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That this kind of crap even exists, is a testament to a bunch of cave dwelling primates half way around the world. We like to think we're superior, that we are in control and have the upper hand.

Keep saying that we're 'USA NUMBER ONE!!!!1!!!!!!11!111111!!!!11' next time you have to strip down and get a hand shoved between your legs. You think our opponent lost? You think we are winning? Go stand in line for the TSA again. :mad:

If we are defeated by third world shitbags, what does that make us? :hmm: Think about that next time you'd think something derogatory of them. Think of how we have prostrated ourselves into becoming even lesser creatures. You want something REAL derogatory? Go tell people you're an American.

The problem is Americans to chicken shit to single out the terrorists. Do they really think those old people are going to smuggle bombs aboard airplanes?
Seriously. Every single attack or attempt has been made by Muslims. They tend to be easy to pick out of a crowd.

We(The people) haven't lost the war on terror. We (our government) have become the terrorists.
 

Darwin333

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So, the government reacted to a terrorist vector, which is a thing you bitch about in this very post.

Try being consistent.

I am being very consistent. Metal detectors work just dandy at preventing box cutters from entering secure areas and even better the current policy of locked cockpit doors combined with the passengers "awareness" has pretty much eliminated that threat.

Don't believe me, stand up on a plane and yell out "I'm going to open the cockpit door" and see how long it takes you to get your ass whooped.

Oh, I'd just blow the plane up. Because your methods don't stop me from getting on the plane with dynamite strapped to my chest.

Wow, are you actually admitting that I prevented you from achieving your original objective with the use of very simple policies that passengers won't even notice? No long lines, no "touching my junk", no virtual strip searches, no taking your shoes off, no 86 year old guys in wheel chairs or 6 year old children being randomly selected for extra screening, just a simple reinforced locked door has prevented you from accomplishing your stated goal which was to use the plane as a missile. I believe your words were "15 seconds in and I am already at target selection" or something similar? A simple locked door has fucked up your entire plan to the point that you are now down to just killing the people on the plane. Why is killing people on a plane somehow more terrorizing than killing people in an airport? Serious question because I really don't see the difference between being blown up at 30,000 feet and being blown up waiting in line.

Furthermore, if you are down to simply blowing up the plane why wouldn't you get some better explosives, shove em up your ass, defeat the current TSA security measures, and achieve the exact same thing?
Cargo != luggage.

With luggage you control which airplane it goes on. It will be on a passenger plane. No guarantee of that with cargo.

But you can't guarantee that it won't be on a passenger plane? I am not doing anymore homework for you, do a google search for yourself to see what the government has stated about luggage and cargo screening issues.

You don't seem to understand human responses very well, for that would be a shit terrorist attack.
You do not give your target a semblance of control. To only attack airports leaves them direct counters: To beef up security, alter traffic flow, and to risk assess air travel.
Recovery is pathetically easy.

Wait, are you saying that blowing up a plane with 200 people on it would be more effective than blowing up the whole fucking security area in every major hub airport and killing 5 times as many people at each airport? Really? Recovery is "pathetically easy"? It would take them weeks to "investigate" and clean up the blood alone. Blowing up a plane does relatively little at stopping air traffic, all it does is kill people. Blowing up the security area of an airport actually stops air traffic from that airport until they clean up the mess, figure out an entirely new security program, and then rebuild\repair the existing and new security. Plus it would be much more effective at scaring people (you know, the "terror" part of "terrorism" or more bluntly the entire goal of terrorism) from flying because it wasn't just a single security breech that you could add little more theatrics to make people think they are safer.

Thanks for playing but I really wish you would try harder.


So they only fuck with a relative few people in almost the same way that the TSA is now fucking with everyone? Even better, if you are a citizen of their country you don't get fucked with? I'm sold. Oooh, can I use a single story to represent the TSA? I wonder how long it will take me to find a real fucked up story concerning the TSA?
 
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Saw that this morning. It wouldn't surprise me for more and more "celebrties" to get picked out in an attempt by TSA agents to collect the scan images and sell them to tabloids.
Luckily Penn doesn't take peoples bullshit and will call them out on it.

In other news.
Dress as a Muslim woman and you will be exempt from the scan and only your head an neck will be subject to a rub down, er I mean pat down
http://texasgopvote.com/restore-fam...-scans-defends-their-use-everyone-else-002132
 

KMFJD

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Saw that this morning. It wouldn't surprise me for more and more "celebrties" to get picked out in an attempt by TSA agents to collect the scan images and sell them to tabloids.
Luckily Penn doesn't take peoples bullshit and will call them out on it.

In other news.
Dress as a Muslim woman and you will be exempt from the scan and only your head an neck will be subject to a rub down, er I mean pat down
http://texasgopvote.com/restore-fam...-scans-defends-their-use-everyone-else-002132

i didn't see any exemptions for Muslims , more fud


(WASHINGTON, D.C., 11/10/2010) -- CAIR today issued a travel advisory for airline passengers who may be subjected to new Transportation Security Administration (TSA) "enhanced pat-downs" that many of those who undergo the procedure describe as invasive and humiliating.

The advisory comes after two of the nation's largest pilots' unions urged commercial pilots to avoid both full-body scanners and public pat-downs. Pilots have compared the new pat-downs to "sexual molestation." A union for flight attendants has expressed similar concerns.

SEE: Pilots Refusing to Use Full Body Scanners or Submit to Patdown
Flight Attendants Union Upset Over New Pat-Down Procedures
TSA Statement on New Pat-Down
ACLU: TSA Pat-Down Search Abuse

Travelers are being asked to educate themselves about the new policy and to know their rights if asked to undergo security pat-downs. CAIR's advisory is particularly important for Muslim travelers leaving for or returning from Hajj because of concerns that they will be singled out for secondary screening by security personnel.

CAIR offices have already received complaints, particularly from female travelers who wear hijab, about being subjected to the new pat-down procedure.

The enhanced pat-down involves a much more intrusive manual search of passengers' bodies by TSA officers. Passengers who have undergone the new pat-down procedure have reported feeling humiliated by a search they describe as invasive and that has involved TSA officers touching the face and hair, the groin area and buttocks, and in between and underneath breasts.

SEE: CNN Report on TSA Pat-Down
Pilot Refuses Full-Body Pat

One traveler wearing hijab, a 56-year-old Muslim flying out of Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, told CAIR the TSA screener patted-down her entire upper body, including, head, neck, chest, and hips, with the backs of her hands. The Muslim woman said she had "no idea" how invasive the procedure would be and would otherwise have opted for a private room or demanded to know why she was selected for secondary screening.

[NOTE: The woman had been referred to secondary screening even though the metal detector did not go off, a phenomenon reported frequently to CAIR by female Muslim travelers.]

BACKGROUND: Beginning earlier this year, the TSA began using full-imaging scanners in airports. In February, CAIR supported a statement by a prominent group of Muslim scholars that the full-body scanners violate religious and privacy rights.

SEE: Airport Body Scanners Violate Islamic Law, Muslims Say

As of August 2010, passengers who opted out of the full-body scanners were subject to the enhanced pat-down.

In light of the growing concerns about the invasiveness of the new enhanced pat-down procedure, CAIR offers the following recommendations to Muslim travelers:

* If you opt out of the full-image body scanner, you have the right to request that the manual search be conducted in private.
* It is your right to be screened by an officer of the same gender. The TSA states in its Head-to-Toe Screening Policies: "It is TSA's policy that passengers should be screened by an officer of the same gender in a professional, respectful manner."
* If you experience any disturbing incidents with the new pat down procedure, particularly if you feel you have been subjected to religious or racial profiling, harassment or unfair treatment, immediately file a complaint with the TSA and report the incident to your local CAIR chapter.

Special recommendations for Muslim women who wear hijab:

* If you are selected for secondary screening after you go through the metal detector and it does not go off, and "sss" is not written on your boarding pass, ask the TSA officer if the reason you are being selected is because of your head scarf.
* In this situation, you may be asked to submit to a pat-down or to go through a full body scanner. If you are selected for the scanner, you may ask to go through a pat-down instead.
* Before you are patted down, you should remind the TSA officer that they are only supposed to pat down the area in question, in this scenario, your head and neck. They SHOULD NOT subject you to a full-body or partial-body pat-down.
* You may ask to be taken to a private room for the pat-down procedure.
* Instead of the pat-down, you can always request to pat down your own scarf, including head and neck area, and have the officers perform a chemical swipe of your hands.
* If you encounter any issues, ask to speak to a supervisor immediately. They are there to assist you.
 

werepossum

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i didn't see any exemptions for Muslims , more fud


(WASHINGTON, D.C., 11/10/2010) -- CAIR today issued a travel advisory for airline passengers who may be subjected to new Transportation Security Administration (TSA) "enhanced pat-downs" that many of those who undergo the procedure describe as invasive and humiliating.

The advisory comes after two of the nation's largest pilots' unions urged commercial pilots to avoid both full-body scanners and public pat-downs. Pilots have compared the new pat-downs to "sexual molestation." A union for flight attendants has expressed similar concerns.

SEE: Pilots Refusing to Use Full Body Scanners or Submit to Patdown
Flight Attendants Union Upset Over New Pat-Down Procedures
TSA Statement on New Pat-Down
ACLU: TSA Pat-Down Search Abuse

Travelers are being asked to educate themselves about the new policy and to know their rights if asked to undergo security pat-downs. CAIR's advisory is particularly important for Muslim travelers leaving for or returning from Hajj because of concerns that they will be singled out for secondary screening by security personnel.

CAIR offices have already received complaints, particularly from female travelers who wear hijab, about being subjected to the new pat-down procedure.

The enhanced pat-down involves a much more intrusive manual search of passengers' bodies by TSA officers. Passengers who have undergone the new pat-down procedure have reported feeling humiliated by a search they describe as invasive and that has involved TSA officers touching the face and hair, the groin area and buttocks, and in between and underneath breasts.

SEE: CNN Report on TSA Pat-Down
Pilot Refuses Full-Body Pat

One traveler wearing hijab, a 56-year-old Muslim flying out of Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, told CAIR the TSA screener patted-down her entire upper body, including, head, neck, chest, and hips, with the backs of her hands. The Muslim woman said she had "no idea" how invasive the procedure would be and would otherwise have opted for a private room or demanded to know why she was selected for secondary screening.

[NOTE: The woman had been referred to secondary screening even though the metal detector did not go off, a phenomenon reported frequently to CAIR by female Muslim travelers.]

BACKGROUND: Beginning earlier this year, the TSA began using full-imaging scanners in airports. In February, CAIR supported a statement by a prominent group of Muslim scholars that the full-body scanners violate religious and privacy rights.

SEE: Airport Body Scanners Violate Islamic Law, Muslims Say

As of August 2010, passengers who opted out of the full-body scanners were subject to the enhanced pat-down.

In light of the growing concerns about the invasiveness of the new enhanced pat-down procedure, CAIR offers the following recommendations to Muslim travelers:

* If you opt out of the full-image body scanner, you have the right to request that the manual search be conducted in private.
* It is your right to be screened by an officer of the same gender. The TSA states in its Head-to-Toe Screening Policies: "It is TSA's policy that passengers should be screened by an officer of the same gender in a professional, respectful manner."
* If you experience any disturbing incidents with the new pat down procedure, particularly if you feel you have been subjected to religious or racial profiling, harassment or unfair treatment, immediately file a complaint with the TSA and report the incident to your local CAIR chapter.

Special recommendations for Muslim women who wear hijab:

* If you are selected for secondary screening after you go through the metal detector and it does not go off, and "sss" is not written on your boarding pass, ask the TSA officer if the reason you are being selected is because of your head scarf.
* In this situation, you may be asked to submit to a pat-down or to go through a full body scanner. If you are selected for the scanner, you may ask to go through a pat-down instead.
* Before you are patted down, you should remind the TSA officer that they are only supposed to pat down the area in question, in this scenario, your head and neck. They SHOULD NOT subject you to a full-body or partial-body pat-down.
* You may ask to be taken to a private room for the pat-down procedure.
* Instead of the pat-down, you can always request to pat down your own scarf, including head and neck area, and have the officers perform a chemical swipe of your hands.
* If you encounter any issues, ask to speak to a supervisor immediately. They are there to assist you.

This is going to be exactly like the previous security screenings, where more flags will be required to subject obviously Muslim and/or Middle Eastern passengers to this treatment than are required for the general public in spite of the fact that 100% of the threat is from Muslim and/or Middle Eastern passengers.

Since I get "randomly" singled out for "extra screening" about 3/4 of the times I fly, I expect my penis will become the Rodney Dangerfield of penises, famous but gets no respect.
 

drebo

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This is going to be exactly like the previous security screenings, where more flags will be required to subject obviously Muslim and/or Middle Eastern passengers to this treatment than are required for the general public in spite of the fact that 100% of the threat is from Muslim and/or Middle Eastern passengers.

Since I get "randomly" singled out for "extra screening" about 3/4 of the times I fly, I expect my penis will become the Rodney Dangerfield of penises, famous but gets no respect.

Our fear of profiling is stupid.
 

Ns1

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Did you look at those pictures? You cannot tell shit. A big fuzzy human like shape. Wow!

Who cares. You see more of you and your childrens skin etc at the beach or pool.

Unlike the beach or pool, someone isn't measuring the length of your dick on the other side of the wall and then tweeting about it.
 

pcgeek11

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You will forgive me if I take a medical doctors opinion over yours or the TSAs.

Oh really? Again, they just implemented these policies and already we have fucked up stories like:

"“I have to go in your waistband, I have to put my hand down your pants,” after which he did precisely that."

or how about

"Owen JJ Stone appeared on The Alex Jones Show today to discuss the incident and how the TSA goon ‘touched his junk’ by specifically patting his backside and testicles while his hand was inside Stone’s pants – video of the interview coming soon."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/tsa-now-putting-hands-down-fliers-pants.html

You really want to compare her doctor to a TSA agent? Really? A doctor compared to a $12 an hour flunky, gee how will I ever think of a retort to that brilliant argument?

Tell ya what, fire all of the current TSA agents and replace them with medical doctors and they can give us all checkups as we go through security. At least then we will get some actual benefit out of the bullshit.

Try again.

General Practice Medical Doctors are NOT Trained to make these types of determinations. Only specialist ( Nuclear medicine etc... )

Yeah there is no such thing as a perverted Doctor. They screen them all out in medical school right? :) I'd be willing to bet there are as many screwed up medical doctors as there are TSA Agents. What bearing does $12 an hour have on it besides nothing.

The facts remain that the TSA Chief stated that " get used to it, they are not changing the policy". Don't fly it will make it easier on the ones that are not afraid of the boogey man.

And yes YOU ARE paranoid. read the definition again.
 

pcgeek11

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Unlike the beach or pool, someone isn't measuring the length of your dick on the other side of the wall and then tweeting about it.

Do you really think they care how small your dick is? Get over yourself.
 

werepossum

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Did you look at those pictures? You cannot tell shit. A big fuzzy human like shape. Wow!

Who cares. You see more of you and your childrens skin etc at the beach or pool.

LOL I like how you smoothly swerved from "There are no pictures!" to "There are pictures, but that doesn't matter because they aren't good pictures!" It takes a lot of moral flexibility to be a progressive.

Senator Claire McCaskill says the pat downs are just "love pats".
"I'm wildly excited that I can walk through a machine instead of getting my dose of love pats," Sen. McCaskill said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/17/national/main7063414.shtml

Anybody believe that the good senator will ever again go through the nudie show OR the groping line?
 

DominionSeraph

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Wait, are you saying that blowing up a plane with 200 people on it would be more effective than blowing up the whole fucking security area in every major hub airport and killing 5 times as many people at each airport? Really? Recovery is "pathetically easy"? It would take them weeks to "investigate" and clean up the blood alone. Blowing up a plane does relatively little at stopping air traffic, all it does is kill people. Blowing up the security area of an airport actually stops air traffic from that airport until they clean up the mess, figure out an entirely new security program, and then rebuild\repair the existing and new security. Plus it would be much more effective at scaring people (you know, the "terror" part of "terrorism" or more bluntly the entire goal of terrorism) from flying because it wasn't just a single security breech that you could add little more theatrics to make people think they are safer.

You are completely clueless about the world in which we live.
Bodies and wreckage are nothing special. We lose 33,000 people a year in car accidents, yet few live in terror of their cars. Why? Because they are in control.

The physical attack is nothing. The economy doesn't care if you kill a thousand workers. It doesn't care if you demolish a few structures. We can build thousands of structures a day and we have millions of unemployed.
You set off a bomb in an airport and the airport could be back in operation in minutes if quite laissez faire. A few hours if they want to get their ducks in a row first. Real damage would be to blow up the control tower or the fuel dump. The passenger terminal is a luxury.
You seem to think that a lengthy police shutdown is a logical necessity. It is not. The universe makes no such demands. Such is merely a voluntary expense. An indulgence.

An airport is an area you're just passing through. You spend little time in any one area. Even if attacks have occurred in the past, the chance of you being in the specific area where an attack is occurring is low, and you have your feet on the ground so you can respond.
In an airplane you have no freedom. You are trapped for hours, and if a terrorist decides to attack your plane you're helpless. You can't walk on air, so there is no escape.
Terrorizing an airport visitor is far harder than terrorizing an airline passenger.

The difference between an attack on airports with an immediate response to prevent future incidents and attacks on airliners with no response to prevent future incidents is vast, and that is the situation we have here.
To my terrorist attack we apply your response: Nothing, for the government may not implement any intrusive methods. So we have airplanes blowing up left and right with nobody doing anything about it.
To your terrorist attack we apply my response: Increased security at airports. Adjusted pathing to avoid centralized crowding. If the problem is still not adequately addressed, add more airports to relieve congestion.

I was already ahead of you because my target selection was better. The difference in response absolutely crushes you.
 

DominionSeraph

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LOL I like how you smoothly swerved from "There are no pictures!" to "There are pictures, but that doesn't matter because they aren't good pictures!" It takes a lot of moral flexibility to be a progressive.

Holy shit you are retarded. Your position being unsupported on multiple levels is not an argument for your position.

Jesus Christ, argument fail!

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
 
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pcgeek11

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LOL I like how you smoothly swerved from "There are no pictures!" to "There are pictures, but that doesn't matter because they aren't good pictures!" It takes a lot of moral flexibility to be a progressive.

Senator Claire McCaskill says the pat downs are just "love pats".

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/17/national/main7063414.shtml

Anybody believe that the good senator will ever again go through the nudie show OR the groping line?

OK - I didn't locate any pictures when I first searched ... Those are some Old Pictures that you cannot tell anything about who much less make out any details.

I'm not progressive BTW I am a registered republican. Just one that isn't paranoid about radiation and frisking.

There is a difference between frisking ( even agressive frisking ) and sexually molesting someone.

As for the Back Scatter machine and radiation here are the actual facts:
http://www.fda.gov/Radiation-Emitti...tsandProcedures/SecuritySystems/ucm231857.htm

The established standard for radiation exposure for the general public from man-made, non-medical sources is 1,000 µSv (microsieverts) per year. One microsievert is one millionth of a sievert, and if you’re familiar with the now-outdated measure of rem, a sievert is 1/100 of a rem, so these are tiny little numbers.

Since it’s not possible to control all sources of radiation exposure, the general rule is to try to keep it under 250 µSv per year from sources that can be controlled. For a radiation-emitting machine to be considered “general use,” as the backscatter machines are required to be by TSA, it has to emit 1,000 times less than the 250 µSv limit for each use, or 0.25 µSv. The backscatter machines have passed that in every test. In fact, it appears that the machines actually emit 0.05 µSv per use. That means that a person could go through the machine 13 times a day for every day of the year and still not have exceeded the limit.

But there was also concern that since the exposure is primarily focused on the skin, that could be a problem area even if the general exposure was not. According to the letter, the annual dose limit for skin exposure is 50,000 µSv per year. Even if the machines emitted the required 0.25 µSv (higher than what it actually is), it would take nearly 250 exposures per day to reach the skin limit.
 
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Darwin333

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You are completely clueless about the world in which we live.
Bodies and wreckage are nothing special. We lose 33,000 people a year in car accidents, yet few live in terror of their cars. Why? Because they are in control.

Bullshit. People get freaked out about mere rumors all the time. Enough so to alter their behavior, even if for a short time. Remember the big scare about mall bombings? Mere rumors causing parents to keep their kids home from school? The list goes on. It has nothing to do with control and everything to do with reasonably accepted risk. Driving is one of those things and so is flying, except even including terrorists flying is vastly safer.

The physical attack is nothing. The economy doesn't care if you kill a thousand workers. It doesn't care if you demolish a few structures. We can build thousands of structures a day and we have millions of unemployed.

You have a point, look at how fast we rebuilt the Twin Towers.

You set off a bomb in an airport and the airport could be back in operation in minutes if quite laissez faire. A few hours if they want to get their ducks in a row first. Real damage would be to blow up the control tower or the fuel dump. The passenger terminal is a luxury.
You seem to think that a lengthy police shutdown is a logical necessity. It is not. The universe makes no such demands. Such is merely a voluntary expense. An indulgence.

I never stated it was a logical necessity. I implied it was a reality based on previous government actions which are anything but logical. Been to NY lately, how are those new towers looking?

If you honestly think that a good sized bomb with a hundred pounds of ball bearings being set off in the security line (which happens to be the ONLY way into the terminal last I checked) killing a thousand people in an airport will be cleaned up and operational again within mere hours by our government you are flat out delusional. You can argue that it is possible all you want but it simply isn't plausible considering the governments previous performance. Hell, it would take them far longer than that just to figure out who is in charge.

An airport is an area you're just passing through. You spend little time in any one area. Even if attacks have occurred in the past, the chance of you being in the specific area where an attack is occurring is low, and you have your feet on the ground so you can respond.

You gonna build a new way to enter the terminal complete with a new security area in a few hours too? And I doubt that people feel better about being blown up simply because their feet are on the ground. I know I wouldn't care where I was blown nearly as much as I cared about the fact that I was blown up.

In an airplane you have no freedom. You are trapped for hours, and if a terrorist decides to attack your plane you're helpless. You can't walk on air, so there is no escape.
Terrorizing an airport visitor is far harder than terrorizing an airline passenger.

We are talking about "blowing shit up" which is a big difference from the generic use of "attack". They don't tend to give much warning before they blow shit up to give your feet a chance to walk on any damned thing.

The difference between an attack on airports with an immediate response to prevent future incidents and attacks on airliners with no response to prevent future incidents is vast, and that is the situation we have here.
To my terrorist attack we apply your response: Nothing, for the government may not implement any intrusive methods. So we have airplanes blowing up left and right with nobody doing anything about it.
To your terrorist attack we apply my response: Increased security at airports. Adjusted pathing to avoid centralized crowding. If the problem is still not adequately addressed, add more airports to relieve congestion.

Can you link me the airplanes that have been falling out of the sky left and right? If not then the security measures we had in place before the scanners and "love pats" were adequate to prevent that, correct? Or are you saying the terrorists are only now trying to blow up planes left and right?

I was already ahead of you because my target selection was better. The difference in response absolutely crushes you.

Whatever you say buddy. Like I said, I am pretty sure that over 10K dead across multiple citites and states would have a much greater "terrorizing" effect than blowing up a single plane, especially considering that no special tactics had to be used other than putting the bomb into a handy suitcase with wheels and an extendable handle so the terrorist doesn't get cramps in his arm from holding it while he waits.

9/11 wouldn't have had anywhere close to the "terrorizing" effect if the planes simply blown up in the sky.

Oh, I am still waiting on a single news story of TSA stopping/catching a terrorist in security. You also haven't addressed the fact that a technique already used by terrorists will defeat the new security and allow them to blow planes up left and right.
 

Codewiz

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OK - I didn't locate any pictures when I first searched ... Those are some Old Pictures that you cannot tell anything about who much less make out any details.

I'm not progressive BTW I am a registered republican. Just one that isn't paranoid about radiation and frisking.

There is a difference between frisking ( even agressive frisking ) and sexually molesting someone.

As for the Back Scatter machine and radiation here are the actual facts:
http://www.fda.gov/Radiation-Emitti...tsandProcedures/SecuritySystems/ucm231857.htm

The established standard for radiation exposure for the general public from man-made, non-medical sources is 1,000 µSv (microsieverts) per year. One microsievert is one millionth of a sievert, and if you’re familiar with the now-outdated measure of rem, a sievert is 1/100 of a rem, so these are tiny little numbers.

Since it’s not possible to control all sources of radiation exposure, the general rule is to try to keep it under 250 µSv per year from sources that can be controlled. For a radiation-emitting machine to be considered “general use,” as the backscatter machines are required to be by TSA, it has to emit 1,000 times less than the 250 µSv limit for each use, or 0.25 µSv. The backscatter machines have passed that in every test. In fact, it appears that the machines actually emit 0.05 µSv per use. That means that a person could go through the machine 13 times a day for every day of the year and still not have exceeded the limit.

But there was also concern that since the exposure is primarily focused on the skin, that could be a problem area even if the general exposure was not. According to the letter, the annual dose limit for skin exposure is 50,000 µSv per year. Even if the machines emitted the required 0.25 µSv (higher than what it actually is), it would take nearly 250 exposures per day to reach the skin limit.

Do you understand the difference between concentrated doses and uniform doses. The backscatter machines give you a dose that is concentrated primarily in your skin tissue.

Over your entire body, sure that amount of radiation means nothing. However, having it just in the skin tissue presents an unknown.

ALL of the studies are years old. VERY little research has been done to evaluate the safety except to say, "well, it is below this limit we set years ago so it must be safe". The difference is how the radiation is applied.

Don't you find it a little fishy that the person selling these machines used to be the head of TSA?
 

drebo

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Ron Paul's take on the new groping policy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwsdq69AHnw

*clap*clap*clap*

It's an interesting solution to the problem, to be sure. It would have the appropriate reaction, but I don't think it addresses the underlying issue.

The issue that needs to be addressed is that the Executive Branch thinks it has the Constitutional authority to have unelected officials enforcing these kinds of "regulations" (aka. laws).
 

alchemize

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I'm flying tomorrow, 50/50 I'll be asked to go through a scanner. I will decline, and as a local law enforcement officer to be present and witness it, along with in full view of a recording camera (and I'll have my phone recording). I will be exceedingly polite, but if my testicles and/or penis are touched, I will notify the law enforcement officer that it occurred against my will, I feel I have been sexually assaulted, and let him/her decide what to do next.

DA promises to prosecute overly touchy pat downsWe are not powerless over our federal overlords, fact is we empower them.
 

Pardus

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I'm flying tomorrow, 50/50 I'll be asked to go through a scanner. I will decline, and as a local law enforcement officer to be present and witness it, along with in full view of a recording camera (and I'll have my phone recording). I will be exceedingly polite, but if my testicles and/or penis are touched, I will notify the law enforcement officer that it occurred against my will, I feel I have been sexually assaulted, and let him/her decide what to do next.

DA promises to prosecute overly touchy pat downsWe are not powerless over our federal overlords, fact is we empower them.

Good luck with the so called pat-down, I'm flying next wed and will refuse to the full body scanner as it's clear the images are being saved as per gizmodo's website. I think everyone should refuse the full body scanner, it's not proven how much radiation this thing is emitting and its gives you a chance to fuck with the TSA agents during the groping :)