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Test yourself: What is your tone perception?

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Before you get into this, I just want to state that this isn't a "right or wrong" test. This is a test of how you perceive sounds. I am not sure if the average ATer's sound gear is going to impact the results of the test. This is supposed to test if you tend to concentrate on fundamental tones or harmonics.

Intro from where I stole it:

"In recent years it has become clearer how people experience sound, and why there is so much diversity in musical and audiophile preferences.

The following test consists of 12 tone pairs which are perceived as either going up or down in height depending on your hearing.

The score should (to some extend) translate to your preferences for things like solid state or tube amps, instruments such as violins, flutes, guitars, and even genres like symphonie orchestra's, jazz etc.

Below are two links to .zip files with which you can perform the test and determine your score. A poll is also included where you can fill in your score to get an idea of scores in general."


One zip file and one Word Doc:

Right click + "save target as"

Test your "Upper tone" / "Bottom tone" perceivement

Determine your score

NOTE: Pay attention to the score method. Most of this thread so far has been trying to get that down. The first version of the score sheet was pretty hard to understand. You DO NOT just want to add up the number of times you thought it went up or down, you need to consult the chart in the "Determine your score" document.

Comments to add from the original maker of the test:

Concerning the used terminology:
I like much your term "test of bottom tone and upper tone perception". May be you can add as a reference:

"test of pitch perception preference"
Bottom tone (fundamental pitch) versus upper tone (spectral pitch) perception.

We used the terms "fundamental pitch listeners" (dominant fundamental picth perception) and "spectral pitch listeners" (dominant spectral pitch perception).
May be synonymously the terms "upper tone lsteners" and "bottom tone listeners" could be used.





Stole this from the AV123 forum, lots more info here to check out




UPDATED REFERENCE AND MORE INFO:

Hello,

Thank you much for you interest in our work on tone/sound perception,
and thank you for your helpful changes of the test performance document, my english version was a pereliminary version.

The "short test" has been performed together with "Audio magazine" in 2006 with more than 6.000 people, and is related to a detailed version with 162 tonepairs, published in 2005 in Nature Neuroscience. I would appreciate, if you could please cite this reference on your forum homepage:

P. Schneider et al., "Structural and functional asymmetry of lateral Heschl's gyrus reflects pitch perception preference", Nat.Neurosci 8, 1241-1247, 2005.
(see arno.unimaas.nl/show.cgi?fid=44349)

This paper shows the main results of the test of pitch perception preference (upper vs. bottom pitch) and demonstrates a clear neuronal basis.
After analysis of the "short test results" (6.000 subjects", we found that the distribution of pitch perception index (value range -1 to +1) is a little bit different to the large test distribution shown in our 2005 NN paper. The latter shows a clearly bimodal distribution, whereas the short test shows a maximum for -1 and a sort of normal distribution peaking at +0.2 for the rest (ecxept -1). The reason is, that for the larger test, we discuss a third modus of perception (octave shifted fundamental pitch perception, see Methods part of our 2005 paper).
We have just started to develop a new, better test version with about 30 tonepairs (test duration about 5 min.) which will allow to have more detailled information on pitch perception differences as be given by the actual 12 tone test. I will inform you, if availabel (may be in 2-3 month)

There is another recent paper which is related to the pitch test, which you might refer to on your forum homepage:
P. Schneider et al, "Structural, functional and perceptual differences in heschl's gyrus and musical instrument preference", Ann. N. Y. Acad. Sci. 1060, 387-395, 2005.

For the link of our homepage, you should use the english version:
http://www.klinikum.uni-heidelberg.de/index.php?id=5503&L=en

Peter Schneider

Dr. Peter Schneider
Neurologische Klinik
Sektion Biomagnetismus (MEG-Labor)
Ebene 99, Raum 10 1 B
Im Neuenheimer Feld 400
69120 Heidelberg
Germany
peter.schneider@med.uni-heidelberg.de



Additional:

Hello again,

Here you can downlowd the 2nd pitch paper which I mentioned before.

www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/pdf/10.1196/annals.1360.033

Best wishes,
Peter Schneider


 

AbAbber2k

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I got 0/12... assuming I'm scoring it correctly. :p I perceived half as rising and half as falling.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
I got 0/12... assuming I'm scoring it correctly. :p I perceived half as rising and half as falling.

uhhh.... no
 

mobobuff

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Uh... the scoring mechanism is slightly confusing. But I got 0.5? So I'm between mixed and upper-tone. Seems like a good spot to be.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Originally posted by: mobobuff
Uh... the scoring mechanism is slightly confusing. But I got 0.5? So I'm between mixed and upper-tone. Seems like a good spot to be.

I'm not even sure I did it right now :eek:
 

mobobuff

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Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: mobobuff
Uh... the scoring mechanism is slightly confusing. But I got 0.5? So I'm between mixed and upper-tone. Seems like a good spot to be.

I'm not even sure I did it right now :eek:

I think you got it, just convert your fractions to decimals and you're golden.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Does this sound right? I agree that the directions suck.

For Tone pair #1 if you think the pair was rising, you get a U, if you think Tone pair #1 was falling, you get a B.

You find out the total number of Us and Bs and then plug them into the Score equation

(#U - #B) / 12
 

AbAbber2k

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Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
I got 0/12... assuming I'm scoring it correctly. :p I perceived half as rising and half as falling.

uhhh.... no

Care to fill me in on how to properly score it then? I question whether the test was written by someone with a firm grasp of the english language. "It is not allowed to repeat parts of the test."

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Does this sound right? I agree that the directions suck.

For Tone pair #1 if you think the pair was rising, you get a U, if you think Tone pair #1 was falling, you get a B.

You find out the total number of Us and Bs and then plug them into the Score equation

(#U - #B) / 12

That's what I did. :p (6-6)/12 = 0/12 :p
 

HamburgerBoy

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Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Does this sound right? I agree that the directions suck.

For Tone pair #1 if you think the pair was rising, you get a U, if you think Tone pair #1 was falling, you get a B.

You find out the total number of Us and Bs and then plug them into the Score equation

(#U - #B) / 12

-2 out of 12 then... I think. :confused:
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Once I figure this out I'm going to trash the poll and start a new one

or just trash the whole thread :p
 

AbAbber2k

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Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Once I figure this out I'm going to trash the poll and start a new one

or just trash the whole thread :p

(#Rising - #Falling)/12 makes more sense than (#Upper Tones - #Lower Tones)/12
 

HamburgerBoy

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Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
(#Rising - #Falling)/12 makes more sense than (#Upper Tones - #Lower Tones)/12

Agreed. I wrote mine in rising/falling format and then tried to adapt the upper/lower tone BS from that. Pretty confusing. :confused:
 

mobobuff

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NOTICE: Don't use my grading method! It is WRONG! In fact, don't listen to anything I said in this thread!

Alright, this is what I did.

I opened notepad and listed 1-12 vertically. I listened to the sound file and put a U if I thought it was going up (the first note was lower than the second note) or a D if I thought it was going down (the first note was higher than the second note). So your results might look like this..

1. U
2. U
3. D
4. D
5. D
6. D
7. D
8. U
9. U
10. D
11. U
12. U

Just replace "B" for "D" in the score system and plug in your numbers. The equation for the results I made up would be (6-6)/12. So 0/12 = 0.

Say you got 2 U and 10 D. (2-10)/12 is -8/12, which is -.67. The lowest value you can get is -1 and the highest is 1.


Edit: Fsck I made a lot of mistakes in that.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Once I figure this out I'm going to trash the poll and start a new one

or just trash the whole thread :p

(#Rising - #Falling)/12 makes more sense than (#Upper Tones - #Lower Tones)/12

I don't think this really captures the same thing the directions are trying to get at though.

Maybe I don't understand it though.

For example for just the first three

If you think that it was
Falling
Falling
Rising

Then if you were counting rising vs falling:

(#Rising - #Falling) = (1 - 2) = -1

if you were looking at the column that you perceived the two tones (rising vs falling) and then looked up the letter in the row for that tone pair:

(#U - #B) = (0 - 3) = -3
 

mobobuff

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The test is telling you if you have a predisposition to hear higher tones or lower tones. If you heard more significance in lower tones, your results will be < 0. If you thought most tones were higher, your results will be > 0. If you had no tendencies one way or the other, your score will be 0. This IS a right-or-wrong test, though, because there are definite answers. Basically a 0 on this test is a 100%. The farther you are away from 0 the lower your grade.

0 = A
-/+ .2 = B
-/+ .4 = C
-/+ .6 = D
-/+ .8 = F
-/+ 1 = Special Ed
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
if you were looking at the column that you perceived the two tones (rising vs falling) and then looked up the letter in the row for that tone pair:

(#U - #B) = (0 - 3) = -3

That made less sense than the directions themselves. :confused:

"Your task is to write down for each pair if you perceived the tone going up (rising) or down (falling) when going from A to B."

"Score = (#U - #B) / 12

#U = Number of perceived ?Upper tones?
#B = Number of perceived ?Bottom tones?"

I think you're making it more complicated than it really is.

How did you score your test btw? You're like the only one that hasn't actually posted a score/synopsis.

I got a score of -12/12 = -1

I thought it went

1 falling
2 falling
3 rising
4 rising
5 rising
6 rising
7 falling
8 falling
9 rising
10 falling
11 falling
12 rising

This is what I'm thinking

For Tone pair #1 if you think it went UP, add a U to your total
For Tone pair #1 if you think it went DOWN, add a B to your total

For Tone pair #2 if you think it went UP, add a U to your total
For Tone pair #2 if you think it went DOWN, add a B to your total

For Tone pair #3 if you think it went UP, add a B to your total
For Tone pair #3 if you think it went DOWN, add a U to your total

#4 UP B
#4 DOWN U

#5 UP B
#5 DOWN U

#6 UP B
#6 DOWN U

#7 UP U
#7 DOWN B

#8 UP U
#8 DOWN B

#9 UP B
#9 DOWN U

#10 UP U
#10 DOWN B

#11 UP U
#11 DOWN B

#12 UP B
#12 DOWN U
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Originally posted by: mobobuff
The test is telling you if you have a predisposition to hear higher tones or lower tones. If you heard more significance in lower tones, your results will be < 0. If you thought most tones were higher, your results will be > 0. If you had no tendencies one way or the other, your score will be 0. This IS a right-or-wrong test, though, because there are definite answers. Basically a 0 on this test is a 100%. The farther you are away from 0 the lower your grade.

0 = A
-/+ .2 = B
-/+ .4 = C
-/+ .6 = D
-/+ .8 = F
-/+ 1 = Special Ed

Your answers are mostly different than the ones I got

Are you saying that for the first two test tones, you think it sounds like it rises from A to B?

I hear it falling.

This is what the test is trying to capture, not how many total up or down you hear.


EDIT:

Your answers My answers
1. Rising........ Falling
2. Rising........ Falling
3. Falling........ Rising
4. Falling........ Rising
5. Falling........ Rising
6. Falling........ Rising
7. Falling........ Falling
8. Rising........ Falling
9. Rising........ Rising
10. Falling........ Falling
11. Rising........ Falling
12. Rising........ Rising
 

mobobuff

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Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: mobobuff
The test is telling you if you have a predisposition to hear higher tones or lower tones. If you heard more significance in lower tones, your results will be < 0. If you thought most tones were higher, your results will be > 0. If you had no tendencies one way or the other, your score will be 0. This IS a right-or-wrong test, though, because there are definite answers. Basically a 0 on this test is a 100%. The farther you are away from 0 the lower your grade.

0 = A
-/+ .2 = B
-/+ .4 = C
-/+ .6 = D
-/+ .8 = F
-/+ 1 = Special Ed

Your answers are almost completely different than the ones I got

Are you saying that for the first two test tones, you think it sounds like it rises from A to B?

I hear it falling.

This is what the test is trying to capture, not how many total up or down you hear.

I never posted my results, I closed my original notepad. The results I posted I made up for an example. If you want my actual results I'll take the test again.

My math works and correlates with the score sheet, that's why I think it's right, or right enough anyway.

My scoring system also keeps the test's original purpose. For example, if you thought tone #2 was going up, when it actually went down, you have a tendency to WANT to hear a higher note after that specific note. Frequencies play a vital role in this test.
 

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Originally posted by: mobobuff
The test is telling you if you have a predisposition to hear higher tones or lower tones. If you heard more significance in lower tones, your results will be < 0. If you thought most tones were higher, your results will be > 0. If you had no tendencies one way or the other, your score will be 0. This IS a right-or-wrong test, though, because there are definite answers. Basically a 0 on this test is a 100%. The farther you are away from 0 the lower your grade.

0 = A
-/+ .2 = B
-/+ .4 = C
-/+ .6 = D
-/+ .8 = F
-/+ 1 = Special Ed

I scored a -1. According to the AV123 thread, the terms "upper tone" and "lower tone" are essentially translational errors. The terms we should be using are "harmonic" and "fundamental." The test then is trying to determine if, when listening, we focus more on the harmonics or the fundamental of a given tone. Those who score lower are those who pay more attention to the fundamental, those who score higher focus on the harmonics. It has nothing to do with your preference for lower or higher tones. Nor is it a 100% right or wrong test. Someone who listens more strongly to harmonics can easily perceive a different progression of tones than someone who hears fundamentals.
 

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Well depending on the scoring system I either do really good or really bad. But at least half the tones I could almost go both ways on. If I could hear the tones in reverse order I bet I would do much better on the iffy ones. Actually, the test would probably be more accurate if it were 24 tone pairs, half simply the reverse of the rest.
 

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Originally posted by: mobobuff
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: mobobuff
The test is telling you if you have a predisposition to hear higher tones or lower tones. If you heard more significance in lower tones, your results will be < 0. If you thought most tones were higher, your results will be > 0. If you had no tendencies one way or the other, your score will be 0. This IS a right-or-wrong test, though, because there are definite answers. Basically a 0 on this test is a 100%. The farther you are away from 0 the lower your grade.

0 = A
-/+ .2 = B
-/+ .4 = C
-/+ .6 = D
-/+ .8 = F
-/+ 1 = Special Ed

Your answers are almost completely different than the ones I got

Are you saying that for the first two test tones, you think it sounds like it rises from A to B?

I hear it falling.

This is what the test is trying to capture, not how many total up or down you hear.

I never posted my results, I closed my original notepad. The results I posted I made up for an example. If you want my actual results I'll take the test again.

My math works and correlates with the score sheet, that's why I think it's right, or right enough anyway.

My scoring system also keeps the test's original purpose. For example, if you thought tone #2 was going up, when it actually went down, you have a tendency to WANT to hear a higher note after that specific note. Frequencies play a vital role in this test.

I'm confused by your method. Can you explain it again?

I was originally very confused by your results in your example case since you had your totals wrong (now it adds up)

I don't uderstand your method since you seem to just add up the Us and Bs that you got from either going up or down. Since some go up and some go down, there is order to the list.

If you got

Rising
Rising
Rising
Rising
Rising
Rising
Falling
Falling
Falling
Falling
Falling
Falling

in your method, would it be the same score as

Falling
Falling
Falling
Falling
Falling
Falling
Rising
Rising
Rising
Rising
Rising
Rising

EDIT:fvcked up my copy/paste the first time :p

With my scoring system, those answers would get

(4-8)/12 = -4/12 = -0.33

and

(8-4)/12 = 4/12 = 0.33