GuitarDaddy
Lifer
- Nov 9, 2004
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Welcome to the last 50yrs. Try and find a year where Texas didn't lead the nation in executions, we don't play with killa's down here. Good ole boy "eye for an eye" justice
oh and 26 executions for texas is actually low, i think in bushes peak they were doing 150 a year or something ridiculous.
thraashman
Lifer
- Apr 10, 2000
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I think of it more like, why does a human being deserve to die but an undeveloped mass of flesh deserve to be protected? Should we start protecting tumors as well?
And if you're gonna have an eye for an eye, who's eyes should we take for any time we've executed a person who was later proven innocent? Maybe every citizen of the state who allowed it should give an eye. No one human life is worth another. And no one, including the state, has the right to take a human life.
We love our freedom in Texas, and we have the most freedom here of any state in the union.
Unfortunately with freedom comes those who choose to abuse it. So they pay the price.
Unfortunately with freedom comes those who choose to abuse it. So they pay the price.
BoberFett
Lifer
- Oct 9, 1999
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You make the mistake of assuming everyone put to death is a murderer. The "justice" system in this country is a sham. It's based on prosecutors trying to make a name for themselves as tough on crime to get them a seat on the bench, and police forces that are often more interested in numbers than finding the true criminals.
The number of people who were railroaded by the system only to be later exonerated due to additional evidence keep growing. Until we can perfect our justice system (yeah right...) the death penalty is too permanent a punishment. When society executes an innocent man, we're just as guilty as the real criminals.
Vic
Elite Member
- Jun 12, 2001
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I fully agree with this. The difference being that I feel the same way even when society just imprisons an innocent man, or fines him unfairly, seizes his property without proper compensation, and so forth. Such injustices, if never righted, are just as permanent as any unjust death sentence.
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: loki8481
there were 41 executions in 2007... over half of which were in Texas (26).
the next highest states -- Oklahoma and Alabama -- are tied with 3.
so what's up with TX?
How many spoke English?
All of them spoke english.
Majority were white (12), black (8) Hispanic (6)
Read about them here Inmates Executed
JD50
Lifer
- Sep 4, 2005
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I agree with you, I don't like the death penalty all that much because of the state of our justice system. But, trying to say that it is hypocritical to be for the death penalty but against abortion is idiotic. I might not agree with the anti abortion folks, but I can understand where they are coming from.
spacejamz
Lifer
- Mar 31, 2003
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So every convicted murderer is an innocent flower who should be released immediately so they can help your grandmother cross the street on their way to some activity that contributes to the betterment of society.
I wonder how many people here who are against the death penalty would change their tune if their spouse, their children or some other loved one was brutally murdered (car jacked, home invasion, or some other crime where the killer made the choice to pull the trigger or use a knife) in front of their eyes...no one can actually say how they would react until it actually happens to them.
I wonder how many people here who are against the death penalty would change their tune if their spouse, their children or some other loved one was brutally murdered (car jacked, home invasion, or some other crime where the killer made the choice to pull the trigger or use a knife) in front of their eyes...no one can actually say how they would react until it actually happens to them.
3chordcharlie
Diamond Member
- Mar 30, 2004
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That's why there is a 'justice' system. Just because you want someone dead, doesn't make it 'justice'.
By your logic, a killer should keep killing until no one still alive wants him dead.
1. Killing the criminal won't bring back the victims. It's a useless act of vengence.
2. It costs more to process a convicted criminal to carry out a death sentence than it does to stow them for life without the possiblity of parole.
3. If there is even one chance in some unimaginably large number that an innocent person is wrongly convicted and executed, that person is as much a victim as all of the others for whom you have so much sympathy.
Erroneous convictions and death sentences have happened, and there's no way to undo an execution.
If your post means you're willing to accept the execution of even one innocent person, please consider finding another country or, better yet, another planet.
BoomerD
No Lifer
- Feb 26, 2006
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I'm actually pro-death penalty, and believe it should be applied to even more crimes/criminals than it already is, HOWEVER, with the huge number of people getting out of prison because they were falsly imprisoned, accused/convicted on phony/false information, then there needs to be safeguards in place to prevent the execution of even one wrongly convicted person. THOSE very safeguards are what drags the death penalty/appeals process out so long...increasing the costs to execute a guilty person.
I personally think "Three Strikes" should be "Three Strikes and you're DEAD.' Habitual criminals have shown that they have no interest in rehabilitation or becoming "productive" members of society, so why should we continue to support them in prison, which costs something like $40k/year per inmate?
I personally think "Three Strikes" should be "Three Strikes and you're DEAD.' Habitual criminals have shown that they have no interest in rehabilitation or becoming "productive" members of society, so why should we continue to support them in prison, which costs something like $40k/year per inmate?
100% agreed, for any felony at least. Of course, like you said it requires fixing some of the other issues with the justice system as well. For instance, there should be no costs associated with such a conviction. If you're found guilty for a third felony at a normal trial then they give you 30 minutes to pray and/or say your goodbyes, then they pull you out back and put one through your head, then leave you until you're dead. There's absolutely no reason for a death sentence to cost more than a buck. No repeat offender has any right to be treated as a human, or kept from suffering, or any other such nonsense.
Anyone admitting guilt to a serious crime against person (rape, murder, etc) shouldn't be given any such chances. If you admit to doing it (without it being self-defense in the case of murder) then you're just quickly executed and swept away. There is far too high of a percentage of recidivism to allow prison for such persons.
I do not mind as long as the right people are had. I think it should be extended to repeat sex offenders and people who have committed major felonies BEYOND A DOUBT.
Low grade humans need retribution to satisfy their lust for revenge. Killing justified by killing fits the bill quite well. When one person with a terrible itch to kill goes ahead and does so, it brings out of the woodwork all the other psychopaths with a similar itch who immediately sense it's their turn.
Nebor
Lifer
- Jun 24, 2003
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Well, off the top of my head, we have shall issue concealed carry, the right to own machine guns, suppressors and destructive devices without state intervention, no state income tax, very low taxes, and a legislature that only meets every other year. :thumbsup:
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