terrorist attack in Orlando gay club - 50 dead, another 53 wounded

[Jaskalas]

Let's say one of the gun enthusiasts here always talking about insurrection against the gubmint (which is far more than Omar talked about or focused on terrorism) attacked his own church. First they make a call ranting about obama and liberals and whatever. Then we find out he had troubles with people at the church, and had good reason to get back at them. Which would you think was a more likely motivation? Liberal muslim hussein obama or the actual relationship issues that affect his life?

I'd say Mateen's connections to terrorist groups were too strong to just dismiss him as a lone gunman. Especially now that the FBI is dismissing the claim of personal motive.

Is there some reason to want to let Islamic Terrorism off the hook for this, maybe so you can focus entirely on disarming "crazy Americans"? I suppose it works against the political narrative if there's a threat we need to defend ourselves against.

It sure seems like political correctness to dismiss Islamic Terrorism. Which, ultimately, is little more than enabling.

 

[Ackmed]

No peace didn't happen until everyone agreed to stop dropping bombs.

No, Fat man and Little boy made Japan surrender. Dropping Atomic bombs made Japan surrender. It was the most violent thing the US could have done. Extreme violence caused peace. Japan "agreed" to stop because of fear we'd drop another. The had no choice.

 

[werepossum]

No peace didn't happen until everyone agreed to stop dropping bombs.

Sweet Lord. Has Hillary been enclosing stupid pills with her fundraising letters this week?

 

[werepossum]

I'd say Mateen's connections to terrorist groups were too strong to just dismiss him as a lone gunman. Especially now that the FBI is dismissing the claim of personal motive.

Is there some reason to want to let Islamic Terrorism off the hook for this, maybe so you can focus entirely on disarming "crazy Americans"? I suppose it works against the political narrative if there's a threat we need to defend ourselves against.

It sure seems like political correctness to dismiss Islamic Terrorism. Which, ultimately, is little more than enabling.

Well said.

The idea that Mateen might have had "good reason to get back at" a hundred gay people he did not even know is insane on the face of it.

 

[Subyman]

I'd say Mateen's connections to terrorist groups were too strong to just dismiss him as a lone gunman. Especially now that the FBI is dismissing the claim of personal motive.

Is there some reason to want to let Islamic Terrorism off the hook for this, maybe so you can focus entirely on disarming "crazy Americans"? I suppose it works against the political narrative if there's a threat we need to defend ourselves against.

It sure seems like political correctness to dismiss Islamic Terrorism. Which, ultimately, is little more than enabling.

Actually, most of the debate has been trying to keep potential terrorists from getting guns. The terrorist connection is pretty much embedded in the gun right debate.

 

[Artdeco]

Actually, most of the debate has been trying to keep potential terrorists from getting guns. The terrorist connection is pretty much embedded in the gun right debate.

So, the goal is to prevent thought crimes?

 

[woolfe9998]

Well said.

The idea that Mateen might have had "good reason to get back at" a hundred gay people he did not even know is insane on the face of it.

He could well have been acting on Jihadist beliefs, but his targeting of an LGBT nightclub was not random. The two motives are not mutually exclusive.

Also, he can be a lone gunmen and still be an "Islamic terrorist." This was true of the Fort Hood shooter as well. Groups like ISIS can inspire attacks even if they had no hand in planning them.

 

[werepossum]

He could well have been acting on Jihadist beliefs, but his targeting of an LGBT nightclub was not random. The two motives are not mutually exclusive.

Also, he can be a lone gunmen and still be an "Islamic terrorist." This was true of the Fort Hood shooter as well. Groups like ISIS can inspire attacks even if they had no hand in planning them.

Agreed on both accounts. At the least, he was fascinated by gay men.

 

[Blue_Max]

He could well have been acting on Jihadist beliefs, but his targeting of an LGBT nightclub was not random. The two motives are not mutually exclusive.

Also, he can be a lone gunmen and still be an "Islamic terrorist." This was true of the Fort Hood shooter as well. Groups like ISIS can inspire attacks even if they had no hand in planning them.

I'm willing to place my bet that this was his big chance for forgiveness, his only chance back into Paradise after his 'sin' of homosexuality.

Wouldn't be at all surprised if he'd been caught in the crime of gay sex (and you know full well they consider it such) his choices were:

1) die by hanging, stoning, or building-toss (the preferred methods for gays)

or

2) choose a suicide mission to "repent" and bring glory to allablalwhatever.

 

[Artdeco]

Meh, he cased Disney World too, both target rich environments, and gun free zones, but the club didn't have security, plans and training like Disney World did.

Does the fact he cased Disney World make him animated?

 

[werepossum]

Meh, he cased Disney World too, both target rich environments, and gun free zones, but the club didn't have security, plans and training like Disney World did.

Does the fact he cased Disney World make him animated?

lmao!

 

[agent00f]

I'd say Mateen's connections to terrorist groups were too strong to just dismiss him as a lone gunman. Especially now that the FBI is dismissing the claim of personal motive.

Is there some reason to want to let Islamic Terrorism off the hook for this, maybe so you can focus entirely on disarming "crazy Americans"? I suppose it works against the political narrative if there's a threat we need to defend ourselves against.

It sure seems like political correctness to dismiss Islamic Terrorism. Which, ultimately, is little more than enabling.

Let's charitably assume for you that Mateen was personally sent by ISIS to kill americans. And he's evidently very competent in that regard, so as biased to you case as possible. Shall we compare how many people "Islamic Terrorism" killed in this worse case assumption to guns in this country? But i'[m not sure if we also charitably assume people hating on muslims can differentiate small vs large numbers, to compare the magnitude of problems.

FBI investigators say they have found no evidence that Orlando shooter had gay lovers

if any of these claims are true about him having gay lovers, being on hookup apps, etc, you'd think they would be easy to prove assuming they have access to the shooter's cellphone and computers.

So numerous people as reported claim they knew him from the apps and in the club. This guy on Univision voluntarily contacts the FBI, and presumably provides info of the others he mentioned. His ex-wife thinks he has gay tendencies, says his family suspects he was gay incl. instance of his father calling him gay.

Presumably if he were in the closet he wouldn't use his usual phone for the gay hookup apps. And presumably you yourself don't think much of the FBI after investigating him multiple times in the past so why accuse them of competence now?

Meh, he cased Disney World too, both target rich environments, and gun free zones, but the club didn't have security, plans and training like Disney World did.

Does the fact he cased Disney World make him animated?

Sure, because there's no other reason anyone would go to Disney and he cased it just like the grocery store and gas station or every other place he's been since april or even before. What's funny is I'm sure your sort were quick to connecting this shooting to Islamic homophobia; so it must've been musophobia that made him single out the magic kingdom.

 

[PlanetJosh]

I noticed the Disney World gator story some days ago was the first news report to begin crowding out coverage of the Orlando shooting. Life just isn't fair.