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Tesselation done properly..according to AMD

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happy medium said:
then why is AMD trying to do it properly? Thats the title of this thread.
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They already do it 'properly'. Did you read the article? It seems logical that the natural evolution of video cards continues to get more and more powerful... So, naturally, with that the tessellation performance would increase as well. Not sure what is so hard to understand here.
 
ArchAngel777 said:
They already do it 'properly'
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I agree, but they do it much slower then Nvidia does. Funny how Nvidia's new gtx5xxx chips didn't need a tessalation overhaul ha?

AMD 58xx series owners are going to be sorry some day. Thats my point.
Except for the very few that upgrade a 300/400$ card every year or so.
 
happy medium said:
I agree, but they do it much slower then Nvidia does. Funny how Nvidia's new gtx5xxx chips didn't need a tessalation overhaul ha?

AMD 58xx series owners are going to be sorry some day. Thats my point.
Except for the very few that upgrade a 300/400$ card every year or so.
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I don't think the 5870 owners are sorry. Can you point me to the games that are unplayable with Tessellation on the 5870? Meanwhile, 5870 owners were the fastest kids on the block for almost a year! Sounds like they received a bargain to me.
 
ArchAngel777 said:
I don't think the 5870 owners are sorry. Can you point me to the games that are unplayable with Tessellation on the 5870? Meanwhile, 5870 owners were the fastest kids on the block for almost a year! Sounds like they received a bargain to me.
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*going to be sorry* you misread.
 
happy medium said:
I agree, but they do it much slower then Nvidia does. Funny how Nvidia's new gtx5xxx chips didn't need a tessalation overhaul ha?

AMD 58xx series owners are going to be sorry some day. Thats my point.
Except for the very few that upgrade a 300/400$ card every year or so.
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Only in the same way owners of any video card are going to be sorry some day.

No-one expects their card to be high end forever.
 
happy medium said:
*going to be sorry* you misread.
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Well, anyone can attempt to predict the future. Like, you think 5870 owners are 'going to be sorry' where I think many people who went nVidia last december 'are sorry' because not only can they not Tessellate, but they cannot even DX11!!!
 
WelshBloke said:
Only in the same way owners of any video card are going to be sorry some day.

No-one expects their card to be high end forever.
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Not exactly.

I see mostly console ports with added tessalation in our future.
SO a gtx470 with its superior tessalation abilities should outlast a 5850, mabe even a 5870 if we have the same 2010 graphics with added tessalation.

There must be a reason for AMD to double up its tessalator engine with the 69xx series? Nvidia must have thought they had enough allready, they had no such update.
 
Wreckage said:
Not really. If you look at a recent game like Metro2033 (Cool game, like HL2). The 460 is able to match the 5870. I don't think you can have "too much".
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Obviously the GTX 460 just doesn't have enough. What a dog slow card.

GTX 460s owners are going to be sorry someday. That's my point.
 
wait, wait...excuse me. but uhm....wheres the games with this supposed tessalation done right? someones blog, card specs and all the other talk doesn't mean anything to me. i want to see some product i can play.
 
happy medium said:
I agree, but they do it much slower then Nvidia does. Funny how Nvidia's new gtx5xxx chips didn't need a tessalation overhaul ha?

AMD 58xx series owners are going to be sorry some day. Thats my point.
Except for the very few that upgrade a 300/400$ card every year or so.
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Right, they added the tessellation with the GTX4xx to begin with, typically a brand new architecture isn't going to get an overhaul on the very next generation... well, it's not really a new generation for Nvidia, it's just the part they announced some 14 months ago finally making it to market (not that it's a bad thing necessarily, seeing as the GTX480 was the fastest single GPU card, so they didn't need the extra 32 shaders right away).

This tessellation arguement is a lot like video card memory. Having 1GB on a 3870 doesn't matter. Having 1GB on a 4870 makes a bit of difference. We are still playing probably something like 80% console ports. A lot of newer games still use DX9. If someone was buying a card today and wanted to keep it for four years, sure, they can probably get higher tessellation levels at that time on a GTX480. But, the game will still need a lot of options turned down. Maybe 1.5GB will be a limit. Maybe texture fillrate would be a limit.

I just don't see tessellation being a big selling point on Nvidia's cards. I think AMD feels that they need to improve their tessellator because Nvidia can kill them in marketing if they don't. Why do you think Nvidia tried to improve their thermals and power use characteristics if many hardcore gamers don't care about that?
 
Wreckage said:
Not really. If you look at a recent game like Metro2033 (Cool game, like HL2). The 460 is able to match the 5870. I don't think you can have "too much".

http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/19242/10

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Umm, so far from true. my friend has a 460 and a 5870, and the 5870 plays Metro much better than the GTX 460.


What you fail to realize is that the advantage you are seeing in metro is coming from the poor 4xaa support that the radeons have in metro. If you run AAA instead of 4x aa the tables turn tremendously and the game is far more playable than the graphs you linked too. No cards should be running 4xAA in metro for that matter because performance is too slow to justify it.

Seems like benchmark cherry picking is still something you specialize in.


And before you call me an AMD fan boy I feel the need to tell you that there is a sexy GTX 580 in my rig.
 
happy medium said:
Not exactly.

I see mostly console ports with added tessalation in our future.
SO a gtx470 with its superior tessalation abilities should outlast a 5850, mabe even a 5870 if we have the same 2010 graphics with added tessalation.

There must be a reason for AMD to double up its tessalator engine with the 69xx series? Nvidia must have thought they had enough allready, they had no such update.
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If its just tessellation bolted on to a console port then I can't see that as being much of a worry.
 
lavaheadache said:
Umm, so far from true. my friend has a 460 and a 5870, and the 5870 plays Metro much better than the GTX 460.


What you fail to realize is that the advantage you are seeing in metro is coming from the poor 4xaa support that the radeons have in metro. If you run AAA instead of 4x aa the tables turn tremendously and the game is far more playable than the graphs you linked too. No cards should be running 4xAA in metro for that matter because performance is too slow to justify it.

Seems like benchmark cherry picking is still something you specialize in.


And before you call me an AMD fan boy I feel the need to tell you that there is a sexy GTX 580 in my rig.
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OK.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/hardware-tesselation.html#

Look at AvP, Stalker, Stone Giant, Uniheven. NVIDIA's midrange chip is matching the fastest chip AMD has ever had. It's clear that NVIDIA is doing tessellation right and AMD is in trouble.
 
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