Texas Ebola patient dies

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Of all the attention Ebola has gotten in the last few weeks, imagine if only 1.25% of that attention were given to get Americans to eat a *little* more healthy. For example:

- Stop gulping down those bucket size sodas.
- Eat in portions more suitable for human beings than whales.

You know, nothing too drastic either. Now we may all die of Ebola but we are already gorging ourselves to death in huge numbers. You would think that would be considered a priority over ebola

 

[YBS1]

No one cares about fatties, and it's not contagious, it's self inflicted.

 

[xBiffx]

Told who so? There is still literally zero evidence for this whatsoever.

Can you explain why nature has neglected to take this route with any other virus despite vastly greater opportunities but you think such a thing is likely now?

I mean according to your idea we should have had airborne HIV and hepatitis years ago now.

Evidence for what? That viruses mutate? You're kidding right?

Ebola going airborne is completely within the realm of possibility. Giving it as many chances as it can to do this also makes that more likely.

Just because something is possible doesn't mean it automatically happens. That doesn't mean we should ignore the possibility.

Herp derp more.

 

[xBiffx]

No one cares about fatties, and it's not contagious, it's self inflicted.

Only when it isn't, what then? :\

 

[bshole]

Eski just makes me laugh. She KNOWS more than anybody, including medical experts.

It might not be surprising to learn that Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey, an administration figure who has regularly diverged publicly from the president, is not as firm in the conviction that the Ebola epidemic would not worsen in the coming weeks.

“I’ve been worried about Ebola globally for about 90 days, and I have had some on my staff that were probably a little more worried than I was even a few weeks or months before that,” Dempsey told CNN.

He noted that the “experts” are not as uniformly sure that Ebola’s current transmission pathways are as immutable as the White House would like to suggest.
“If you bring two doctors who happen to have that specialty into a room, one will say ‘No, it will never become airborne, but it could mutate so it would be harder to discover,’” Dempsey continued. “Another doctor will say, ‘If it continues to mutate at the rate it’s mutating, and we go from 20,000 infected to 100,000, the population might allow it to mutate and become airborne, and then it will be a serious problem.’”

 

[YBS1]

Only when it isn't, what then? :\

I figured someone might take a comment in jest a little too seriously. No, I don't assume someone's worth is determined by their body type.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Eski just makes me laugh. She KNOWS more than anybody, including medical experts.

eskimospy is a He.

 

[fskimospy]

Evidence for what? That viruses mutate? You're kidding right?

Ebola going airborne is completely within the realm of possibility. Giving it as many chances as it can to do this also makes that more likely.

Just because something is possible doesn't mean it automatically happens. That doesn't mean we should ignore the possibility.

Herp derp more.

You are vastly overestimating the possibility that such a thing would happen. A simple look at other viruses we have come into contact with should tell you this. Common sense.

Until there is some kind of evidence indicating this has happened we should expend an absolute minimum of effort or resources to take account for such improbable events. If we acted against all such improbable events our response would be insane and would divert resources from efforts that are actually effective.

Herp derp indeed.

 

[fskimospy]

Eski just makes me laugh. She KNOWS more than anybody, including medical experts.

Why do you quote passages that don't dispute what I'm saying? Can you read?

It is something that is possible, but very unlikely. We have recorded exactly zero cases of such a thing happening in our study of viruses, which has been extensive and spans many decades. To any rational person that means we should treat that as a very unlikely outcome.

You don't seem to be able to make it more than a few posts without saying something that makes you look dumb.

 

[bshole]

eskimospy is a He.

No I am pretty sure she is a she. I can tell by her writing style, it is very effeminate. Men and women don't write the same way and it is very easy to tell the difference. I am extremely sensitive to subtle nuances in writing style and can easily discern between a man's writings and a woman's writings.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You are vastly overestimating the possibility that such a thing would happen. A simple look at other viruses we have come into contact with should tell you this. Common sense.

Until there is some kind of evidence indicating this has happened we should expend an absolute minimum of effort or resources to take account for such improbable events. If we acted against all such improbable events our response would be insane and would divert resources from efforts that are actually effective.

Herp derp indeed.

My daughter is an emergency room doctor...I guess I need to tell her that you think she's been horribly misinformed and that recent concerns about airborne transmission are ill-founded.

 

[Brainonska511]

No I am pretty sure she is a she. I can tell by her writing style, it is very effeminate. Men and women don't write the same way and it is very easy to tell the difference. I am extremely sensitive to subtle nuances in writing styles and can easily discern between a man's writings and a woman's writings.

Eskimospy is definitely a man. He's posted his picture before. Another thing you're completely wrong about.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

No I am pretty sure she is a she. I can tell by her writing style, it is very effeminate. Men and women don't write the same way and it is very easy to tell the difference. I am extremely sensitive to subtle nuances in writing style and can easily discern between a man's writings and a woman's writings.

Wager?

 

[fskimospy]

No I am pretty sure she is a she. I can tell by her writing style, it is very effeminate. Men and women don't write the same way and it is very easy to tell the difference. I am extremely sensitive to subtle nuances in writing styles and can easily discern between a man's writings and a woman's writings.

Lol, you couldn't even make it another post without saying something dumb.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Eskimospy is definitely a man. He's posted his picture before. Another thing you're completely wrong about.

Sssh...I could use a little extra cash!

 

[bshole]

Wager?

I'll wager my integrity and the respect people have for me on this forum.

 

[fskimospy]

My daughter is an emergency room doctor...I guess I need to tell her that you think she's been horribly misinformed and that recent concerns about airborne transmission are ill-founded.

That's probably a good idea. Surely you realize that the opinions of many many doctors who explicitly specialize in this are probably more valuable than an ER doctor's opinion.

If you have any evidence for airborne transmission please link it? All I've seen is wild speculation based on a few infections.

 

[bshole]

Eskimospy is definitely a man. He's posted his picture before. Another thing you're completely wrong about.

Damnit..... I had this entire sex fantasy involving Eski. I assumed she was an asian woman in her early 30's. All this time and effort trying to get her attention and now it turns out she is a guy. Jesus does this suck. False advertising if you ask me.

 

[squarecut1]

My daughter is an emergency room doctor...I guess I need to tell her that you think she's been horribly misinformed and that recent concerns about airborne transmission are ill-founded.

An ER doctor already has more than enough stress in their life. You will do well not to add to her stress.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'm watching WWZ!

 

[Pneumothorax]

You are vastly overestimating the possibility that such a thing would happen. A simple look at other viruses we have come into contact with should tell you this. Common sense.

Until there is some kind of evidence indicating this has happened we should expend an absolute minimum of effort or resources to take account for such improbable events. If we acted against all such improbable events our response would be insane and would divert resources from efforts that are actually effective.

Herp derp indeed.

It's one thing to say that HIV will become airborne when it and none of it's close relatives have never become airborne. OTOH, there's already been a very close relative of Ebola that is airborne so it's much easier of an evolutionary 'leap'.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

That's probably a good idea. Surely you realize that the opinions of many many doctors who explicitly specialize in this are probably more valuable than an ER doctor's opinion.

If you have any evidence for airborne transmission please link it? All I've seen is wild speculation based on a few infections.

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...ers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola

There has been a lot of on-line and published controversy about whether Ebola virus can be transmitted via aerosols. Most scientific and medical personnel, along with public health organizations, have been unequivocal in their statements that Ebola can be transmitted only by direct contact with virus-laden fluids2,3 and that the only modes of transmission we should be concerned with are those termed "droplet" and "contact."

These statements are based on two lines of reasoning. The first is that no one located at a distance from an infected individual has contracted the disease, or the converse, every person infected has had (or must have had) "direct" contact with the body fluids of an infected person.

This reflects an incorrect and outmoded understanding of infectious aerosols, which has been institutionalized in policies, language, culture, and approaches to infection control. We will address this below. Briefly, however, the important points are that virus-laden bodily fluids may be aerosolized and inhaled while a person is in proximity to an infectious person and that a wide range of particle sizes can be inhaled and deposited throughout the respiratory tract.

 

[BoberFett]

No I am pretty sure she is a she. I can tell by her writing style, it is very effeminate. Men and women don't write the same way and it is very easy to tell the difference. I am extremely sensitive to subtle nuances in writing style and can easily discern between a man's writings and a woman's writings.

 

[xBiffx]

I figured someone might take a comment in jest a little too seriously. No, I don't assume someone's worth is determined by their body type.

My sarcasm meter and your sarcasm meter are sitting in the same junk pile.

 

[BoberFett]

Ebola has been popping up every so often for a few decades. The fact that there has been some experimental drugs available to treat a few lucky victims of Ebola is indicative that yes it might very well have been possible to have vaccines (even if only in small amounts) available for use in the beginning stages of the current outbreak.

That's the point. There are serious diseases for which international investment in treatments for makes sense instead of waiting for an outbreak that occurs under extremely unfavorable circumstances. As you illustrated we can't depend on the pharmaceutical companies to do so out of the altruistic motivations and it's not very feasible to expect private citizens to do so.

Generally no one bats an eye over vast expenditures of resources to protect nations aggression from other nations. Diseases aren't concerned about the nationality of their victims. Yet it's considered a galling idea by some that a fraction of the aforementioned amount should spent on vaccines for deadly diseases which pop up on the radar then fortunately don't gain a foothold. The current outbreak illustrates the very real dangers of not pursuing research into such diseases.








As usual you can't even be bothered....

You're right, I can't be bothered, because you're a fucking buffoon.

The US already spends far more per capita than any other country on healthcare. That includes pharmaceutical spending, part of which goes to R&D. How much more do you expect us citizens to pay?

Other countries with their "better" socialized system spend far less per capita than we do. That means they have more money available to spend on other things. Why didn't those fuckers step up and develop a vaccine with all the money they save by having socialized medicine? Why is it up to the US to pay for everything?'

Keep in mind that those other countries and their cheap healthcare keep their prices down on drugs by setting limits on drug costs, meaning they are intentionally preventing more money from going to those pharmaceutical companies, thereby further limiting their available capital for R&D.