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[Darwin333]

Sharia law has been legal and has been used in the US since forever.
Catholics use religious courts and so do Jews.
Banning the use of Sharia law in the US has been brought up in several states

Please cite examples of Sharia law, that differs from normal sane laws, that has been implemented and used in the United States.

If Sharia says you can't steal and you come back with "its against the law to steal" please don't bother. I am talking real deal beat the fuck out of your wife, cut peoples hands off, stone women who have been raped, something outside of normal American views.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Please cite examples of Sharia law, that differs from normal sane laws, that has been implemented and used in the United States.

If Sharia says you can't steal and you come back with "its against the law to steal" please don't bother. I am talking real deal beat the fuck out of your wife, cut peoples hands off, stone women who have been raped, something outside of normal American views.

Here is a recent article on it

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013...-Islamic-law-in-US-courts/UPI-64481368948600/

I was just pointing out that Sharia law is already being practiced in the US, and the rest of the Western world.
I was not defending the way it is practiced in Saudi Arabia

 

[Darwin333]

Here is a recent article on it

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013...-Islamic-law-in-US-courts/UPI-64481368948600/

I was just pointing out that Sharia law is already being practiced in the US, and the rest of the Western world.
I was not defending the way it is practiced in Saudi Arabia

Thank you, it was an interesting read but it only strengthened my point. The article states that numerous states have tried, some successfully, to completely ban the use of Sharia. Some states even went so far as to illegally single out Sharia and it got struck down by the courts. If they introduced a new amendment that was for all religions it would pass muster.

So given the fact that when its put to a vote the voters have overwhelmingly voted to ban the use of Sharia and over half the states in the union have introduced legislation to ban the use of Sharia, why exactly should I be scared that there is even a remote possibility of me having to deal with real true blue Sharia law?

Frankly that article should remove any doubt that we don't have to worry about Sharia in this country.

Matter of fact, per the article the only thing I can kind that Sharia was even considered for is marriages between two muslims who agreed at the time of entering into marriage (a contract) that they would use Sharia law. I have no issue with people freely entering into civil contracts as long as it doesn't violate any of our existing laws. If it does, well we have existing laws to handle that (suck as you can't beat your wife because Sharia tells you to, we don't need a new law for that).

It is so far from reality that it shocks the hell out of me that I am having this conversation right now. Seriously, how can anyone argue that this is a danger to us?

 

[Orignal Earl]

Seriously, how can anyone argue that this is a danger to us?

It's crazy isn't it
And yet here even on this board, we have a lot of educated posters who are terrified that the US is going to turn into an Islamic state, and that England is as good as done.
There are over 50 Muslim majority countries, yet only 5 are counted as an Islamic state.

 

[werepossum]

How about Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses you stupid wise and beautiful woman.

At least in my experience, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses have been uniformly nice, polite people with absolutely no interest in burning homosexuals or murdering unbelievers. So people find that a significant difference.

If the worst thing in my day is Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses politely asking for a little time to explain their religion to me, because they are worried about my soul, then that's a pretty damned good day.

Please cite examples of Sharia law, that differs from normal sane laws, that has been implemented and used in the United States.

If Sharia says you can't steal and you come back with "its against the law to steal" please don't bother. I am talking real deal beat the fuck out of your wife, cut peoples hands off, stone women who have been raped, something outside of normal American views.

One thing Sharia courts do is to divert domestic abuse cases from secular courts, so that something which would otherwise be felony abuse is justified as the husband's privilege. That's a pretty horrific thing.

In my opinion there should be no religious courts at all, but legally speaking in the USA they are arbitration. I don't know there is a really good way to maintain individuals' freedom to seek arbitration while protecting against pressure to use religious courts. At the end of the day, we are free individuals, and if we succumb to pressure to make what should be a crime into a mullah telling us to grin and bear it then we really have no one to blame besides ourselves.

 

[zinfamous]

What a bunch of BS! If Christians want to go on the street and preach they have the right to do it. And do you have any examples of this?

Why don't you attack another group of people who also want their religion forced onto everyone and are willing to use force.

why do you hate freedom?

 

[zinfamous]

It's crazy isn't it
And yet here even on this board, we have a lot of educated posters who are terrified that the US is going to turn into an Islamic state, and that England is as good as done.
There are over 50 Muslim majority countries, yet only 5 are counted as an Islamic state.

methinks you assume too much. :whiste:

 

[Orignal Earl]

At least in my experience, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses have been uniformly nice, polite people with absolutely no interest in burning homosexuals or murdering unbelievers. So people find that a significant difference.

In my experience Mormons, JW, and Muslims have all been good people.
It's that way with most generalizations.
Mexicans are lazy people, well.. not the ones I know, the ones on the TV are

 

[Darwin333]

One thing Sharia courts do is to divert domestic abuse cases from secular courts, so that something which would otherwise be felony abuse is justified as the husband's privilege. That's a pretty horrific thing.

Is this currently being practiced in the US? Can you provide at least half a dozen cases in which husbands got away with beating their wives in the US due to Sharia?

In my opinion there should be no religious courts at all, but legally speaking in the USA they are arbitration. I don't know there is a really good way to maintain individuals' freedom to seek arbitration while protecting against pressure to use religious courts. At the end of the day, we are free individuals, and if we succumb to pressure to make what should be a crime into a mullah telling us to grin and bear it then we really have no one to blame besides ourselves.

I agree but I frankly just can't imagine that ever happening. Damn sure not enough to waste even a passing moment being scared of it.

 

[Darwin333]

why do you hate freedom?

Oh he doesn't. He believes that his side should have all the freedom in the world. He just hates freedom when people he don't like use it.

 

[CrackRabbit]

At least in my experience, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses have been uniformly nice, polite people with absolutely no interest in burning homosexuals or murdering unbelievers. So people find that a significant difference.

If the worst thing in my day is Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses politely asking for a little time to explain their religion to me, because they are worried about my soul, then that's a pretty damned good day.

No doubt, they are generally polite and will usually leave if you ask, but the troll wanted examples of people trying to spread their religion, so I gave them to him.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Is this currently being practiced in the US? Can you provide at least half a dozen cases in which husbands got away with beating their wives in the US due to Sharia?

Christian Scientists have the right under US law to refuse their children a medical doctor.
JW's have the same right with blood transfusions
Lots of kids have died.
I remember when I first saw this huge CS church in Moose Jaw when I was younger.
I thought to myself, a church full of scientists, that sounds like a cool church

 

[Incorruptible]

Oh he doesn't. He believes that his side should have all the freedom in the world. He just hates freedom when people he don't like use it.

Wrong. I believe in the Constitution. And radical Islamists wanting to take over is not freedom.

 

[zinfamous]

Wrong. I believe in the Constitution. And radical Islamists wanting to take over is not freedom.

no you don't. And radical islamists are not taking over, you paranoid delusional tin foil-wearing nincompoop.

 

[Orignal Earl]

methinks you assume too much. :whiste:

There could be a lot of this going around too

Diana C. Mutz discovered in her 2006 book Hearing the Other Side, those with the highest levels of education had the lowest exposure to people with conflicting points of view, while those who have not graduated from high school can claim the most diverse discussion mates.

In other words, the most educated among us are also the most likely to live in the tightest echo chambers.

http://davidthompson.typepad.com/davidthompson/2012/11/dealing-with-impurities.html

😉

 

[Incorruptible]

no you don't. And radical islamists are not taking over, you paranoid delusional tin foil-wearing nincompoop.

Yes I do. And they are taking over, obviously you aren't paying attention.

 

[bshole]

At least in my experience, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses have been uniformly nice, polite people with absolutely no interest in burning homosexuals or murdering unbelievers.

Yea but they have no respect for the sanctity of a man's home. I LOATHE when they come knocking on my door. I am always conflicted over whether to beat them bloody with a bat, to open up on them with my .45 or to throw scalding hot water on them. Eventually I always opt on not answering the door.

 

[zinfamous]

Yes I do. And they are taking over, obviously you aren't paying attention.

you're a fucking idiot.

 

[Incorruptible]

you're a fucking idiot.

Good job describing yourself.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Good job describing yourself.

Go die in a fire you worthless whacakdoodle troll.

 

[Darwin333]

Wrong. I believe in the Constitution. And radical Islamists wanting to take over is not freedom.

The sad part is, I think that you actually believe what you wrote so I won't call you a liar. You are however very wrong about both your unwavering support for the Constitution and the threat that we face.

And yes, Radical Islamists wanting to take over is freedom. They are free to desire any damn thing they want, what they can not do is violate our laws to achieve that goal. You see how that works? Perhaps you wish to make a persons thoughts a criminal act in and of itself?

Regardless, there is absolutely 0 threat of radical islamists taking over so what the hell are you so afraid of? For a religion that is supposedly taking over the entire United States you have what, 4 or 5 examples???? I can give you a dozen examples of laws passed in ONE STATE that are based completely on Christian religious beliefs and nothing else. A great example of that was posted earlier with dry counties and counties that don't sell beer on the Sabbath. So on one hand we have a religion that has quite literally gotten thousands of laws passed forcing everyone to abide by some tenant of their religion and another one that has gotten zero laws passed and you are scared shitless of the one that hasn't accomplished a damn thing!!! Even worse is your surprised when the smarter people say the religion that HAS legislated their religion is more of a threat.

Based on pretty much every reply of yours that I have read I am not even sure if you have the ability to comprehend what I just typed out. Regardless it doesn't change the absolute fact that you are wrong about the threat the United States faces in the foreseeable future.

 

[Darwin333]

Good job describing yourself.

In all due fairness, he isn't the one that is scared to death about a threat that simply doesn't exist in the US.

Wanna know what still exists in the US to this day and used to be FAR worse? Here ya go:

Southern and mid-western states also passed numerous laws to protect Sunday during the mid to late 19th century. Laws targeted numerous groups including saloon owners, Jews, Seventh-day Adventists, and non-religious peoples. These Sunday laws enacted at the state and local levels would sometimes carry penalties for doing non-religious activities on Sunday as part of an effort to enforce religious observance and church attendance. Numerous people were arrested for playing cards, baseball, and even fixing wagon wheels on Sunday.


In Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Minnesota, Missouri, Oklahoma, New Jersey, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, car dealerships continue to operate under blue-law prohibitions in which an automobile may not be purchased or traded on a Sunday. Maryland permits Sunday automobile sales only in the counties of Prince George's, Montgomery, and Howard; similarly, Michigan restricts Sunday sales to only those counties with a population of less than 130,000.

Remember, those are just a very few examples. Many more exist here in the US. Your turn, find me some Muslim laws that have been passed based solely on their religion that affect my day to day life.

 

[zinfamous]

In all due fairness, he isn't the one that is scared to death about a threat that simply doesn't exist in the US.

Wanna know what still exists in the US to this day and used to be FAR worse? Here ya go:

Southern and mid-western states also passed numerous laws to protect Sunday during the mid to late 19th century. Laws targeted numerous groups including saloon owners, Jews, Seventh-day Adventists, and non-religious peoples. These Sunday laws enacted at the state and local levels would sometimes carry penalties for doing non-religious activities on Sunday as part of an effort to enforce religious observance and church attendance. Numerous people were arrested for playing cards, baseball, and even fixing wagon wheels on Sunday.


In Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Minnesota, Missouri, Oklahoma, New Jersey, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, car dealerships continue to operate under blue-law prohibitions in which an automobile may not be purchased or traded on a Sunday. Maryland permits Sunday automobile sales only in the counties of Prince George's, Montgomery, and Howard; similarly, Michigan restricts Sunday sales to only those counties with a population of less than 130,000.

Remember, those are just a very few examples. Many more exist here in the US. Your turn, find me some Muslim laws that have been passed based solely on their religion that affect my day to day life.

that's OK, though, because it's Christian and this, after all, is a "Christian nation."

 

[brycejones]

In Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Minnesota, Missouri, Oklahoma, New Jersey, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, car dealerships continue to operate under blue-law prohibitions in which an automobile may not be purchased or traded on a Sunday. .

Wait Texas finally did away with their restrictions? I remember about 6-7 years ago the local dealers were taking Carmax to court because they were open on Sundays.

 

[Exterous]

Wanna know what still exists in the US to this day and used to be FAR worse? Here ya go:

Southern and mid-western states also passed numerous laws to protect Sunday during the mid to late 19th century. Laws targeted numerous groups including saloon owners, Jews, Seventh-day Adventists, and non-religious peoples. These Sunday laws enacted at the state and local levels would sometimes carry penalties for doing non-religious activities on Sunday as part of an effort to enforce religious observance and church attendance. Numerous people were arrested for playing cards, baseball, and even fixing wagon wheels on Sunday.


In Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Minnesota, Missouri, Oklahoma, New Jersey, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, car dealerships continue to operate under blue-law prohibitions in which an automobile may not be purchased or traded on a Sunday. Maryland permits Sunday automobile sales only in the counties of Prince George's, Montgomery, and Howard; similarly, Michigan restricts Sunday sales to only those counties with a population of less than 130,000.

Remember, those are just a very few examples. Many more exist here in the US. Your turn, find me some Muslim laws that have been passed based solely on their religion that affect my day to day life.

Don't forget the other legal restrictions on when a legitimate business can sell a perfectly legal product. Many states, including Michigan and Tenn, must abide by the Christian (Puritan based) laws regulating\prohibiting the sale of alcohol during certain times on Sunday

Can you imagine the outrage if Muslims passed a law banning the sale of an item anywhere within a city or state for several hours on their holy day? I guess its different when someone else does it though...