Texas Ebola patient dies

[xBiffx]

You are vastly overestimating the possibility that such a thing would happen. A simple look at other viruses we have come into contact with should tell you this. Common sense.

Until there is some kind of evidence indicating this has happened we should expend an absolute minimum of effort or resources to take account for such improbable events. If we acted against all such improbable events our response would be insane and would divert resources from efforts that are actually effective.

Herp derp indeed.

Doing the absolute minumum is what got us here. Yeah, we should definitely continue that.

 

[echo4747]

another possible US ebola case ...this time in Connecticut:

http://foxct.com/2014/10/16/yale-new-haven-hospital-evaluating-patient-with-ebola-like-symptoms/

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

An ER doctor already has more than enough stress in their life. You will do well not to add to her stress.

Adding to her stress...WTF are you talking about? I talked to her last night and she told me that a man (who was recently in Liberia) came into the ER the other day with fever. Fortunately he didn't have ebola. She's the one who told me about very recent concerns about airborne transmission. And this isn't some podunk hospital, it's one of the most respected ERs in the world.

 

[squarecut1]

Damnit..... I had this entire sex fantasy involving Eski. I assumed she was an asian woman in her early 30's. All this time and effort trying to get her attention and now it turns out she is a guy. Jesus does this suck. False advertising if you ask me.

Are all geeks this much sexually deprived?

 

[xBiffx]

Damnit..... I had this entire sex fantasy involving Eski. I assumed she was an asian woman in her early 30's. All this time and effort trying to get her attention and now it turns out she is a guy. Jesus does this suck. False advertising if you ask me.

Strange. Here I'm still thinking you're a 10 year old girl...

 

[doubledeluxe]

You're right, I can't be bothered, because you're a fucking buffoon.

The US already spends far more per capita than any other country on healthcare. That includes pharmaceutical spending, part of which goes to R&D. How much more do you expect us citizens to pay?

Other countries with their "better" socialized system spend far less per capita than we do. That means they have more money available to spend on other things. Why didn't those fuckers step up and develop a vaccine with all the money they save by having socialized medicine? Why is it up to the US to pay for everything?'

Keep in mind that those other countries and their cheap healthcare keep their prices down on drugs by setting limits on drug costs, meaning they are intentionally preventing more money from going to those pharmaceutical companies, thereby further limiting their available capital for R&D.

Our spending couldn't possibly have to do with wasteful spending could it? It doesn't take much to spot some odd things with our spending. A quick google search would show you that we spend lots of money and get very little in return.

 

[BoberFett]

Our spending couldn't possibly have to do with wasteful spending could it? It doesn't take much to spot some odd things with our spending. A quick google search would show you that we spend lots of money and get very little in return.

What's your point? Spending is spending.

 

[squarecut1]

Cuba continues its noble tradition of helping those in need. I have personally talked to people who have been very appreciative of Cuban doctors in times of disasters.

Cuba to the rescue

Cuba has a long history of exporting doctors and nurses, ever since its 1959 revolution led by communist leader Fidel Castro. So when Ebola struck in West Africa, Cuba was quick to step up to the plate. In recent weeks, it has dispatched 165 health workers to Sierra Leone, making it the largest nation-provider of medial professionals working to help contain the epidemic. And it's preparing to send another nearly 300 workers to Liberia and Guinea in the coming weeks.

Cuba is "punching above its weight," when it comes to the fight against Ebola, reports The Washington Post. The island nation of 11 million isn't wealthy; its GDP per capita is less than one-sixth that of Britain's.

"The little we have, we share. Our principle resource is human capital,” Dr. Jorge Perez Avila, the director of the Pedro Kouri Institute for Tropical Medicine in Havana, told CNN.

Havana regularly sends medical aid and teams of healthcare workers to nations suffering natural disasters. The Post writes that health workers are “up there with rum and cigars in terms of Cuban exports.”

Soon after its revolution, Cuba sent doctors to Chile to help the nation recover from a deadly 1960 earthquake.
Cuba sent 2,500 health workers to Pakistan after an earthquake in 2005.
1,500 Cuban health professionals traveled to Haiti after its 2010 earthquake.

 

[doubledeluxe]

For starters our administration costs are what? 30%. That's at least twice what other countries have.

Truth is that the US is just wasting money.

Now at this point I'll stop and agree with the person above who said it would make some sense to have state administered or at least funded vaccine research for some f these monster illnesses. So what if we spend a billion dollars? Spending a few billion a year over a period of 100 years has to cost far less than what a global pandemic would cost.

 

[doubledeluxe]

What's your point? Spending is spending.

No it's not. Spending with poor efficiency and poor results is not something to brag about. The US just wastes money and has very little to show for it. Our life expectancy isn't as high as it should be, our infant mortality rate is awful and behind almost every developed nation on the planet, we have a morbidly obese society, and I'm fairly sure that despite all these expenditures we still have a lot of people going bankrupt due to healthcare bills.

 

[Pneumothorax]

For starters our administration costs are what? 30%. That's at least twice what other countries have.

Truth is that the US is just wasting money.

Now at this point I'll stop and agree with the person above who said it would make some sense to have state administered or at least funded vaccine research for some f these monster illnesses. So what if we spend a billion dollars? Spending a few billion a year over a period of 100 years has to cost far less than what a global pandemic would cost.

Correction - the world spends -
Tired of these countries with socialized medicine get to brag about low healthcare costs when the US subsidizes so much of their system directly/indirectly and don't get me started on military defense...

 

[BoberFett]

Correction - the world spends -
Tired of these countries with socialized medicine get to brag about low healthcare costs when the US subsidizes so much of their system directly/indirectly and don't get me started on military defense...

Exactly.

 

[BoberFett]

No it's not. Spending with poor efficiency and poor results is not something to brag about. The US just wastes money and has very little to show for it. Our life expectancy isn't as high as it should be, our infant mortality rate is awful and behind almost every developed nation on the planet, we have a morbidly obese society, and I'm fairly sure that despite all these expenditures we still have a lot of people going bankrupt due to healthcare bills.

If you want to improve efficiency, great.

But that has nothing to do with this topic. We currently spend far more than other countries do on healthcare. That means they have more money available to do research RIGHT NOW.

That they choose not to is not our fault.

 

[echo4747]

re ebola:
does anyone know of any reports that an ebola infected person beat the illness on their own? By on their own I mean without professional medical assistance.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

re ebola:
does anyone know of any reports that an ebola infected person beat the illness on their own? By on their own I mean without professional medical assistance.

Not everyone who contracts ebola dies, so yeah. The mortality rate for those without medical help may be upwards of 90% but that means 10% get by.

 

[werepossum]

That is extraordinarily naive.

This is common sense. A few uncontrolled people are far more dangerous than a bunch of controlled people.

Use your head.

Sorry, you'll have to explain to all us left brain types how a "few uncontrolled people are far more dangerous than a bunch of controlled people" when the controlled people become uncontrolled as soon as they enter the nation. Unless you're proposing we reanimate Zombie FDR to lock 'em all up in camps for quarantine.

As much shit as you talk your level of stupidity and lack of concern for what the world will be like in about 30 years for your offspring is nothing short of incredibly stupefying and absolutely abhorrent.

You bleeding idiot. It's that the pharmaceutical industry has been put too much in the hands of for profit business. The free market motivations of such businesses pretty much preclude that for profit pharmaceutical industry will not preemptively prepare for outbreaks such as this current one. And while wealthy countries in Africa do have a socialized healthcare component not every country in Africa is wealthy and developed.
Outbreaks of Ebola have occurred in poorer areas of that continent and those required outside aid. Until there haven't been cases of travelers from Africa infecting people outside with concerns that it could spread even further. Your arguments speak of complete idiocy.

These outbreaks of Ebola that cropped up previously over the past decades have fortunately burned themselves out with comparatively smaller death tolls.
Unfortunately, different circumstances in this outbreak led to thousands dead and counting as well as concerns about travelers infecting citizens of other countries.

This shows the need for public funding of pharmaceutical research instead of trusting more and more of it to for profit industry. There are experimental treatments and vaccines for Ebola. Perhaps if fewer people subscribed to your laissez fucked economic views and accepted the possibility of a need for public funding into vaccine research on diseases like Ebola this outbreak wouldn't have a death toll in the thousands.

As for the increase in absolute dollars in federal spending how much of that went to the CDC and related government agencies. I seriously doubt that increases in government agency spending were equal across the board.
For example military spending definitely increased at a much higher pace than spending in some other areas in the same time period.
It would be interesting to see how those numbers look adjusted for inflation it might look something like the image below.

TLDR: get your head out of your 4th point of contact or just STFU when you think of talking at me.

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In spite of quoting him you completely missed his point - that every part of the first world except the USA already has the system you say we must adopt and yet has done utterly nothing to provide a cure or a vaccination for Ebolla.

My frustration has to do with the idea that somehow private entities who cannot run deficits are somehow the bad guys here. There isn't a vaccine monopoly because the big companies keep others from doing what needs to be done. The problem is no one, GSK included, can spend a billion or more on every potentially deadly virus. They would be bankrupt for all the profit they now earn. That isn't their fault, and it isn't greed, it's math. So why doesn't this guy beat up on his own government who can run a deficit if need be? If you look at what Collins said (and I find it reasonable) there could have been an Ebola vaccine in all probability, and it would have been at a huge loss of course because that kind of research is a money pit. Granted Republicans are pretty much clueless, but I don't recall the Left expending half effort to really push for more than complaining about the Right. In fact it may surprise you to know that alternative paradigms for the development of medications was supported by the Bush administration and was supporting efforts that Obama promptly crushed and not one peep from the Dems. Those who are supposed to be the ones who really care, those who make a show of how bad private enterprise is (and in health care there are real problems and I'll be the first one to say so) turned out to be worse than Bush. Imagine that.

On matters of health care I find there's more talking about what someone else needs to do than actually doing, at least unless there's some political gain. Vaccines are no different.

Well said. I can't really blame Obama though. Bush threw a lot of money at Africa's many problems, which is laudable, but I don't think many of us complained when Obama and Congress (the people who actually allocate the money) began shifting that money back home. Occasionally looking after your own first comes back to bite you, and just like insisting on fixing one's own loose shingle instead of helping one's neighbor extinguish his house fire which then jumps to one's own house, this is one of those times.

 

[werepossum]

That's probably a good idea. Surely you realize that the opinions of many many doctors who explicitly specialize in this are probably more valuable than an ER doctor's opinion.

If you have any evidence for airborne transmission please link it? All I've seen is wild speculation based on a few infections.

Yeah . . . So far the "many many doctors who explicitly specialize in this" have been notably and consistently wrong.

Damnit..... I had this entire sex fantasy involving Eski. I assumed she was an asian woman in her early 30's. All this time and effort trying to get her attention and now it turns out she is a guy. Jesus does this suck. False advertising if you ask me.

Welcome to the Internet, where men are men, women are men, and young girls are the FBI.

Eski is a sensitive, politically correct metrosexual proggie, not female.

We're all goin die from ebola by Christmas.
The good? Skipping black Friday.

I refuse to die from Ebolla by Christmas. That does not leave me enough time to reach all the people I'm determined to take with me.

You however have earned the wrath of Ebolla by disrespecting it (no capitalization) so you may well be gone. My condolences.

 

[squarecut1]

Doctors Without Borders: We've 'Reached Our Ceiling,' Maxed Out Ebola Aid Resources

How admirable it is that in today's grab all you can, enjoy yourself as much as you can world, there are still people volunteering to go to such areas to cure the sick, putting their own lives at risk. It seems incomprehensible from the standard of today's Me-First society. You cannot admire them enough. It renews your faith in humanity.

 

[bshole]

Welcome to the Internet, where men are men, women are men, and young girls are the FBI.

I don't know if I completely buy that. Whenever I post I do so with the odd yet iron-clad feeling that some hot girl somewhere is reading what I write. I don't know if I could go on living if I knew that middle aged losers like myself were the only people reading my posting material.

 

[theeedude]

Our austerity chickens are coming home to roost. 60,000 health worker jobs were eliminated because state and local governments had to cut back during recession, and the federal government did not come in with sustained replacement funding to retain those workers. Just because housing market or economy is down, doesn't mean we need fewer public health workers. But that's what we got.

 

[squarecut1]

I don't know if I completely buy that. Whenever I post I do so with the odd yet iron-clad feeling that some hot girl somewhere is reading what I write. I don't know if I could go on living if I knew that middle aged losers like myself were the only people reading my posting material.

They are. Don't delude yourself. :-(


There have been more Ebola cases in America than the number of females, let alone hot ones, in the political section of a nerdy tech forum

 

[bshole]

They are. Don't delude yourself. :-(


There have been more Ebola cases in America than the number of females, let alone hot ones, in the political section of a nerdy tech forum

And that sir is why you are a conservative. Liberals believe in hope and possibilities and are optimistic. How can you live a happy life with such a sour and depressing worldview?

 

[squarecut1]

And that sir is why you are a conservative. Liberals believe in hope and possibilities and are optimistic. How can you live a happy life with such a sour and depressing worldview?

Me, conservative? News to me! Try getting something right somtimes, good sir!

 

[BoberFett]

Our austerity chickens are coming home to roost. 60,000 health worker jobs were eliminated because state and local governments had to cut back during recession, and the federal government did not come in with sustained replacement funding to retain those workers. Just because housing market or economy is down, doesn't mean we need fewer public health workers. But that's what we got.

LMAO, what a hack you are.

 

[BoberFett]

And that sir is why you are a conservative. Liberals believe in hope and possibilities and are optimistic. How can you live a happy life with such a sour and depressing worldview?

Based solely on this forum, liberals are the dourest bunch of cranky assholes with shitty attitudes ever to walk the Earth.