Tel Aviv Suicide Bombing Kills at Least 4

[bamacre]

STORY

TEL AVIV, Israel - A Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up in a crowd of young Israelis waiting outside a nightclub near Tel Aviv's beachfront promenade just before midnight Friday, killing at least three people, wounding dozens and shattering an informal Mideast truce.

About 20 to 30 people were waiting to get into the Stage club on Herbert Samuel street, close to the promenade. "I was near the club. There were about 20 people outside. Suddenly, there was an enormous explosion," said a witness, identified only as Tsahi.

Militants in the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a violent group with ties to Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah movement, said the Lebanese guerrilla group Hezbollah was involved in the attack.

However, Hezbollah's television station, Al Manar, reported the Islamic Jihad militant group claimed responsibility.

Israeli television showed hundreds of people milling about the area, as rescuers took away people in stretchers. One woman sat bloody and dazed in a wheelchair as she was wheeled off.

Police reported about 30 casualties, including several dead. Israel's army radio said there were three dead, but it wasn't immediately clear whether the dead included the attacker.

The Tel Aviv promenade has been hit before by Palestinian militants, including explosions outside the Dolphinarium disco and Mike's Place, a popular pub.

Looks like we are back to step one. It's obvious that neither one of these sides wants peace. In any conflict, we try to find which side is right, and which is wrong. But in this case, IMO, and it's been that way throughout the conflict, both sides are wrong. Why does anyone have to be right?

New settlements in West Bank = New suicide bombings in Israel ??

Why do the rest of the 2 billion people on this planet have to suffer because of these few million? Let's build a wall around both of these two, and just check up on things every 20 years or so.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Looks like we are back to step one. It's obvious that neither one of these sides wants peace. In any conflict, we try to find which side is right, and which is wrong. But in this case, IMO, and it's been that way throughout the conflict, both sides are wrong. Why does anyone have to be right?

New settlements in West Bank = New suicide bombings in Israel ??

Why do the rest of the 2 billion people on this planet have to suffer because of these few million? Let's build a wall around both of these two, and just check up on things every 20 years or so.

making excuses for homicidal terrorists again?

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: bamacre
Looks like we are back to step one. It's obvious that neither one of these sides wants peace. In any conflict, we try to find which side is right, and which is wrong. But in this case, IMO, and it's been that way throughout the conflict, both sides are wrong. Why does anyone have to be right?

New settlements in West Bank = New suicide bombings in Israel ??

Why do the rest of the 2 billion people on this planet have to suffer because of these few million? Let's build a wall around both of these two, and just check up on things every 20 years or so.

making excuses for homicidal terrorists again?

Both sides are not wrong. One side is trying to pull out of gaza and the other side has been lying all the way.

I think they should still try to work for peace despite this homicide attack but the Palestinians have not been honoring their side of the deal. So sad when you really think about it.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: bamacre
Looks like we are back to step one. It's obvious that neither one of these sides wants peace. In any conflict, we try to find which side is right, and which is wrong. But in this case, IMO, and it's been that way throughout the conflict, both sides are wrong. Why does anyone have to be right?

New settlements in West Bank = New suicide bombings in Israel ??

Why do the rest of the 2 billion people on this planet have to suffer because of these few million? Let's build a wall around both of these two, and just check up on things every 20 years or so.

making excuses for homicidal terrorists again?

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I am not making excuses for anyone. But evidently Israel is giving Islamic Jihad (or Hezbollah) an excuse.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: bamacre
Looks like we are back to step one. It's obvious that neither one of these sides wants peace. In any conflict, we try to find which side is right, and which is wrong. But in this case, IMO, and it's been that way throughout the conflict, both sides are wrong. Why does anyone have to be right?

New settlements in West Bank = New suicide bombings in Israel ??

Why do the rest of the 2 billion people on this planet have to suffer because of these few million? Let's build a wall around both of these two, and just check up on things every 20 years or so.

making excuses for homicidal terrorists again?

Text

I am not making excuses for anyone. But evidently Israel is giving Islamic Jihad (or Hezbollah) an excuse.

Those terrorist organizations have been attacking Israel for decades. There are no excuses. Unless the Palestinians totally disarm these terrorist organizations there won't be peace anytime soon. By the way, Hezbollah is a Iranian terrorist organization. Also there is plenty of outside interference in the Israel-Palestinian conflict, such as Saudi Arabia funneling funds to terrorist organizations and Iran sending support.

Remember Karin-A?

Again, the cycle of violence

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: bamacre
Looks like we are back to step one. It's obvious that neither one of these sides wants peace. In any conflict, we try to find which side is right, and which is wrong. But in this case, IMO, and it's been that way throughout the conflict, both sides are wrong. Why does anyone have to be right?

New settlements in West Bank = New suicide bombings in Israel ??

Why do the rest of the 2 billion people on this planet have to suffer because of these few million? Let's build a wall around both of these two, and just check up on things every 20 years or so.

making excuses for homicidal terrorists again?

Text

I am not making excuses for anyone. But evidently Israel is giving Islamic Jihad (or Hezbollah) an excuse.

Those terrorist organizations have been attacking Israel for decades. There are no excuses. Unless the Palestinians totally disarm these terrorist organizations there won't be peace anytime soon. By the way, Hezbollah is a Iranian terrorist organization. Also there is plenty of outside interference in the Israel-Palestinian conflict, such as Saudi Arabia funneling funds to terrorist organizations and Iran sending support.

Remember Karin-A?

Again, the cycle of violence

You completely ignore Israel's land grabbing. Why?

 

[Aimster]

Israel grabbed land. 6,000 new homes is not pulling back.

 

[lozina]

Hopefully Israel will not concede to these terrorists with appeasement by doing anything but pressing the peace process harder.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel grabbed land. 6,000 new homes is not pulling back.

Regardless of the truth behind your statement, it sure is enlightening to know the depth to which Palestinian sympathizers will reach to fabricate excuses for the cold blooded murder of innocent human beings.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: bamacre
Looks like we are back to step one. It's obvious that neither one of these sides wants peace. In any conflict, we try to find which side is right, and which is wrong. But in this case, IMO, and it's been that way throughout the conflict, both sides are wrong. Why does anyone have to be right?

New settlements in West Bank = New suicide bombings in Israel ??

Why do the rest of the 2 billion people on this planet have to suffer because of these few million? Let's build a wall around both of these two, and just check up on things every 20 years or so.

making excuses for homicidal terrorists again?

Both sides are not wrong. One side is trying to pull out of gaza and the other side has been lying all the way.

I think they should still try to work for peace despite this homicide attack but the Palestinians have not been honoring their side of the deal. So sad when you really think about it.

Raildog, it's not as simple as you'd like it to be. You're seeing two sides- black and white. But there are countless factions and variables involved. What you have here is a terrorist group which is opposed to the peace process between Israel and Palestine. This group is NOT under the authority of Abbas, nor is this attack in any way coordinated by Abbas and the Palestinian authority- unless you care to prove otherwise. So the worst thing Israel can do is appease this particular terrorist group by giving in to their demand and halting or restricting the peace process.

In short: peace process proceeds = this terrorist group loses

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel grabbed land. 6,000 new homes is not pulling back.

Regardless of the truth behind your statement, it sure is enlightening to know the depth to which Palestinian sympathizers will reach, to fabricate excuses for the cold blooded murder of innocent human beings.

WTF? No one here said suicide bombing was excused. No one. No one said that anyone has the right, or is justified, in murdering innocent civilians. No one.

You have blinded yourself if you find righteousness on either side of this fense.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel grabbed land. 6,000 new homes is not pulling back.

Regardless of the truth behind your statement, it sure is enlightening to know the depth to which Palestinian sympathizers will reach to fabricate excuses for the cold blooded murder of innocent human beings.

They lose their homes. They have thousands murdered as well. They cannot go to work because Israel blocks them off. Ambulances? good luck getting them to you in an emergency. They have nothing to live for. You forget Israel gets bulldozers and destroys homes without looking inside. They bomb apartment buildings because a suspected terrorist lives there without caring for the lives of the other people in the building. They just have means to save their own life in the process of killing others. This happend to poor "Jewish white people", but when innocent Palestinians die it's okay because they are "Muslim and Arab".

If Israel just treated them like humans instead of dogs maybe they would value life more.

Nobody can sit here and say it is a one-sided problem.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Those terrorist organizations have been attacking Israel for decades. There are no excuses. Unless the Palestinians totally disarm these terrorist organizations there won't be peace anytime soon. By the way, Hezbollah is a Iranian terrorist organization. Also there is plenty of outside interference in the Israel-Palestinian conflict, such as Saudi Arabia funneling funds to terrorist organizations and Iran sending support.

And what made the Palestinians resort to terrorist tactics in the first place...oppressive conditions under Israeli rule, and the increasing number of Israeli settlements that continue to restrict the Palestinians to an increasingly smaller piece of territory.

The Israelis have just as much blame for this situation as the Palestinians.

If Israel just treated them like humans instead of dogs maybe they would value life more.

Exactly...people aren't typically willing to blow themselves up unless they have nothing else to lose...Israel has condemned Palestinians to such a state of poverty and hopelessness, that becoming a suicide bomber is something to aspire to.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: bamacre
WTF? No one here said suicide bombing was excused. No one. No one said that anyone has the right, or is justified, in murdering innocent civilians. No one.

You have blinded yourself if you find righteousness on either side of this fense.

BS.

Here is your own quote..

New settlements in West Bank = New suicide bombings in Israel ??

You are equating the two. If one side feels the need to murder based upon a "perceived land grab", then I claim that there is one side that is right and one side that is wrong. It's a relatively simple concept.

The other thing that you are forgetting is that these groups have goals which include the TOTAL DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL, which destroys your contention that these bombings are a result of Israeli Settlements. I don't even have to point out that this bombing and most others were in Israel proper, do I?

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Exactly...people aren't typically willing to blow themselves up unless they have nothing else to lose...Israel has condemned Palestinians to such a state of poverty and hopelessness, that becoming a suicide bomber is something to aspire to.

Well, haven't the recent events in Iraq enabled us to retire this tired myth or are you claiming that the terrorists in Iraq are also as hopeless as the Palestinians?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Exactly...people aren't typically willing to blow themselves up unless they have nothing else to lose...Israel has condemned Palestinians to such a state of poverty and hopelessness, that becoming a suicide bomber is something to aspire to.

Well, haven't the recent events in Iraq enabled us to retire this tired myth or are you claiming that the terrorists in Iraq are also as hopeless as the Palestinians?

Iraq is an Arab country occupied by Western forces. They are doing suicide bombings becasue they want their land back or they have other agendas that have to do with the occupying forces.

How many suicide attacks in Iraq before the invasion?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: bamacre
WTF? No one here said suicide bombing was excused. No one. No one said that anyone has the right, or is justified, in murdering innocent civilians. No one.

You have blinded yourself if you find righteousness on either side of this fense.

BS.

Here is your own quote..

New settlements in West Bank = New suicide bombings in Israel ??

You are equating the two. If one side feels the need to murder based upon a "perceived land grab", then I claim that there is one side that is right and one side that is wrong. It's a relatively simple concept.

The other thing that you are forgetting is that these groups have goals which include the TOTAL DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL, which destroys your contention that these bombings are a result of Israeli Settlements. I don't even have to point out that this bombing and most others were in Israel proper, do I?

You do not understand. What I am saying is that these terrorist organizations are USING Israel's land grabbing AS AN EXCUSE. If Israel would stop expanding their settlements (i.e. the 6000 new homes in the West Bank), then the terrorist organizations would run out of excuses. And as Israel continues, so do the excuses.

Israel has the right to defend itself, but it DOES NOT have the right to continue building settlements in these areas.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Exactly...people aren't typically willing to blow themselves up unless they have nothing else to lose...Israel has condemned Palestinians to such a state of poverty and hopelessness, that becoming a suicide bomber is something to aspire to.

Well, haven't the recent events in Iraq enabled us to retire this tired myth or are you claiming that the terrorists in Iraq are also as hopeless as the Palestinians?

Iraq is an Arab country occupied by Western forces. They are doing suicide bombings becasue they want their land back or they have other agendas that have to do with the occupying forces.

How many suicide attacks in Iraq before the invasion?

No argument here. I was just dispelling the myth that suicide bombing are the work of disenfranchised and desperate peoples. It seems that you agree.

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: bamacre
You do not understand. What I am saying is that these terrorist organizations are USING Israel's land grabbing AS AN EXCUSE. If Israel would stop expanding their settlements (i.e. the 6000 new homes in the West Bank), then the terrorist organizations would run out of excuses. And as Israel continues, so do the excuses.

Israel has the right to defend itself, but it DOES NOT have the right to continue building settlements in these areas.

Actually, it is Palestinian sympathizers who use Israel?s settlements as an excuse. The terrorists would be killing innocents, settlements or not. Just look at the stated goals of Hamas.

 

[0roo0roo]

the groups that send out suicide bombers consider all of israel a reason for attack. the existence of jews in the middle east is a reason for attack. its pointless trying to point at a single reason, any reason is good for them. a few settlements as punishment for suicide attacks? wholy justified. and frankly building a house is not the taking of a life. comparing it is silly.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: bamacre
You do not understand. What I am saying is that these terrorist organizations are USING Israel's land grabbing AS AN EXCUSE. If Israel would stop expanding their settlements (i.e. the 6000 new homes in the West Bank), then the terrorist organizations would run out of excuses. And as Israel continues, so do the excuses.

Israel has the right to defend itself, but it DOES NOT have the right to continue building settlements in these areas.

Actually, it is Palestinian sympathizers who use Israel?s settlements as an excuse. The terrorists would be killing innocents, settlements or not. Just look at the stated goals of Hamas.

I would if you posted a link

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: bamacre
You do not understand. What I am saying is that these terrorist organizations are USING Israel's land grabbing AS AN EXCUSE. If Israel would stop expanding their settlements (i.e. the 6000 new homes in the West Bank), then the terrorist organizations would run out of excuses. And as Israel continues, so do the excuses.

Israel has the right to defend itself, but it DOES NOT have the right to continue building settlements in these areas.

Actually, it is Palestinian sympathizers who use Israel?s settlements as an excuse. The terrorists would be killing innocents, settlements or not. Just look at the stated goals of Hamas.

yea no kidding. they aren't shy, they state their official goals and such out in public. its plain to see. plain existence is enough. and before a single settlement was built there was terror😛 so its bs.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You are equating the two. If one side feels the need to murder based upon a "perceived land grab", then I claim that there is one side that is right and one side that is wrong. It's a relatively simple concept.

Well that "perceived land grab" typically consists of Israeli Army bulldozers knocking over Palestinian settlements to make room for Israeli homes...and not just any land, but the most desireable land in the region, based on some Biblical "perception" that all of it is the promised land God set aside just for the Jews.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel grabbed land. 6,000 new homes is not pulling back.

Yep, you're right, that deserves several blown apart innocent women and children....

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: bamacre
You do not understand. What I am saying is that these terrorist organizations are USING Israel's land grabbing AS AN EXCUSE. If Israel would stop expanding their settlements (i.e. the 6000 new homes in the West Bank), then the terrorist organizations would run out of excuses. And as Israel continues, so do the excuses.

Israel has the right to defend itself, but it DOES NOT have the right to continue building settlements in these areas.

Actually, it is Palestinian sympathizers who use Israel?s settlements as an excuse. The terrorists would be killing innocents, settlements or not. Just look at the stated goals of Hamas.

u are lazy
http://www.ict.org.il/inter_ter/orgdet.cfm?orgid=13#ideology

The principles of the Hamas are stated in their Covenant or Charter, given in full below. Following are highlights.

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

Ami Isseroffhttp://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm

I would if you posted a link