew she wouldn't be able to handle it correctly. WTF?

 

[umbrella39]

Actually, he doesn't have that right. Didn't you read the thread, flower mound?

To be fair it must be hard to read the threads all the way up there on that post with that turtle on top of him...

 

[dawp]

You don't have to give a reason . Ya just say its all ready rented befor any other talk . But thats not what I was referring to . I have seen how bad renters normally the poor take care of others personnal property . $15,OOO in damages and a year to get them thrown out.

You can be sued if the person suspects the reason was for race, religion and so forth. If you have multiple properties or past tenants and none are black, muslim, disabled or whatever and they research and find that out, you will lose. property ownership is public record and easy enough to find out.

you can claim whatever you want but it's up to the courts to decide if you are telling the truth.

 

[sandorski]

What an idiot. Everyone know that liberals wouldn't be taking that class anyways and every Muslim has a TNT Vest in the closet!

Texas, home of the big Fail.

 

[JSt0rm]

smart texan. He will have classes full of old angry crackers.

 

[JulesMaximus]

He's a worthless piece of shit. Fuck him.

 

[Nebor]

smart texan. He will have classes full of old angry crackers.

.... I've never had a CHL class with anything else. Though one time I had a crazy Serbian war vet in my class. He kept asking the instructor if he could shoot people. (In heavy accent) "So, if I come out of store, and someone is touching my motorcycle, I can shoot them, yes?" He brought a Desert Eagle as his qualification weapon. And one time, during a break, one of the women in the class asked him if he drove here from Serbia. :biggrin: That was at the Texas Handgun Academy in Dallas, around 2005.