Texas continues to pay for a proven "discredited" expert on anti-abortion law

[nehalem256]

New GOP platform.

New?

 

[SlowSpyder]

An 11 week old fetus isn't a human being.

 

[Texashiker]

Your date of birth is what is used to determine how long you have been alive.

You do know that in some nations when a person is born they are considered to be one year old?

You know that right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_age_reckoning

 

[nehalem256]

An 11 week old fetus isn't a human being.

If a fetus isn't a human being then perhaps we should drop medicaid funding for pregnant women...

After all the whole point of welfare programs is to help children not women. So if there is no child why are we giving women money.

Time for liberals to put up or shut up on saying a fetus isn't a child

 

[Texashiker]

An 11 week old fetus isn't a human being.

A black is not a human.

A jew is not a human.

A native american is not a human.

See how easy that is?

At one point all of those statements were true and correct.

Today, we are disgusted that our forefathers thought in such a way. How can you look at a black person and say they are not real people?

To say a fetus does not deserve equal protection under the law, is the same as saying a black, jew, or gay does not deserve equal protection.

 

[SlowSpyder]

If a fetus isn't a human being then perhaps we should drop medicaid funding for pregnant women...

After all the whole point of welfare programs is to help children not women. So if there is no child why are we giving women money.

Time for liberals to put up or shut up on saying a fetus isn't a child

Pregnancy with intent to have the child is different than unwanted pregnancy. The pregnancy can and will advance and the fetus will become a child. Do women who get an abortion get medicaid?

A black is not a human.

A jew is not a human.

A native american is not a human.

See how easy that is?

At one point all of those statements were true and correct.

Today, we are disgusted that our forefathers thought in such a way. How can you look at a black person and say they are not real people?

To say a fetus does not deserve equal protection under the law, is the same as saying a black, jew, or gay does not deserve equal protection.

You're trying to draw a comparison between race/ethnicity and a still undeveloped fetus. Apples and oranges.

 

[Texashiker]

You're trying to draw a comparison between race/ethnicity and a still undeveloped fetus. Apples and oranges.

Society can not set a standard by which rights are granted.

 

[nehalem256]

Pregnancy with intent to have the child is different than unwanted pregnancy. The pregnancy can and will advance and the fetus will become a child. Do women who get an abortion get medicaid?

That would seem to be an entirely different argument than you made a few minutes ago:

An 11 week old fetus isn't a human being.

So now you are arguing that an 11 week old fetus IS A HUMAN BEING if the woman doesn't want to murder it.

So in short a fetus is only not a person if the woman wants to kill it. Seems rather convenient to me.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Society can not set a standard by which rights are granted.

Sure society can. When are you legally able to vote in this country? At what age can you be elected president? Buy alcohol?

That would seem to be an entirely different argument than you made a few minutes ago:



So now you are arguing that an 11 week old fetus IS A HUMAN BEING if the woman doesn't want to murder it.

So in short a fetus is only not a person if the woman wants to kill it. Seems rather convenient to me.

No, a fetus is in process of becoming a human, I don't believe it to be a human yet. That's why, even though I'm not crazy about abortion, I really don't feel it should be illegal. Trying to compare it to murder doesn't equate to me. If you went to a restaurant and ordered an expensive meal and they brought out a plate full of uncleaned raw ingredients, would you pay for it and eat it? Or do you agree that your meal becomes a meal not when they cut the steak off the side of the cow, but when it is cooked and plated?

 

[Texashiker]

Sure society can. When are you legally able to vote in this country? At what age can you be elected president? Buy alcohol?

So your right to life is equal to getting drunk?

Right to life is a supreme right that is held above all others.

And we all know why 5 year olds can not vote.

 

[nehalem256]

No, a fetus is in process of becoming a human, I don't believe it to be a human yet. That's why, even though I'm not crazy about abortion, I really don't feel it should be illegal. Trying to compare it to murder doesn't equate to me.

So then as I said. If a fetus is not a child then it is silly to have welfare programs, which exist to benefit children, benefiting a fetus right?

If liberals really believe that a fetus is not a child its time for them to put up or shut up.

 

[SlowSpyder]

So your right to life is equal to getting drunk?

Right to life is a supreme right that is held above all others.

And we all know why 5 year olds can not vote.

Where does it stop? If I have sex, am I obligated to not pull out or use any form of birth control because the sperm and egg have a right to life? I feel the fetus has about as much right to life as the egg that won't get my sperm.

 

[SlowSpyder]

So then as I said. If a fetus is not a child then it is silly to have welfare programs, which exist to benefit children, benefiting a fetus right?

If liberals really believe that a fetus is not a child its time for them to put up or shut up.

To me you are arguing like manslaughter and murder are the same. Intent matters. If a pregnancy is unwanted, than that woman should not get government assistance meant to nurture the fetus and deliver a healthy baby. If the pregnancy is wanted, things change, don't get assistance and have the pregnancy stopped. That makes sense to me.

For the record, I'm not a liberal and feel most government programs cause more harm than good. Unlike the average partisan dummy, I call it how I see it on a given issue and at least think for myself. It isn't a shock to me that the strongest anti-abortion voices are the people who are conditioned how to think.

 

[Texashiker]

Where does it stop? If I have sex, am I obligated to not pull out or use any form of birth control because the sperm and egg have a right to life? I feel the fetus has about as much right to life as the egg that won't get my sperm.

You are being obtuse.

You know good and well when life is created.

 

[SlowSpyder]

You are being obtuse.

You know good and well when life is created.

I am not. I'm being honest and straight forward. The egg and sperm are living cells of human origin. The fetus is made of living cells of human origin. None are capable of living outside of a host body. None are thinking humans. None have had or are yet capable of having the human experience. In my opinion somewhere between conception and birth their exists a viable human. But I don't believe an abortion early on is murder as I don't believe an early fetus is in fact a human being.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Besides, aborting babies gives them the fast track to heaven. And that's the goal of this life, right? Time for christians to put up or shut up.

See, I can do it too.

 

[nehalem256]

To me you are arguing like manslaughter and murder are the same. Intent matters. If a pregnancy is unwanted, than that woman should not get government assistance meant to nurture the fetus and deliver a healthy baby. If the pregnancy is wanted, things change, don't get assistance and have the pregnancy stopped. That makes sense to me.

The whole idea of government assistance programs is to help children.

If there is no child their should be no government assistance programs.

And the bolded is exactly what I was saying. You are arguing that it is a child based on whether or not the pregnancy is wanted. So in essence you are basing personhood purely on personal convenience.

 

[nehalem256]

I am not. I'm being honest and straight forward. The egg and sperm are living cells of human origin. The fetus is made of living cells of human origin. None are capable of living outside of a host body. None are thinking humans. None have had or are yet capable of having the human experience. In my opinion somewhere between conception and birth their exists a viable human. But I don't believe an abortion early on is murder as I don't believe an early fetus is in fact a human being.

The whole sperm and egg thing seems like a silly argument.

If I have an egg do I have a cake? Of course not.

If I have a pan filled with cake batter that I just stuck in the oven do I have a cake? Well maybe. And I bet most people refer to it as cake at that point. You would probably look at someone funny who said their cake batter was baking

 

[Texashiker]

I am not. I'm being honest and straight forward. The egg and sperm are living cells of human origin. The fetus is made of living cells of human origin.

One sign that something is alive is when it can reproduce.

A sperm by itself can not reproduce, ever.

An egg by itself can not reproduce, ever.

A embryo will be able to reproduce when it matures.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The whole idea of government assistance programs is to help children.

If there is no child their should be no government assistance programs.

And the bolded is exactly what I was saying. You are arguing that it is a child based on whether or not the pregnancy is wanted. So in essence you are basing personhood purely on personal convenience.

I don't agree. But, for the sake of argument, let's say you are in fact 100% correct. My argument revolves around convenience (funny how you disregard health matters, rape, finances, etc.) and nothing else. So what? So a woman gets knocked up and doesn't want to have a kid yet so she goes and gets an abortion at eight weeks pregnant. What does that prove for you? To me the fetus is still not a human being yet.

 

[SlowSpyder]

One sign that something is alive is when it can reproduce.

A sperm by itself can not reproduce, ever.

An egg by itself can not reproduce, ever.

A embryo will be able to reproduce when it matures.

So by your own logic an embryo is not yet a living human. Why would it get living human protections?

 

[VtPC83]

I understand the notion that anti-abortionists have regarding their views but where I get fuzzy is when those same people also try to remove public funding/welfare for mothers who need help taking care of children they may not have wanted.

You want women to have the child they are creating explicitly yet it seems many of you are against helping women once they have had the child you have now forced on them.

Odd is it not?

 

[Squeetard]

Let's make it a crime to flush our poop. It is full of bacteria that is equally as sentient as a fetus.

 

[Texashiker]

So by your own logic an embryo is not yet a living human. Why would it get living human protections?

Simply because society can not set a standard by which rights should be granted.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Simply because society can not set a standard by which rights should be granted.

I didn't say anything about society. I said by your own logic. You sound like you're arguing that an embryo isn't yet alive here:

One sign that something is alive is when it can reproduce.

A sperm by itself can not reproduce, ever.

An egg by itself can not reproduce, ever.

A embryo will be able to reproduce when it matures.

So you agree that an embryo isn't yet a viable human, right? It cannot reproduce. I'm using your words here, not talking about society. By your own admission, it sounds like you understand that there is some gray area regarding what is an 'alive' human.