terrorist attack in Orlando gay club - 50 dead, another 53 wounded

[michal1980]

As I posted in another thread, don't necessarily blame this on ISIS or radical Islamic terrorism. The blame is right here under our very nose. And they call these terrorist radical extremist fundamentalist Christians.

A Muslim kills 50. and your such a fucking liberal ideologue that you still manage to blame Christians for this?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

The only thing that could make the right more ambivalent about this is if the attacker shot up a group of mexicans.

Or a Planned Parenthood clinic. There's actually a lot of similarity between this shooter and Robert Lewis Dear, Jr, though those same people will be loathe to admit it.

 

[1prophet]

As I posted in another thread, don't necessarily blame this on ISIS or radical Islamic terrorism. The blame is right here under our very nose. And they call these terrorist radical extremist fundamentalist Christians.

And this type of bullshit apologist mental gymnastics in this case by by phony liberals is why guys like Trump are surging in popularity.

 

[brycejones]

Putin publicly called out Obama for creating ISIS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuceU3x2Ww

But you can keep your head in the sand. Obviously you have nothing material to add to the discussion.

Well hell, if the authoritarian defacto dictator of another country says it it must be true.

Wtf is wrong with you?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yeah, you got me. Nightclub fires like those can't ever happen in the U.S. 🙄

The Station Nightclub in Rhode Island: 100 dead and 230 injured

The Happy Land fire in New York: 87 dead and 6 injured

The Beverly Hills Supper Club fire in Kentucky: 165 dead and 200 injured

Now your turn genius. Please name me a any mass shooting in the U.S. that had so many casualties. I didn't think so.

Again all those fires are located in buildings with substandard fire systems, I know for a fact the first two were warned about building code violations I'm not so sure about the third but I'll bet it had violations and/or was over occupied.
Sorry its too Hollywood of a thought to think you'd be able to toss a firebomb into a club and immediately kill hundreds it wouldn't work that way most of the time
People can walk in armed and cause damage pretty easily

Edit:

total number of people in the Beverly Hills Supper club on May 28, 1977 at somewhere around 3,200, substantially more than the 1,500 people fire code allowed at the time for a building with the number of exits the club had

Substandard building, substandard fire egress and substandard fire suppression too

 

[StrangerGuy]

And this type of bullshit apologist mental gymnastics in this case by by phony liberals is why guys like Trump are surging in popularity.

Now that LGBTs have outlived their usefulness in their convenient double standards agenda, its time to also conveniently move on to the "plight" of these Islamic terrorists. Then the rebuttal is of course the same old "why are you uncivilized people arguing this inane shit in a time of great sorrow blah blah" hypocritical crap.

 

[Meghan54]

No... but it just seems like islamic extremist perform these crimes more often than not. I could be wrong

Depends upon what you mean by "more often than not". There've been 3, including Orlando yesterday, mass shootings known to be driven by Muslim/Islamist radical beliefs since Jan. 2015. There have been 10 mass shootings during that same time frame, the rest committed by 5 white males, 1 black male, and 1 latino male. So, that's 1/3, which admittedly is a large increase when contrasted to all mass shootings in the U.S. since 1999.

So let's count the mass shootings with a known Muslim/Islamic terrorist link from 1999, OK?


There's the Orlando club from yesterday.

12/2/2015, the San Bernardino, California mass shooting, Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik

7/16/2015, the Chattanooga, TN, military recruitment center shooting, Mohammod Youssuf Abdulazeez

11/5/2009, Fort Hood, Texas massacre, Nidal Malik Hasan

The 2/12/2007 shooting in Salt Lake City, Utah at Trolley Square by Sulejman Talović has been suggested he was carrying out an Islamic inspired terror event, but the FBI denies this.

At most 4, with 3 definitely confirmed.

Since 1999, there've been 55 mass shootings. (Picked 1999 because of Columbine.)

The rest had no Islamic/Muslim connections.

4 out of 55. The other shooters were comprised of 30 white males, 1 white female, 7 blacks, 5 Asians, 5 Latinos, and 3 Native Americans-one of which was female.


This is a link to the Mother Jones open database on mass shootings in the U.S. since 1982. Say what you will about Mother Jones, I challenge you to dispute the facts in the database.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XV4mZi3gYDgwx5PrLwqqHTUlHkwkV-6uy_yeJh3X46o/edit#gid=0

 

[Bitek]

As I posted in another thread, don't necessarily blame this on ISIS or radical Islamic terrorism. The blame is right here under our very nose. And they call these terrorist radical extremist fundamentalist Christians.

That's fucked up. According to the ex wife, he wasn't religous up until recently, but he was a longtime violent asshole with mental issues.

The ex-wife of suspected mass shooter Omar Mateen says she was repeatedly beaten throughout their marriage, characterizing Mateen as mentally disturbed and violent. “He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn't finished or something like that,” the ex-wife anonymously told The Washington Post. She also said Mateen was neither very religious nor drawn to radical Islam during their marriage, which began in March 2009, and that he owned a handgun and worked as a security guard.

Really this looks like so many mass murders of late. Mentally ill person, gets hooked on some agenda or perceived wronging, snaps, gets a load of weaponry and randomly begins killing.

 

[Bitek]

No... but it just seems like islamic extremist perform these crimes more often than not. I could be wrong

Sure is, as long as you're not counting all the mass murderers committed by non Muslims.

 

[FerrelGeek]

As I posted in another thread, don't necessarily blame this on ISIS or radical Islamic terrorism. The blame is right here under our very nose. And they call these terrorist radical extremist fundamentalist Christians.

And as others have pointed out, you're a complete moron.

 

[sm625]

Almost 700 posts in this thread and the acronym G4S doesnt even appear once. How sad.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...do-shooter-worked-security-firm-g4s/85817466/

The security firm that employed Omar Mateen, the suspect in the shooting deaths of at least 50 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando, said it carried out two background checks on him and found nothing of concern.

G4S said it had employed Mateen since Sept. 2007 and that he was off-duty at the time of the shooting.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2...eleasing-vanloads-illegal-aliens-away-border/

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is quietly transporting illegal immigrants from the Mexican border to Phoenix and releasing them without proper processing or issuing court appearance documents, Border Patrol sources tell Judicial Watch. The government classifies them as Other Than Mexican (OTM) and this week around 35 were transferred 116 miles north from Tucson to a Phoenix bus station where they went their separate way. Judicial Watch was present when one of the white vans carrying a group of OTMs arrived at the Phoenix Greyhound station on Buckeye Road.
OTM6-2016The OTMs are from Honduras, Colombia, El Salvador and Guatemala and Border Patrol officials say this week’s batch was in custody for a couple of days and ordered to call family members in the U.S. so they could purchase a bus ticket for their upcoming trip from Phoenix. Authorities didn’t bother checking the identity of the U.S. relatives or if they’re in the country legally, according to a Border Patrol official directly involved in the matter. American taxpayers pick up the fare for those who claim to have a “credible fear,” Border Patrol sources told JW. None of the OTMs were issued official court appearance documents, but were told to “promise” they’d show up for a hearing when notified, said federal agents with firsthand knowledge of the operation.

A security company contracted by the U.S. government is driving the OTMs from the Border Patrol’s Tucson Sector where they were in custody to Phoenix, sources said. The firm is called G4S and claims to be the world’s leading security solutions group with operations in more than 100 countries and 610,000 employees.

Just another one of those interesting coincidences...

 

[norseamd]

Hahaha! Yes, b/c if he was a Muslim it would have been fine. I bet you wish he was Muslim.

LMFAO

Way too true.

 

[brycejones]

Come on SM625, say what you want to say and don't beat around the bush.

 

[norseamd]

This is a link to the Mother Jones open database on mass shootings in the U.S. since 1982. Say what you will about Mother Jones, I challenge you to dispute the facts in the database.

One question, how many of the total mass shootings were politically or religiously motivated?

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

If you are already upset by what happened, then please DON'T read my post. As it may upset you even more. I'm ONLY reporting/repeating what the BBC website is saying, IT IS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING. (But I am commenting on it).

I'm rather disgusted by the video in my link (which you may need to find elsewhere to watch outside of the UK).

The father seems to be saying a TERRIBLE thing has just happened, which is his SON has been killed!
He seems to be saying his son is BLAMELESS (or words/meaning to that intent). He is blaming it on the company he worked for, because they supplied the gun AND a super being, that he believes in.

WHY is he NOT apologizing for what happened.

CRAZY!!!!!!!!

He does not seem to give the slightest tiny bit of sympathy to the poor/innocent 50 lives, just executed by the terrible son of his.

CRAZY!!!!!!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36514608

EDIT: If you think my interpretation of what he says is a bit out, I AGREE WITH YOU. It is difficult to 100% interpret a video like that (for me at least). I hope the gist of what I have said is right.

 

[Jaskalas]

The rest had no Islamic/Muslim connections.

4 out of 55. The other shooters were comprised of 30 white males, 1 white female, 7 blacks, 5 Asians, 5 Latinos, and 3 Native Americans-one of which was female.

What, no DC sniper?

It'd be proper to address them collectively, but for this latest (and worst) shooting it was a real terrorist attack via a bonafide terrorist organization. Omar is a single recruiter removed from the 1993 WTC bombing. He should be counted among the most hardcore of organized Islamic terrorism.

If he needed guns, and they weren't available legally, you can bet the guys who bombed the WTC would have provided without difficulty. They are organized crime.

I'm just amazed that our legal system lets them walk and breathe, and recruit fresh terrorists. Oh, and lets their unstable recruits work in DHS.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

This thread is not about that dude. This thread is about the other dude who actually killed 50 people while shouting Allahu Akbar and confessing to 911 that he pledged his allegiance to ISIS. Maybe you should post a thread about that dude and not try to bring some fucked up derailing agenda to this thread.

You continue to strike me as an exceptionally myopic and misguided "elite."

It seems clear that the Orlando attack was motivated, at least in part, by Muslim extremism, and in part by simple homophobia. The Santa Monica gunman shared the latter motivation, but not the former. He is not irrelevant to this discussion, because it appears he intended to commit a similar attack, for largely the same reasons, on the same day.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The only thing that could make the right more ambivalent about this is if the attacker shot up a group of mexicans.

You're fn insane. Seek help...really, seek help as you're really, really fucked up in the head.

 

[werepossum]

Again be careful the guy was said to be wearing a vest which could be a bomb vest or a tactical vest to hold guns/ammo. I've seen 3 people at the club interviewed none mentioned a bomb, which maybe they just ran but I'm holding terrorist label unless the racist nut bag that shout up the black church last year is a terrorist too.

Of course they are both terrorists.

Best wishes for the victims and their families.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

i think you have your numbers wrong. shall i explain exactly how wrong you are? or do you want to go over the maths first?

Ok, I just used a simple equation, taking those 19 tweets and dividing it by a low estimate of all muslims. Where did I go wrong?
And by the way I think the number of muslims is closer to 1.6 billion.

 

[buckshot24]

You're fn insane. Seek help...really, seek help as you're really, really fucked up in the head.

It is probably an alt, nobody could really have its opinions.

 

[norseamd]

Of course they are both terrorists.

Best wishes for the victims and their families.

This.

 

[thraashman]

What, no DC sniper?

The DC sniper was not a mass shooting. It would be either a spree killing or a serial killing, but not mass. If we're going to start including sprees and/or serial killings, the list would get out big real fast and be comprised of mostly white Christian males.

 

[thraashman]

Here's a pic of the alleged attacker in CA. Not a Muslim, I'm guessing not a terrorist then.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/california-west-hollywood-suspect-aresenal/index.html

Remember, if they're white then they're "mentally ill" or "states rights advocates" when they commit a terrorist act.

 

[JockoJohnson]

The DC sniper was not a mass shooting. It would be either a spree killing or a serial killing, but not mass. If we're going to start including sprees and/or serial killings, the list would get out big real fast and be comprised of mostly white Christian males.

Because they are doing it in the name of Christianity?