Texas leading the nation in executions

[Nebor]

You people cheer on death, death, and more death, brought about by the state. Hang them in the streets you say. Hoorah for Texas!

You're being desensitized, and when the state starts killing more and more people, you'll continue to cheer. Until that person is you.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: woodie1
We believe in an eye fer an eye, like the good book says.

As of 12/22/07 11:03 am EDT, 3,897 American troops have died in the Bushwhackos' war of LIES. Maybe Texas should claim 6,794 eyes worth of flesh from their former governor, the TRAITOR IN CHIEF.

Thanks Harvey for YAHBTP

Yet Another Harvey Bolded Troll Post

See cuz he's new to the internets he doesn't understand it's IMPOLITE AS HELL AND MAKES HIM LOOK STUPID TO POST HIS CRAP IN ALL CAPS AND BOLD HIS SHIT ALL THE GODDAMN TIME

You bring so much to P&N :thumbsup:

Anyway, back on topic, freaking awesome, I :heart: living in Texas. The voters & our politicians are on board with the executions, I suspect only intervention by the Supremes can stop our death row....

IMHO some people need to be killed these people have given up their right to share the air with me & have earned their dirt nap.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Oh my...shame on us. We should just turn the other cheek and let them continue killing...or lock them up so they can gang-rape each other...maybe that fits your idea of Justice eh Moonie?

Don't forget that in every killing is always first justified in the killer's head. This can occur only as a result of blindness to options.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Oh my...shame on us. We should just turn the other cheek and let them continue killing...or lock them up so they can gang-rape each other...maybe that fits your idea of Justice eh Moonie?

Don't forget that in every killing is always first justified in the killer's head. This can occur only as a result of blindness to options.

Translation, "I use future speak so I can pretend to be intelligent."

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Oh my...shame on us. We should just turn the other cheek and let them continue killing...or lock them up so they can gang-rape each other...maybe that fits your idea of Justice eh Moonie?

Don't forget that in every killing is always first justified in the killer's head. This can occur only as a result of blindness to options.

Translation, "I use future speak so I can pretend to be intelligent."

My translaion would be:

Don't forget that every killing is always first justified in the killer's head. This can occur only as a result of blindness to options.

I edited my original sentence improperly before I posted by not taking out the 'in'. But as to how or if that relates to future speak, what future speak is or how it relates to me or implies some pretense at intelligence, I cannot say. I'm not smart enough to have any clue as to what you just said.

 

[5to1baby1in5]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Oh my...shame on us. We should just turn the other cheek and let them continue killing...or lock them up so they can gang-rape each other...maybe that fits your idea of Justice eh Moonie?

Don't forget that in every killing is always first justified in the killer's head. This can occur only as a result of blindness to options.

Translation, "I use future speak so I can pretend to be intelligent."

My translaion would be:

Don't forget that every killing is always first justified in the killer's head. This can occur only as a result of blindness to options.

I edited my original sentence improperly before I posted by not taking out the 'in'. But as to how or if that relates to future speak, what future speak is or how it relates to me or implies some pretense at intelligence, I cannot say. I'm not smart enough to have any clue as to what you just said.

Translation for good old boys:

The justification in an individual murderer's head is that "the motherfvcker deserved to die..."

The justification in the state's head is that we have decided as a group that "the motherfvcker deserved to die..."

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[jman19]

The death penalty is garbage - state sanctioned revenge killing at best. Let these scumbags work during the day and throw them in a dingy pit at night.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: jman19
The death penalty is garbage - state sanctioned revenge killing at best. Let these scumbags work during the day and throw them in a dingy pit at night.

I used to feel that way till I dated a woman who's child was killed by her ex, she said she'd been to some support groups and the survivors of murders were scared as hell that the murderer would be paroled or escape & finish the job.

At least you know if they're executed that they're not coming back and these people get some closure.

I feel the death of any human diminishes us all, but murder is a special circumstance.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: jman19
The death penalty is garbage - state sanctioned revenge killing at best. Let these scumbags work during the day and throw them in a dingy pit at night.

I used to feel that way till I dated a woman who's child was killed by her ex, she said she'd been to some support groups and the survivors of murders were scared as hell that the murderer would be paroled or escape & finish the job.

At least you know if they're executed that they're not coming back and these people get some closure.

I feel the death of any human diminishes us all, but murder is a special circumstance.

If the murderers and rapists were tossed in jail for life with no parole, then that couldn't happen. I don't feel that justifies the death penalty at all. I can understand the idea of wanting closure, but I'm not sure that emotional revenge should be something the government carries out.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Low grade humans need retribution to satisfy their lust for revenge. Killing justified by killing fits the bill quite well. When one person with a terrible itch to kill goes ahead and does so, it brings out of the woodwork all the other psychopaths with a similar itch who immediately sense it's their turn.

HAHAHAHA, It figures someone from San Fran named moonbeam would call people that are pro death penalty Low Grade Humans. You are the low grade human. You care more about a raping murdering piece of shits life than you do about the victim. You think that the scum in jails can be re-habilitated??? Get off your ass, drop your joint, put on your birkenstocks and go view what people that are in prison are really like. There is no fixing 99% of them. And figures show that most will be repeat offenders.

I say "Stack em high and stack em deep."

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: jman19
The death penalty is garbage - state sanctioned revenge killing at best. Let these scumbags work during the day and throw them in a dingy pit at night.

I used to feel that way till I dated a woman who's child was killed by her ex, she said she'd been to some support groups and the survivors of murders were scared as hell that the murderer would be paroled or escape & finish the job.

At least you know if they're executed that they're not coming back and these people get some closure.

I feel the death of any human diminishes us all, but murder is a special circumstance.

If the murderers and rapists were tossed in jail for life with no parole, then that couldn't happen. I don't feel that justifies the death penalty at all. I can understand the idea of wanting closure, but I'm not sure that emotional revenge should be something the government carries out.

you're willing to trust the cut rate low cost for profit contract prisons?

I actually feel worse about that escaped tiger being killed than a convicted murderer being executed.

Moonbeam, I'm sure if I dropped a few more tabs of acid or did a couple thousand more bong hits I'd agree with you. Unfortunately not all of us have the luxury of living in your world.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: jman19
The death penalty is garbage - state sanctioned revenge killing at best. Let these scumbags work during the day and throw them in a dingy pit at night.

I used to feel that way till I dated a woman who's child was killed by her ex, she said she'd been to some support groups and the survivors of murders were scared as hell that the murderer would be paroled or escape & finish the job.

At least you know if they're executed that they're not coming back and these people get some closure.

I feel the death of any human diminishes us all, but murder is a special circumstance.

If the murderers and rapists were tossed in jail for life with no parole, then that couldn't happen. I don't feel that justifies the death penalty at all. I can understand the idea of wanting closure, but I'm not sure that emotional revenge should be something the government carries out.

you're willing to trust the cut rate low cost for profit contract prisons?

I actually feel worse about that escaped tiger being killed than a convicted murderer being executed.

Should I link to people being executed who were innocent?

Maybe the solution should be to do a better job of keeping these guys in jail, rather than the state paying millions over the course of years just to get these guys executed.

Sorry, I think a civilized society should err on the side of life, not on murder for revenge. And no, I don't "feel sorry" for murderers being executed, I just think it shouldn't be something the government does.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: jman19
The death penalty is garbage - state sanctioned revenge killing at best. Let these scumbags work during the day and throw them in a dingy pit at night.

I used to feel that way till I dated a woman who's child was killed by her ex, she said she'd been to some support groups and the survivors of murders were scared as hell that the murderer would be paroled or escape & finish the job.

At least you know if they're executed that they're not coming back and these people get some closure.

I feel the death of any human diminishes us all, but murder is a special circumstance.

If the murderers and rapists were tossed in jail for life with no parole, then that couldn't happen. I don't feel that justifies the death penalty at all. I can understand the idea of wanting closure, but I'm not sure that emotional revenge should be something the government carries out.

you're willing to trust the cut rate low cost for profit contract prisons?

I actually feel worse about that escaped tiger being killed than a convicted murderer being executed.

Should I link to people being executed who were innocent?

Maybe the solution should be to do a better job of keeping these guys in jail, rather than the state paying millions over the course of years just to get these guys executed.

Sorry, I think a civilized society should err on the side of life, not on murder for revenge. And no, I don't "feel sorry" for murderers being executed, I just think it shouldn't be something the government does.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that, I've seen too many mad dog humans that needed to be put down.

State sanctioned executions are the most democratic way of dealing with the reality of executions.

I won't be upset if they're outlawed, but as long as they're legal I'm supportive of the act.

Check back with me in a couple of decades & after you've gotten to know a few people that were murdered or their families...

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Low grade humans need retribution to satisfy their lust for revenge. Killing justified by killing fits the bill quite well. When one person with a terrible itch to kill goes ahead and does so, it brings out of the woodwork all the other psychopaths with a similar itch who immediately sense it's their turn.

HAHAHAHA, It figures someone from San Fran named moonbeam would call people that are pro death penalty Low Grade Humans. You are the low grade human. You care more about a raping murdering piece of shits life than you do about the victim. You think that the scum in jails can be re-habilitated??? Get off your ass, drop your joint, put on your birkenstocks and go view what people that are in prison are really like. There is no fixing 99% of them. And figures show that most will be repeat offenders.

I say "Stack em high and stack em deep."

Hrmm, what an incredibly ignorant post. You are trying to make the point that killing the offender somehow helps the victim. That is obviously false. In addition, I suggest you check out the correlation between harsher punishments and recidivism rates. Almost all studies show that longer jail terms and harsher punishments lead to an increased chance of re-arrest later.

If you want to educate yourself before attacking people who apparently know a lot more about the subject then you do you can read one of the following studies on recidivism rates and rehabilitation: Welsh, Farrington and Sherman 2001, Losel and Schmucher 2005, MacKenzie 2006, or McGuire 2002. I'll give you the shorthand though: They all show that rehabilitation significantly helps lower recidivism rates, and Welsh, et. al show that in the long run it saves you the taxpayer a lot of money.

Then again "hurr hurr he's from somewhere near San Francisco!" is treated as an equally valid point on here, so I'm sure you won't listen... or will somehow insist that your personal opinion or an editorial piece somewhere is of equal weight.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Low grade humans need retribution to satisfy their lust for revenge. Killing justified by killing fits the bill quite well. When one person with a terrible itch to kill goes ahead and does so, it brings out of the woodwork all the other psychopaths with a similar itch who immediately sense it's their turn.

HAHAHAHA, It figures someone from San Fran named moonbeam would call people that are pro death penalty Low Grade Humans. You are the low grade human. You care more about a raping murdering piece of shits life than you do about the victim. You think that the scum in jails can be re-habilitated??? Get off your ass, drop your joint, put on your birkenstocks and go view what people that are in prison are really like. There is no fixing 99% of them. And figures show that most will be repeat offenders.

I say "Stack em high and stack em deep."

Hrmm, what an incredibly ignorant post. You are trying to make the point that killing the offender somehow helps the victim. That is obviously false. In addition, I suggest you check out the correlation between harsher punishments and recidivism rates. Almost all studies show that longer jail terms and harsher punishments lead to an increased chance of re-arrest later.

If you want to educate yourself before attacking people who apparently know a lot more about the subject then you do you can read one of the following studies on recidivism rates and rehabilitation: Welsh, Farrington and Sherman 2001, Losel and Schmucher 2005, MacKenzie 2006, or McGuire 2002. I'll give you the shorthand though: They all show that rehabilitation significantly helps lower recidivism rates, and Welsh, et. al show that in the long run it saves you the taxpayer a lot of money.

Then again "hurr hurr he's from somewhere near San Francisco!" is treated as an equally valid point on here, so I'm sure you won't listen... or will somehow insist that your personal opinion or an editorial piece somewhere is of equal weight.

Awesome, so we can count on allowing a halfway house right next to your place then?

 

[TheSlamma]

If I had to go to prison for life I would beg for death.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: jman19
The death penalty is garbage - state sanctioned revenge killing at best. Let these scumbags work during the day and throw them in a dingy pit at night.

I used to feel that way till I dated a woman who's child was killed by her ex, she said she'd been to some support groups and the survivors of murders were scared as hell that the murderer would be paroled or escape & finish the job.

At least you know if they're executed that they're not coming back and these people get some closure.

I feel the death of any human diminishes us all, but murder is a special circumstance.

If the murderers and rapists were tossed in jail for life with no parole, then that couldn't happen. I don't feel that justifies the death penalty at all. I can understand the idea of wanting closure, but I'm not sure that emotional revenge should be something the government carries out.

you're willing to trust the cut rate low cost for profit contract prisons?

I actually feel worse about that escaped tiger being killed than a convicted murderer being executed.

Should I link to people being executed who were innocent?

Maybe the solution should be to do a better job of keeping these guys in jail, rather than the state paying millions over the course of years just to get these guys executed.

Sorry, I think a civilized society should err on the side of life, not on murder for revenge. And no, I don't "feel sorry" for murderers being executed, I just think it shouldn't be something the government does.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that, I've seen too many mad dog humans that needed to be put down.

State sanctioned executions are the most democratic way of dealing with the reality of executions.

I won't be upset if they're outlawed, but as long as they're legal I'm supportive of the act.

Check back with me in a couple of decades & after you've gotten to know a few people that were murdered or their families...

Actually I already do know somebody whose father was murdered... a terrible, disgusting tragedy I felt sick for days about it.

Let's put it this way, I am against state executions, but I'm not exactly picketing against it or writing my Senators... I just think it isn't something the government should be in the business of doing.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: woodie1
We believe in an eye fer an eye, like the good book says.

As of 12/22/07 11:03 am EDT, 3,897 American troops have died in the Bushwhackos' war of LIES. Maybe Texas should claim 6,794 eyes worth of flesh from their former governor, the TRAITOR IN CHIEF.

Thanks Harvey for YAHBTP

Yet Another Harvey Bolded Troll Post

See cuz he's new to the internets he doesn't understand it's IMPOLITE AS HELL AND MAKES HIM LOOK STUPID TO POST HIS CRAP IN ALL CAPS AND BOLD HIS SHIT ALL THE GODDAMN TIME

You bring so much to P&N :thumbsup:

Anyway, back on topic...

Thanks for also reading my explanation for it, my apology for sidetracking the thread and my much later post ON the subject.

And for being a jackass who CLAIMS to want to get back to to the topic, thanks for wasting even more time time to side track the thread, yet again, this late in it just to take a shot at me.

:lips: my (_!_) and FOAD, jackass.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: woodie1
We believe in an eye fer an eye, like the good book says.

As of 12/22/07 11:03 am EDT, 3,897 American troops have died in the Bushwhackos' war of LIES. Maybe Texas should claim 6,794 eyes worth of flesh from their former governor, the TRAITOR IN CHIEF.

Thanks Harvey for YAHBTP

Yet Another Harvey Bolded Troll Post

See cuz he's new to the internets he doesn't understand it's IMPOLITE AS HELL AND MAKES HIM LOOK STUPID TO POST HIS CRAP IN ALL CAPS AND BOLD HIS SHIT ALL THE GODDAMN TIME

You bring so much to P&N :thumbsup:

Anyway, back on topic...

Thanks for also reading my explanation for it, my apology for sidetracking the thread and my much later post ON the subject.

And for being a jackass who CLAIMS to want to get back to to the topic, thanks for wasting even more time time to side track the thread, yet again, this late in it just to take a shot at me.

:lips: my (_!_) and FOAD, jackass.

Another friendly, well thought out post from Harvey... shouldn't mods set good examples on this board, given that it is prone to flame fests?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Hrmm, what an incredibly ignorant post. You are trying to make the point that killing the offender somehow helps the victim. That is obviously false. In addition, I suggest you check out the correlation between harsher punishments and recidivism rates. Almost all studies show that longer jail terms and harsher punishments lead to an increased chance of re-arrest later.

If you want to educate yourself before attacking people who apparently know a lot more about the subject then you do you can read one of the following studies on recidivism rates and rehabilitation: Welsh, Farrington and Sherman 2001, Losel and Schmucher 2005, MacKenzie 2006, or McGuire 2002. I'll give you the shorthand though: They all show that rehabilitation significantly helps lower recidivism rates, and Welsh, et. al show that in the long run it saves you the taxpayer a lot of money.

Then again "hurr hurr he's from somewhere near San Francisco!" is treated as an equally valid point on here, so I'm sure you won't listen... or will somehow insist that your personal opinion or an editorial piece somewhere is of equal weight.

Awesome, so we can count on allowing a halfway house right next to your place then?[/quote]

So in order for me to think that something's a good idea I have to have one next to my house? I also think land fills are a good thing to have but you don't see me living on top of one. (no, i'm not saying prisoners are garbage.. hurf blurf).

This has nothing to do with someone's personal feelings, it has to do with objective reality. *sigh*.

I do like how you tried to use a personal opinion as a counterpoint to what I said though, man I must be psychic.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Hrmm, what an incredibly ignorant post. You are trying to make the point that killing the offender somehow helps the victim. That is obviously false. In addition, I suggest you check out the correlation between harsher punishments and recidivism rates. Almost all studies show that longer jail terms and harsher punishments lead to an increased chance of re-arrest later.

If you want to educate yourself before attacking people who apparently know a lot more about the subject then you do you can read one of the following studies on recidivism rates and rehabilitation: Welsh, Farrington and Sherman 2001, Losel and Schmucher 2005, MacKenzie 2006, or McGuire 2002. I'll give you the shorthand though: They all show that rehabilitation significantly helps lower recidivism rates, and Welsh, et. al show that in the long run it saves you the taxpayer a lot of money.

Then again "hurr hurr he's from somewhere near San Francisco!" is treated as an equally valid point on here, so I'm sure you won't listen... or will somehow insist that your personal opinion or an editorial piece somewhere is of equal weight.

Awesome, so we can count on allowing a halfway house right next to your place then?

So in order for me to think that something's a good idea I have to have one next to my house? I also think land fills are a good thing to have but you don't see me living on top of one. (no, i'm not saying prisoners are garbage.. hurf blurf).

This has nothing to do with someone's personal feelings, it has to do with objective reality. *sigh*.

I do like how you tried to use a personal opinion as a counterpoint to what I said though, man I must be psychic.

even more dramatic sigh...

If you're gonna walk the walk...

Can we put you down for a sex offenders halfway house too?