Texas continues to pay for a proven "discredited" expert on anti-abortion law

[smackababy]

And in no scenario is refusing to give $5 to a homeless person going to be considered murder.

So likewise. Even if one were to consider a sperm a person using birth control would not be considered murder.

I think that could be debated. Shooting it on the floor and leaving it, could be considered endangerment of a child, as you are intentionally putting the "person" in a position that is leading to it's failure to continue living. And, if a dependent is deprived food (or money for food), you are legally responsible for their death.

Pretty sure the fetus isn't consenting to getting euthanized

Was only referring to the "if he had cancer" defense. It could work in some states.

 

[ivwshane]

Opposing the economic subjugation of men is a mental issue? D:

Also a since I think you are a man too.

So instead of advocating to fix a perceived bias in the system by advocating more rights for a man you advocate that rights be taken away from the women?

Like I said, your logic is warped, like your defective brain. Have you ever even interacted with real people outside of your parents home, besides on the internet? Your self hate and projecting is apparent to everyone. If I had a mind like yours I'd say people like you are why I support abortions, because people like you who are defective shouldn't be born as it only hurts the gene pool. Luckily I don't share your defect and I fully support your parents right to not only keep their defective child but to allow them that deciscion without my or governments say. You on the other hand feel the opposite, you'd force me to raise a retarded child and you'd tell me how I'd have to raise it. The Supreme Court has already ruled once that's it's none of your fucking business and hopefully it stays that way.

The last thing we need is for people with mental disorders to tell normal people how to live their life.

 

[DominionSeraph]

http://forums.anandtech.com/profile.php?do=ignorelist
nehalem256

 

[hal2kilo]

http://forums.anandtech.com/profile.php?do=ignorelist
nehalem256

Hey no fare, you peaked.

 

[Atreus21]

Where has there ever been any clinic that murdered any child?

Uh, Kermit Goznell? Or does he not count?

 

[zinfamous]

And it was a completely legal mass extermination.

Are you suggesting that laws are not always right?:hmm:

Once we start rounding up women against their will and shipping them off to abortion clinics via freight cars, for forced abortions--only then will you have approached a reasonable analogy.

then, and only then, will you cease being our resident toaster-fucker.

 

[Texashiker]

Subjugating women to get your preferred result (which is the further economic subjugation of women) makes you the Nazi. Keep lying to yourself and lying for Jesus to everyone else, because you sure seem to be fooling everyone!

Funny how you keep bringing religion into these debates. It seems to me that you are the only one talking about religion.

I'm curious. When does life get created?

Isn't reproduction a standard to gauge life? That when something is alive it has the ability to reproduce?

When the sperm and egg combine, and those cells start dividing and reproducing, life has been created.

 

[Victorian Gray]

You do know that in some nations when a person is born they are considered to be one year old?

You know that right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_age_reckoning

And in Ethiopia this is what you have to do before you can get married

"This rite of passage for men coming of age must be done before a man is permitted to marry. The man-to-be must “jump the cattle” four times to be successful and only castrated male cattle and cows may be used to jump over. This test is performed while naked (except for a few cords bound across the chest) as a symbol of the childhood he is about to leave behind him. On completion of this test, the young man joins the ranks of the maza – other men who have recently passed the same test and who spend the next few months of their lives supervising these events in villages throughout the Hamar territory."

http://listverse.com/2009/12/28/10-bizarre-rites-of-passage/

Aren't cultural differences interesting?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Isn't reproduction a standard to gauge life? That when something is alive it has the ability to reproduce?

When the sperm and egg combine, and those cells start dividing and reproducing, life has been created.

So if a fertilized egg doesn't implant in the uterine wall, the woman is guilty of involuntary manslaughter, correct? Her body did something (without her knowledge or consent, but still her body) that resulted in the death of a human; that's a crime, right? You can't just go around inadvertently killing people. Or how about miscarriage? That's manslaughter too, right? Nothing better for a grieving mother-to-be who just miscarried than to toss her in jail for taking a life...

The second you start defining life as starting at conception, you have to address the legal personhood of embryos and fetuses. Conservatives have no interest in that; all they want is to ban abortion. So they latch on to this idea that life begins at conception specifically for this one argument, but then offer up exceptions for fetuses so we don't need to count miscarriage as manslaughter or count fetuses in the census or give tax breaks to expecting mothers for "dependents" or any other things that are afforded to actual, breathing humans. It's bullshit. Why is it that only the right to life begins at conception when every other right we have waits until we emerge from the womb?

 

[Texashiker]

So if a fertilized egg doesn't implant in the uterine wall, the woman is guilty of involuntary manslaughter, correct?

No.

The second you start defining life as starting at conception, you have to address the legal personhood of embryos and fetuses. Conservatives have no interest in that;

I am about as conservative as they get.

Where do you get conservatives do not want to address person hood?

 

[nehalem256]

So if a fertilized egg doesn't implant in the uterine wall, the woman is guilty of involuntary manslaughter, correct?

If a doctor treats patient to the best of his abilities and the patient dies anyone is the doctor guilty of involuntary manslaughter?

Because that makes about as much sense.

 

[alzan]

Society can not set a standard by which rights are granted.

Obviously society can set that standard. In case you haven't noticed we live in such a society.

So your right to life is equal to getting drunk?

Right to life is a supreme right that is held above all others.

And we all know why 5 year olds can not vote.

Is that five chronological years or five mental years? Wait, that's right it's five chronological years, else you would not be able to vote.

 

[alzan]

You are being obtuse.

You know good and well when life is created.

Which is completely and utterly different than the point at which it is considered a person with all the legal and equal protections and rights that other persons share.

 

[CountZero]

Let me ask you something, when the allies liberated the jewish extermination camps, put the nazis on trial, and then hung the nazis from the end of a rope, were the allies "extremist?"

How does protecting human rights make one an extremist?

I love how in every abortion thread you march out this tired crap.

I am eagerly awaiting your "liberals are pro-choice because they are anti-black" argument. It hold about as much weight but is much more amusing.

 

[Paratus]

I don't think this is an accurate statement at all.



If they don't have the very basics of sex ed at least how do they know where to put it



As a point of fact there are many government programs to support fetuses. As you also pointed out its pretty clear its not the anti-abortionists supporting these programs.

Anti-abortionists also don't want to support women who wanted to have a child she could not feed.

Didn't you just say there's no human right for water?

Water isn't a human right. Though I don't really see the benefit in privatizing it.

So I guess you agree that applies to fetuses too. Right? So why is supporting a fetus suddenly a right?

 

[feralkid]

You forgot to point out that all of the Nazi actions were completely legal under the laws of Germany at the time. Therefore by liberal logic they are completely unquestionable.

Except it's only the laws of the prosecuting party that matter, but whatever wtfbbqtoasterboy.

 

[RandomWords]

The main problem I have with abortion - is that it is funded by insurance / taxpayers... and the reason I have a problem with this - is because the women who are trying to get pregnant through invetroferilization or whatever - their procedure is NOT covered. What makes this okay? Why do taxpayers / insurance holders have to pay for abortions but not for invetroferilization? They are both elective procedures different only in one is creating a child and one is destroying one... this I do not understand; otherwise - nothing is wrong with Roe vs Wade - I think it provided for a nice compromise.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The main problem I have with abortion - is that it is funded by insurance / taxpayers... and the reason I have a problem with this - is because the women who are trying to get pregnant through invetroferilization or whatever - their procedure is NOT covered. What makes this okay? Why do taxpayers / insurance holders have to pay for abortions but not for invetroferilization? They are both elective procedures different only in one is creating a child and one is destroying one... this I do not understand; otherwise - nothing is wrong with Roe vs Wade - I think it provided for a nice compromise.

In 15 states coverage is mandated, elsewhere is a mix of coverages.

http://www.advancedfertility.com/ivf-insurance.htm

http://attainivf.attainfertility.com/ivf-insurance

 

[ivwshane]

The main problem I have with abortion - is that it is funded by insurance / taxpayers... and the reason I have a problem with this - is because the women who are trying to get pregnant through invetroferilization or whatever - their procedure is NOT covered. What makes this okay? Why do taxpayers / insurance holders have to pay for abortions but not for invetroferilization? They are both elective procedures different only in one is creating a child and one is destroying one... this I do not understand; otherwise - nothing is wrong with Roe vs Wade - I think it provided for a nice compromise.

You suffer from the same mentality as nehlam. You see an unfairness and instead of advocating for more rights or equal coverage for invetro fertilization you advocate for the removal of coverage. Why? Because you are upset and you want other people to upset like you? A little childish no?

 

[Texashiker]

I am eagerly awaiting your "liberals are pro-choice because they are anti-black" argument. It hold about as much weight but is much more amusing.

Seems you missed some of my post. Already been there and done that.

Studies show blacks receive a disproportionate percentage of abortions as compared to other races.

If liberals and democrats do not hate blacks, stop killing black unborn children.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/02/21/black-abortion-sanger-planned-parenthood

But the report also showed something more disturbing: a vast majority of the abortions came from the black and Hispanic communities – and in the black community, births were outnumbered by abortion by 6,570.

Overall, 42.4% of abortions in the city were of black children; another 31% came from the Hispanic community.

If you love something, you do not kill it.

 

[nehalem256]

You suffer from the same mentality as nehlam. You see an unfairness and instead of advocating for more rights or equal coverage for invetro fertilization you advocate for the removal of coverage. Why? Because you are upset and you want other people to upset like you? A little childish no?

Its called leverage.

If women start to think that maybe their reproductive rights will go down to the same level as men maybe then they will start supporting reproductive rights for men too.

Its also an excellent tool to expose liberal hypocrisy on reproductive rights. Get them to admit that abortion is really about economic freedom for women, while at the same time they support the economic subjugation of men. Then sit back and watch the liberal butt-hurt flow.

 

[nehalem256]

Didn't you just say there's no human right for water?

So I guess you agree that applies to fetuses too. Right? So why is supporting a fetus suddenly a right?

Are you allowed to invite someone into your house and then when they say they are thirsty shoot them?

Except it's only the laws of the prosecuting party that matter, but whatever wtfbbqtoasterboy.

Jurisdiction. Look it up.

 

[DominionSeraph]

 

[RandomWords]

You suffer from the same mentality as nehlam. You see an unfairness and instead of advocating for more rights or equal coverage for invetro fertilization you advocate for the removal of coverage. Why? Because you are upset and you want other people to upset like you? A little childish no?

I would rather not pay for either... so it is childish? Making a few assumptions there aren't you.

 

[Jhhnn]

If liberals and democrats do not hate blacks, stop killing black unborn children.

Need more straw?