KK
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Actually, I haven't heard one conservative personally say that she shouldn't be let go. And thats here in the south, with a large religious lemming population. I'm conservative on all aspects except abortions and this issue, and believe what the republican lawmakers are doing is disgraceful and make them look like jackasses, kinda like those damn idiot liberals on all other issues.
Originally posted by: KK
Actually, I haven't heard one conservative personally say that she shouldn't be let go. And thats here in the south, with a large religious lemming population. I'm conservative on all aspects except abortions and this issue, and believe what the republican lawmakers are doing is disgraceful and make them look like jackasses, kinda like those damn idiot liberals on all other issues.
Mega-Dittos! (Gotta know that'll piss off some libs here) :laugh:
I too disagree with my party and what they are doing with this. Of course, it's a wonderful thing that we can do so and not worry about getting nuked by our own party members.
The definition of a joke in this is the lawyer/advisor/spokesman for the Schaivo family (not sure which role he was playing) this morning actually blaming the GOP for not giving Terri a chance to live. He went on to say something about how they (the Republicans) need only to have three more people come forth and change their vote and what a travesty this was going to be if it happened on their watch. Seems like he has his agenda mixed up. What he needed was for a few more of his liberal friends to step up, instead of cowering in a non-commital corner. He seemed to forget which party was trying to get the tube reinserted and let his left leanings cloud his judgement
Mind you, I am not in agreement that the tube should be reinserted. I think Terri should be allowed to die with dignity now. It probably should have happened sooner.
Buzz2b,
How are you blaming the liberals for clouding the Schiave family lawyer's statements? That makes no sense. When it comes to "culture of life issues", the lawyer is clearly pandering to the far right religous groups. I don't see how you can confuse them with the liberal left.
How are you blaming the liberals for clouding the Schiave family lawyer's statements? That makes no sense. When it comes to "culture of life issues", the lawyer is clearly pandering to the far right religous groups. I don't see how you can confuse them with the liberal left.
Miramonti
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- Aug 26, 2000
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A request for an expedited 11th circuit rehearing of all 11 judges has been denied, and the supreme court appeal is now the next step. Previously they lost in the ruling by 3 appeal judges, so they requested an expedited rehearing by the full 11 (or 12?) judges. Thats just refused to consider the review, and a supreme court appeal must now be filed to continue the appeal process.
Aquila76
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I know this may seem harsh, but where are the 'Angel of Death' nurses when you really need them? This poor woman has gone on long enough in suffering, and needs to be released. I agree that starvation is not a great idea, however it's the only way available right now. We Americans apparently are too cruel to allow something like a morphine OD or something of the like to end her life in a painless way.
It's not as much Americans as much as the medical practice itself, which is directed toward healing and never taking of life. There has long been a distinction between ACTIVE and PASSIVE euthanasia (as defined by philosopher James Rachels). Active is where you take direct actions to contribute to the death of an individual - where death is an objective, not a consequence. Passive euthanasia is where you take actions which lead to death as a consequence. For instance, my grandfather had cancer and was in a great deal of pain. Doctors continued giving him increasing doses of morphine for the pain with the knowledge he would die eventually as a result, which he did. This is passive.
Personally, I don't see a distinction between the two at all, but I can see where people can differentiate between the two.
Aquila76
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I think I need to clarify my post. I mean I think we should let her have a lethal dose of morphine or Demerol or whatever so she can pass away fast, instead of languishing for weeks. When we decide to end a beloved pet's life due to something they can't recover from, their death is instant and painless via injection. Why can't we do that for a beloved parent or spouse - like Terri?
mrSHEiK124
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- Mar 6, 2004
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There's so many ways she could pass on peacefully, but our country is full of a bunch of blubbering pussies like her parents. She has been brain dead for over a decade now, she isn't coming back, I don't give a rats ass if she blinked, EVERYBODY BLINKS. Just let the poor woman die, she's suffered long enough. And if a morphine OD isn't humane enough, what about some buckshot to the head?
/sarcasm if you didn't pick it up on the last line
/sarcasm if you didn't pick it up on the last line
judasmachine
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JulesMaximus
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There's a good movie about this issue that I saw years ago. I think it was made in the '80s and it stars Richard Dreyfuss. It's called 'Whose Life is it Anyway?'
"It's a debate about the ethics of euthanasia and one person's right to choose whether to live or die. Dreyfuss plays a sculptor who, after a car accident, is left a paraplegic. Appalled at the prospect of a life in which he has no control of anything, he pleads with hospital authorities to help him die. When they refuse, he takes them to court. Dreyfuss brings great passion to a role in which he can't even use his body; the humor is often pitch-black, but it works, both as a script and as a cinematically opened-up version of a play."
I think it is a good movie to watch no matter which side of the coin you are on. It's well acted and pretty emotional and well worth a viewing if you haven't seen it. Might even change a few opinions.
"It's a debate about the ethics of euthanasia and one person's right to choose whether to live or die. Dreyfuss plays a sculptor who, after a car accident, is left a paraplegic. Appalled at the prospect of a life in which he has no control of anything, he pleads with hospital authorities to help him die. When they refuse, he takes them to court. Dreyfuss brings great passion to a role in which he can't even use his body; the humor is often pitch-black, but it works, both as a script and as a cinematically opened-up version of a play."
I think it is a good movie to watch no matter which side of the coin you are on. It's well acted and pretty emotional and well worth a viewing if you haven't seen it. Might even change a few opinions.
First of all, reread my post. I said
Translation, ("for those in Rio Linda"), he is so hell bent to blame the GOP for not getting something done that he forgets that he didn't actually need additional GOP votes. He could have gotten the results he/they wanted if a few Dems would have stepped up and voted like he wanted. They didn't. But instead of saying the Dems failed them, or at least that BOTH parties have "failed" the family, he blamed the GOP for the failure. And they were the ones that at least tried to do something; no matter what a good deal of folks in their own party thought. That's the key to this and why I said what I did. You don't bite the hand trying to feed you (bad, unintended, pun but I'll leave it). You don't blame the party trying to help you. That makes absolutely no sense. Not unless you want to go out of your way to place blame on, and have others look badly towards a certain conservative party.
In addition, in this instance, he was neither appealing nor pandering to the "far right religious groups"; his diatribe was all about blalming the GOP and how they would be sorry if they let this happen and what a travesty it would be if it did so "on their watch". It is vaguely possible that this little "fit" he threw might have been a back-door way to appeal to the religious groups but it would surely be one of the strangest ways. Not likely in my book.
mrSHEiK124
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- Mar 6, 2004
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Look who is talking about being ignorant. SHE HASN'T MOVED FOR TEN FVCKING YEARS. My god, some people have their heads so far up their asses.........wow, something really good could've gone after that.
mrSHEiK124
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dude, whole $hit, thats what I meant, who cares if it was 10 years or 15 years? If it really is 15, then it just makes the people who want her to live's case look even more riddiculous.
Aquila76
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mrSHEiK124
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