Texas Ebola patient dies

[bshole]

Me, conservative? News to me! Try getting something right somtimes, good sir!

Why would I do that when I am on a roll..... LOL

 

[theeedude]

LMAO, what a hack you are.

You don't have to focus on policy and consequences if you don't want to. But that makes you laughable hack, not me.

 

[VtPC83]

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...ers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola

They have reversed their direction on this. No longer a valid source of this information since it was a month old and they weren't say it was/could go airborne.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/university-knocks-tweet-ebola-airborne-26241575

 

[Slew Foot]

Our austerity chickens are coming home to roost. 60,000 health worker jobs were eliminated because state and local governments had to cut back during recession, and the federal government did not come in with sustained replacement funding to retain those workers. Just because housing market or economy is down, doesn't mean we need fewer public health workers. But that's what we got.

And zero administrator jobs were cut and you see how useful those guys are.

 

[theeedude]

And zero administrator jobs were cut and you see how useful those guys are.

Do you even understand what CDC's responsibility and authority is and what it's funded to do? Public health is a local responsibility. That's why you have county health departments, not federal health departments. If you think the problem with CDC is that it wasn't cut enough, you simply have no clue.

 

[werepossum]

Doctors Without Borders: We've 'Reached Our Ceiling,' Maxed Out Ebola Aid Resources

How admirable it is that in today's grab all you can, enjoy yourself as much as you can world, there are still people volunteering to go to such areas to cure the sick, putting their own lives at risk. It seems incomprehensible from the standard of today's Me-First society. You cannot admire them enough. It renews your faith in humanity.

Agreed, and my primary care physician is one of them. Thoroughly admirable people.

I don't know if I completely buy that. Whenever I post I do so with the odd yet iron-clad feeling that some hot girl somewhere is reading what I write. I don't know if I could go on living if I knew that middle aged losers like myself were the only people reading my posting material.

Not many people simultaneously boast of selling a million in stock and call themselves a losers. lol

Just do what I do and assume that everyone reading your posts is an unemployable middle aged loser with a pony tail living in his mom's basement. Once you've made your peace with that, there's nowhere to go but up.

And zero administrator jobs were cut and you see how useful those guys are.

Hey, all those administrators are key personnel. They have to write the reports detailing how much better things are after the belt tightening. Otherwise people start talking to the man behind the curtain and things rapidly go downhill.

 

[massmedia]

The number of infected people is growing exponentially doubling about every 2-3 weeks.

Next week there will be 10,000 new cases.
How many doctors and personnel are required to treat 1 patient, backtrack contacts, etc. That,s right. So to to handle just next week's new ebola infected we need to send what... 10-20 thousand doctors and personnel to Africa tomorrow. We're fucked.

The week after next will see another 10k infected.
The week after that 20k.
The week after that 20k.
The week after that 40k
...
...

In the past ebola would appear in a remote area, kill everyone sparing a few and burn itself out.
Ebola can no longer burn itself out because it has "gotten out" and even with such a small number of people currently infected we are seeing its tendrils starting to appear here and there thanks to air travel and long incubation times. These tendrils will grow exponentially with the growth in the number infected in africa. World health systems are not ready as evidenced by texas and the CDC is totally fucking incompetent so don't expect miracles to come from that bunch of misleading beureaucrtic lying asshats.

The US hospital system is ill prepared for containing this virus. They are using laughable equipment, following flawed CDC guidelines (doctors without borders has criticized the CDC guidelines as inadequate) and Texas wasn't even following those.

the airport checks will AT BEST catch 7-9% of people who have a live v
Ebola infection... which is to basically say that they are pretty fucking worthless by design and the WHO agrees. Couple that to exponential spread in africa in the coming WEEKS (not months) and the associated increase in the number of infected people traveling not just to the US but all over the world.

but hey, keep those outbound passenger flights flowing from infected regions because we wouldn't want to disrupt their fragile economies. Brilliant cowardice.

blocking outbound travel of passengers has nothing whatsoever to do with inbound supplies, monetary aide and worker aide. They are separate things. This mess we have now is a prime example of what happens when scientific illiterates and overconfident ignorant bureaucrats are making bad calls.

 

[theeedude]

I am watching the hearing on C-span.
http://www.c-span.org/video/?321976-1/hearing-us-response-ebola-outbreak&live
Republicans are making complete fools of themselves.

 

[Slew Foot]

Do you even understand what CDC's responsibility and authority is and what it's funded to do? Public health is a local responsibility. That's why you have county health departments, not federal health departments. If you think the problem with CDC is that it wasn't cut enough, you simply have no clue.

Im saying that when budgets are cut, useless administrators are never fired, only the frontline workers who actually know what they are doing.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I am watching the hearing on C-span.
http://www.c-span.org/video/?321976-1/hearing-us-response-ebola-outbreak&live
Republicans are making complete fools of themselves.

Cliffs?

 

[theeedude]

Cliffs?

Just watch. The level of seriousness between the two parties is palpable.

 

[werepossum]

The number of infected people is growing exponentially doubling about every 2-3 weeks.

Next week there will be 10,000 new cases.
How many doctors and personnel are required to treat 1 patient, backtrack contacts, etc. That,s right. So to to handle just next week's new ebola infected we need to send what... 10-20 thousand doctors and personnel to Africa tomorrow. We're fucked.

The week after next will see another 10k infected.
The week after that 20k.
The week after that 20k.
The week after that 40k
...
...

In the past ebola would appear in a remote area, kill everyone sparing a few and burn itself out.
Ebola can no longer burn itself out because it has "gotten out" and even with such a small number of people currently infected we are seeing its tendrils starting to appear here and there thanks to air travel and long incubation times. These tendrils will grow exponentially with the growth in the number infected in africa. World health systems are not ready as evidenced by texas and the CDC is totally fucking incompetent so don't expect miracles to come from that bunch of misleading beureaucrtic lying asshats.

The US hospital system is ill prepared for containing this virus. They are using laughable equipment, following flawed CDC guidelines (doctors without borders) has criticized the CDC guidelines as inadequate and Texas wasn't even following those.

the airport checks will AT BEST catch 7-9% of people who have a live v
Ebola infection... which is to basically say that they are pretty fucking worthless by design and the WHO agrees. Couple that to exponential spread in africa in the coming WEEKS (not months) and the associated increase in the number of infected people traveling not just to the US but all over the world.

but hey, keep those outbound passenger flights flowing from infected regions because we wouldn't want to disrupt their fragile economies. Brilliant cowardice.

blocking outbound travel of passengers has nothing whatsoever to do with inbound supplies, monetary aide and worker aide. They are separate things. This mess we have now is a prime example of what happens when scientific illiterates and overconfident ignorant bureaucrats are making bad alls.

Nigeria started out at least as badly as have we and quickly developed an extremely effective strategy on what we'd consider a shoestring budget. We can do the same. I don't think we as a nation are fucked, although as a species . . . I think we'll lose a good portion of Sierra Leone and Liberia, and a less sizable chunk of Guinea, but while we'll be diminished, we'll still be as numerous as plague.

Other than that I agree completely. If we fail - and we may - it will be due not to lack of resources and knowledge but to lack of will to do sensible things that aren't politically correct.

One small clarification, the MSF (Doctors Without Borders) is a French-based, loosely knit global organization and to the extent it is governed by outside authorities, it is under the WHO, not the CDC. (Though that may be just a misplaced parenthesis throwing me off.)

 

[theeedude]

Im saying that when budgets are cut, useless administrators are never fired, only the frontline workers who actually know what they are doing.

What are you talking about?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Just watch. The level of seriousness between the two parties is palpable.

No option to watch sadly. Have to wait til I get home and read how it went.

 

[squarecut1]

I don't think we as a nation are fucked, although as a species . . . I think we'll lose a good portion of Sierra Leone and Liberia, and a less sizable chunk of Guinea, but while we'll be diminished, we'll still be as numerous as plague.

Is it not possible that it may spread to a densely populated country like say India? I don't think there is a lot of travel from west Africa to India, but if it happens, it would be a nightmare scenario. It may spread to other parts of Africa too... I don't know

 

[bshole]

Not many people simultaneously boast of selling a million in stock and call themselves a losers. lol

Seriously dude, saving a million dollars over 25+ years can't be that unusual (that is only $14K/yr assuming an interest rate of 7%). I am rather shocked that more people don't do it. I hope to have between 2-3 mil banked at retirement. I am currently dropping 40k into retirement every year and will bump that number drastically in 5 years when my house is paid off.

 

[BoberFett]

Seriously dude, saving a million dollars over 25+ years can't be that unusual (that is only $14K/yr assuming an interest rate of 7%). I am rather shocked that more people don't do it. I hope to have between 2-3 mil banked at retirement. I am currently dropping 40k into retirement every year and will bump that number drastically in 5 years when my house is paid off.

You definitely need to pay higher taxes. You should be giving 90% of that wealth to the government you greedy scumbag.

 

[werepossum]

Is it not possible that it may spread to a densely populated country like say India? I don't think there is a lot of travel from west Africa to India, but if it happens, it would be a nightmare scenario. It may spread to other parts of Africa too... I don't know

It is extremely possible, and in India as with many nations is potentially disastrous. But that applies to a LOT of very serious diseases which we live with.

One bit of irony here - not only are we flailing around while Nigeria is less than a week from being certified Ebolla-free, but the disease was spread to Nigeria by - wait for it - an American. It's not just resources, it's also will and leadership.

Seriously dude, saving a million dollars over 25+ years can't be that unusual (that is only $14K/yr assuming an interest rate of 7%). I am rather shocked that more people don't do it. I hope to have between 2-3 mil banked at retirement. I am currently dropping 40k into retirement every year and will bump that number drastically in 5 years when my house is paid off.

It's very unusual, and very commendable. Most people in your position are in debt up to their eyeballs as they jump from house to house.

 

[Slew Foot]

it's also will and leadership.

"Never let a crisis go to waste."

This thing will get out of hand, and then the tanks will roll.

 

[theeedude]

No option to watch sadly. Have to wait til I get home and read how it went.

I think this just about sums up the level of Republican discourse at the hearing:

 

[Fern]

That is extraordinarily naive.

This is common sense. A few uncontrolled people are far more dangerous than a bunch of controlled people.

Use your head.

No, common sense is isolating Ebola and not allowing people who may infected to travel here. Travel should be limited to those who have a bona fide need (health care workers etc.).

BTW: Who are the "controlled people"?

Fern

 

[MongGrel]

I think this just about sums up the level of Republican discourse at the hearing:

Has all ready came, to begin with.

 

[Fern]

-snip-

This shows the need for public funding of pharmaceutical research instead of trusting more and more of it to for profit industry. There are experimental treatments and vaccines for Ebola. Perhaps if fewer people subscribed to your laissez fucked economic views and accepted the possibility of a need for public funding into vaccine research on diseases like Ebola this outbreak wouldn't have a death toll in the thousands.

I see no need to screw up the current pharmaceutical industry.

The West African nations, world health organizations, the US or even the UN could have contracted out for an Ebola vaccine. E.g., the NIH spends $30 billion a year. Ebola has been around for decades. Agencies like the NIH have had plenty of time and money but didn't do it. But they have been busy finding out more about back rubs, yoga and meditation.

The failure does not lie with the pharmaceutical companies.

Fern

 

[MongGrel]

but to lack of will to do sensible things that aren't politically correct.

This has been a major problem in the US for decades, no matter who is in office.

 

[massmedia]

One small clarification, the MSF (Doctors Without Borders) is a French-based, loosely knit global organization and to the extent it is governed by outside authorities, it is under the WHO, not the CDC. (Though that may be just a misplaced parenthesis throwing me off.)

fixed the parenthesis, ty