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raildogg

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Originally posted by: Aimster
The U.S killed hundreds of thousands in Japan with two bombs. Why?
Palestinians kill hundreds of Israelis. Why?

Wow you really are ignorant of history. Go read some books or something because you are severly lacking in your understanding of past events.

The two nuclear bombs America dropped on Japan saved hundreds, if not millions of more lives and it ended WW2. Wow

Are you that naive to compare us dropping atom bombs on Japan to the current Arab-Israeli conflict?

Do you realize how many thousands of American POW's were killed by Japanese during WW2? Do you realize how many German women were raped by Russian soldiers?

I could go on and on but stick to topics that make sense and relate to current events.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
If we love the Israelis and peace so much can't we just give them death valley, sprinkle some holy water on it and call it new zion and leave the palestines out of armageddon?
Or do the same for the other side

 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Aimster
The U.S killed hundreds of thousands in Japan with two bombs. Why?
Palestinians kill hundreds of Israelis. Why?

Wow you really are ignorant of history. Go read some books or something because you are severly lacking in your understanding of past events.

The two nuclear bombs America dropped on Japan saved hundreds, if not millions of more lives and it ended WW2. Wow

Are you that naive to compare us dropping atom bombs on Japan to the current Arab-Israeli conflict?

Do you realize how many thousands of American POW's were killed by Japanese during WW2? Do you realize how many German women were raped by Russian soldiers?

I could go on and on but stick to topics that make sense and relate to current events.

yup, the measure of success and correctness of the attacks is in minimizing the total loss of life. which makes it totally unlike palestinian attacks which measure their success by how well they maximized civilian casulaties for that end alone.

Or do the same for the other side

no kidding, the position that we should move a free and democratic people while rewarding terrorists is a rather strange suggestion.
 

Siwy

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
are you trying to change the definition of terror or something? terror attacks were used from the start. unless you are going to pretend that palestinians chose violence only after 94..whats your point:p iran deployed suicide squads of youth in the 80s during their war and hesbollah carried out 50 suicide attacks in lebanon in the 80s too. its nothing new. ideological fervor+brainwashing can create monsters. nothing new.

Yes, terror attacks were used from the start by Israel, like brutal massacre of 260 Arab residents in the Deir Yassir village in 1948 or 1982 Beirut massacre killing more than 1000 people for which Sharon was fired ~ yes there were plenty of those
 

Siwy

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Israel is not taking land, it is a myth generated by the terrorist-sympathizers.

You're so full of $hit it's sad. What do you call this if not a land grab?

"The Israeli government has quietly seized thousands of acres of Palestinian-owned land in and around east Jerusalem after a secret cabinet decision to use a 55-year-old law against Arabs separated from farms and orchards by the vast "security barrier".

 

Siwy

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Originally posted by: raildogg

I believe Israel has wised up and will not retaliate as there is no need to. The Palestinian authority is serious this time and I believe they want to work for peace. Abbas is a good man and he will and should crack down on these gangsters. Abbas has done a good job in going after these various terrorists and terrorist organizations. This attack has gotten much press but I still believe the progress towards peace between the two sides will not be hurt much by this attack.

There must be something seriously wrong with you. From post to post you change your stance without any explanation.

For example first you say this: "One side is trying to pull out of gaza and the other side has been lying all the way." and then you say: ?The Palestinian authority is serious this time and I believe they want to work for peace.?

So are they serious and want to work for peace or are they lying? Which one is it?:confused:
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: raildogg

I believe Israel has wised up and will not retaliate as there is no need to. The Palestinian authority is serious this time and I believe they want to work for peace. Abbas is a good man and he will and should crack down on these gangsters. Abbas has done a good job in going after these various terrorists and terrorist organizations. This attack has gotten much press but I still believe the progress towards peace between the two sides will not be hurt much by this attack.

There must be something seriously wrong with you. From post to post you change your stance without any explanation.

For example first you say this: "One side is trying to pull out of gaza and the other side has been lying all the way." and then you say: ?The Palestinian authority is serious this time and I believe they want to work for peace.?

So are they serious and want to work for peace or are they lying? Which one is it?:confused:

Before you attack someone personally take a good look at what they're trying to say. I know you always believe Palestinians are right, and in this case I believe they are in trying to go after terrorists. One side is always wrong and that is the Palestinian terrorists.

This just shows you what a remarkable difference there is between the terrorist Arafat and Abbas:

Palestinian Police Nab 2 Bombing Suspects
 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: raildogg

I believe Israel has wised up and will not retaliate as there is no need to. The Palestinian authority is serious this time and I believe they want to work for peace. Abbas is a good man and he will and should crack down on these gangsters. Abbas has done a good job in going after these various terrorists and terrorist organizations. This attack has gotten much press but I still believe the progress towards peace between the two sides will not be hurt much by this attack.

There must be something seriously wrong with you. From post to post you change your stance without any explanation.

For example first you say this: "One side is trying to pull out of gaza and the other side has been lying all the way." and then you say: ?The Palestinian authority is serious this time and I believe they want to work for peace.?

So are they serious and want to work for peace or are they lying? Which one is it?:confused:
"Raildogg" has a past history for simply posting BS. Unfortunately, I've been told not to discuss his past. PM me if you want more details.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Gaard
"Raildogg" has a past history for simply posting BS. Unfortunately, I've been told not to discuss his past. PM me if you want more details.
What did he do, call you a "Poopy Head"?

 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: raildogg

I believe Israel has wised up and will not retaliate as there is no need to. The Palestinian authority is serious this time and I believe they want to work for peace. Abbas is a good man and he will and should crack down on these gangsters. Abbas has done a good job in going after these various terrorists and terrorist organizations. This attack has gotten much press but I still believe the progress towards peace between the two sides will not be hurt much by this attack.

There must be something seriously wrong with you. From post to post you change your stance without any explanation.

For example first you say this: "One side is trying to pull out of gaza and the other side has been lying all the way." and then you say: ?The Palestinian authority is serious this time and I believe they want to work for peace.?

So are they serious and want to work for peace or are they lying? Which one is it?:confused:
"Raildogg" has a past history for simply posting BS. Unfortunately, I've been told not to discuss his past. PM me if you want more details.

Yeah look at the discussion before you personally attack someone. I know people on your side of politics love to attack someone personally for disagreements, and especially you but try to control yourself. If you followed this thread you would know who's who. :disgust::thumbsdown::cookie:

Yeah spread false rumors about me, go ahead. I could care less what lie you spew.
 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: raildogg

I believe Israel has wised up and will not retaliate as there is no need to. The Palestinian authority is serious this time and I believe they want to work for peace. Abbas is a good man and he will and should crack down on these gangsters. Abbas has done a good job in going after these various terrorists and terrorist organizations. This attack has gotten much press but I still believe the progress towards peace between the two sides will not be hurt much by this attack.

There must be something seriously wrong with you. From post to post you change your stance without any explanation.

For example first you say this: "One side is trying to pull out of gaza and the other side has been lying all the way." and then you say: ?The Palestinian authority is serious this time and I believe they want to work for peace.?

So are they serious and want to work for peace or are they lying? Which one is it?:confused:
"Raildogg" has a past history for simply posting BS. Unfortunately, I've been told not to discuss his past. PM me if you want more details.

Yeah look at the discussion before you personally attack someone. I know people on your side of politics loves to attack someone personally for disagreements, and especially you but try to control yourself. If you followed this thread you would know who's who. :disgust::thumbsdown::cookie:

Yeah spread false rumors about me, go ahead. I could care less what lie you spew.

What false rumors? What lies?

 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: raildogg

I believe Israel has wised up and will not retaliate as there is no need to. The Palestinian authority is serious this time and I believe they want to work for peace. Abbas is a good man and he will and should crack down on these gangsters. Abbas has done a good job in going after these various terrorists and terrorist organizations. This attack has gotten much press but I still believe the progress towards peace between the two sides will not be hurt much by this attack.

There must be something seriously wrong with you. From post to post you change your stance without any explanation.

For example first you say this: "One side is trying to pull out of gaza and the other side has been lying all the way." and then you say: ?The Palestinian authority is serious this time and I believe they want to work for peace.?

So are they serious and want to work for peace or are they lying? Which one is it?:confused:
"Raildogg" has a past history for simply posting BS. Unfortunately, I've been told not to discuss his past. PM me if you want more details.

Yeah look at the discussion before you personally attack someone. I know people on your side of politics loves to attack someone personally for disagreements, and especially you but try to control yourself. If you followed this thread you would know who's who. :disgust::thumbsdown::cookie:

Yeah spread false rumors about me, go ahead. I could care less what lie you spew.

What false rumors? What lies?
That what I thought.

 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: raildogg

I believe Israel has wised up and will not retaliate as there is no need to. The Palestinian authority is serious this time and I believe they want to work for peace. Abbas is a good man and he will and should crack down on these gangsters. Abbas has done a good job in going after these various terrorists and terrorist organizations. This attack has gotten much press but I still believe the progress towards peace between the two sides will not be hurt much by this attack.

There must be something seriously wrong with you. From post to post you change your stance without any explanation.

For example first you say this: "One side is trying to pull out of gaza and the other side has been lying all the way." and then you say: ?The Palestinian authority is serious this time and I believe they want to work for peace.?

So are they serious and want to work for peace or are they lying? Which one is it?:confused:
"Raildogg" has a past history for simply posting BS. Unfortunately, I've been told not to discuss his past. PM me if you want more details.

Yeah look at the discussion before you personally attack someone. I know people on your side of politics loves to attack someone personally for disagreements, and especially you but try to control yourself. If you followed this thread you would know who's who. :disgust::thumbsdown::cookie:

Yeah spread false rumors about me, go ahead. I could care less what lie you spew.

What false rumors? What lies?
That what I thought.

:cookie::thumbsdown:
 

raildogg

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Israel Blames Syria for Suicide Bombing

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By JOSEF FEDERMAN, Associated Press Writer

JERUSALEM - Israel's defense minister on Saturday blamed Syria and a Palestinian militant group based there for a suicide bombing that killed four Israelis outside a Tel Aviv nightclub and shattered an informal truce, prompting him to freeze plans to hand over security responsibilities in the West Bank. Syria denied the charges.

The suicide bombing, which broke two weeks of relative calm, has threatened to derail an informal cease-fire declaration by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites) and Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas. It also could spark new tensions between longtime foes Israel and Syria.

Abbas angrily accused a "third party" of orchestrating Friday's attack to sabotage the Mideast peace process, and his security officials said the Lebanese guerrilla group Hezbollah, which is backed by Syria and Iran (news - web sites), was involved.

In Beirut, Hezbollah, denied the accusations, and Islamic Jihad, a Palestinian militant group with members in Lebanon and Syria, claimed responsibility, reversing initial denials by its members in the Palestinian territories.

The conflicting accounts created a rare sense of mystery around the attack, which also wounded dozens.

In the past, militant groups have been quick to praise their members for carrying out deadly bombings. But Islamic Jihad waited nearly 24 hours to claim the attack outside a crowded nightclub. The delay raised speculation among Palestinian officials that Islamic Jihad was acting on behalf of Hezbollah.

If the bombing had been planned by militants in the Palestinian territory, Abbas would be under tremendous pressure to crack down. But since it looked as if the bombing was linked to Islamic Jihad in Syria, and perhaps inspired by Hezbollah, Israel was likely to give him more leeway.

Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz blamed Syria after meeting with senior security commanders late Saturday in Tel Aviv. "The defense minister ruled that Israel sees Syria and the Islamic Jihad movement are those standing behind the murderous attack in Tel Aviv," a statement from Mofaz's office said.

The Bush administration strongly condemned the bombing and welcomed the Palestinian leadership's response.

"Such brutal attacks that kill and wound innocent Israelis cannot be tolerated by the Israeli people. Nor should they be tolerated by the Palestinian people, for such attacks undermine their hopes for a better future," the White House said in a statement.

U.S. officials have been in touch with the Palestinians "to urge immediate and credible action" to determine who is behind this terrorist act and to bring them to justice," according to the statement.

Israel and the United States have demanded that Syria close the headquarters of Palestinian militant groups in Damascus and end its support for other militant organizations.

Syria also faces pressure to withdraw troops from Lebanon amid accusations it was behind a massive bombing on Feb. 14 that killed former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri and 16 other people. Syria has denied involvement in the slayings.

Israeli security officials said the country had no immediate plans to attack Syria but will launch a diplomatic effort in hopes of winning U.N. condemnation of Damascus. In 2003, Israeli warplanes bombed an Islamic Jihad base in Syria in retaliation for a suicide bombing that killed 19 people at a restaurant.

Syria quickly rejected the charges. Damascus "had nothing to do with the Tel Aviv operation and that this (Islamic Jihad) movement's office is closed in Syria," a foreign ministry official told reporters on condition of anonymity.

Israeli security officials said they might resume assassinating Islamic Jihad leaders in the Palestinian territories because the informal truce no longer applied to them.

Such a move, which Israel recently agreed to halt as part of a reinvigorated peace process after the death of Yasser Arafat (news - web sites) and the election of Abbas, would likely mean the end of the carefully crafted Feb. 8 cease-fire.

In a further strain, Mofaz froze plans to withdraw troops from five West Bank towns and hand over security responsibilities to the Palestinians. The handover was among the most significant gestures by Israel after the cease-fire.

In the West Bank, Abbas met earlier Saturday with security officials and Cabinet ministers to discuss a response to the attack. He also reiterated his support for the truce and said he was exchanging information with Israel, the United States and Europe.

"We believe there is a third party that wants to sabotage this process, and to harm our people and our national goals," Abbas said. "We will not hesitate to track them down and bring them to justice and punish them."

Abbas didn't elaborate on the third party, but Palestinian officials said he was referring to Hezbollah. Security officials have said the guerrilla group is the biggest threat to the cease-fire.

Abbas said the major Palestinian militant groups ? Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades ? had all condemned the attack. But late Saturday, Islamic Jihad, which is based in Syria, posted an announcement on its Web site claiming responsibility.

The claim was attributed to the Al-Quds Brigades, the group's military arm. It identified the attacker as Abdullah Saeed Badran, 21, from near the West Bank town of Tulkarem.

The statement said the group carried out the attack after the expiration of a monthlong pause in a period of "calm" that it had promised to the Palestinian Authority (news - web sites). The Arab TV station Al-Jazeera also aired a videotape Saturday showing a man claiming to be Badran vowing to carry out the attack.

"Let the Zionists know that they will not have security. Their houses and their cities' streets will not be safe because this country is not your country. Get out of it," the man said.

Badran, a university student, was a devout Muslim but had no history of militant activity, his parents said.

In a phone call from Lebanon, an official from the Syria-based leadership of the Islamic Jihad militant group also claimed responsibility for the bombing.

A senior Palestinian official, speaking on condition of anonymity, disputed the claim, saying Hezbollah was responsible for arming the bomber and giving the orders for the attack. He also accused Hezbollah of persuading Islamic Jihad to accept responsibility to deflect attention.

Palestinian police have arrested two suspects with ties to Islamic Jihad. Israeli forces also arrested two of the bomber's brothers and four neighbors in his home village, including the local mosque preacher. The alleged driver who transported the bomber was also arrested.

In contrast to the dozens of previous suicide bombings, no celebrations were held in the West Bank on Saturday and militant groups didn't hang the customary posters of congratulations at the bomber's home. Many residents expressed anger.

"If Hezbollah was behind this attack, I as a Palestinian tell them, 'Deal with your own problems and stay out of ours,'" said Akram Abu Sbaa, 38, a resident of the West Bank town of Jenin.

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I've been telling you guys that Hezbollah in cooperation and permission from Syria and Iran has been trying to destroy any chance of peace between Palestinians and Israelis. I really believe the Palestinians have had enough of these foreign terrorist elements trying to decide their future. Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, Islamic Jihad and whoever else that participated in this attack really hurt their case among the Palestinian people.

Listen to what the Palestinians are saying, they are sick and tired of foreign countries and foreign entities hijacking their cause for their own interests. Abbas and other decent Palestinians are serious this time and will work for peace. This is great news.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
are you trying to change the definition of terror or something? terror attacks were used from the start. unless you are going to pretend that palestinians chose violence only after 94..whats your point:p iran deployed suicide squads of youth in the 80s during their war and hesbollah carried out 50 suicide attacks in lebanon in the 80s too. its nothing new. ideological fervor+brainwashing can create monsters. nothing new.

Yes, terror attacks were used from the start by Israel, like brutal massacre of 260 Arab residents in the Deir Yassir village in 1948 or 1982 Beirut massacre killing more than 1000 people for which Sharon was fired ~ yes there were plenty of those

u want to talk massacres? how about going back to the 1920's with palestinians massacring jews even then:p
 

Aimster

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The ones who flood the Israel-Palestinian threads and favor entirely the Israelis even in instances of Israeli crimes are the ones who also bash
the religion of Islam in numerous threads.

The situation has turned into a religious war and people outside the region are viewing it as such.
 

0roo0roo

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ignoring the major root of the problem doesn't help anything. islam has a decent bit to do with it. it contributes to the pathalogical antisemitism that pervades the region and is at the root of most of the problem. to this very day it is ok for government officials, government religious leaders, regular religious leaders, academics, journalists, state media, school books etc, to spew antisemetic hatred and incite violence in the region. it poisons everything.
 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
ignoring the major root of the problem doesn't help anything. islam has a decent bit to do with it. it contributes to the pathalogical antisemitism that pervades the region and is at the root of most of the problem. to this very day it is ok for government officials, government religious leaders, regular religious leaders, academics, journalists, state media, school books etc, to spew antisemetic hatred and incite violence in the region. it poisons everything.

Israelis: "We all love arabs" give me a break :roll:
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
ignoring the major root of the problem doesn't help anything. islam has a decent bit to do with it. it contributes to the pathalogical antisemitism that pervades the region and is at the root of most of the problem. to this very day it is ok for government officials, government religious leaders, regular religious leaders, academics, journalists, state media, school books etc, to spew antisemetic hatred and incite violence in the region. it poisons everything.

Israelis: "We all love arabs" give me a break :roll:

Arabs: "We love Palestinians" give me a break :disgust:
 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
ignoring the major root of the problem doesn't help anything. islam has a decent bit to do with it. it contributes to the pathalogical antisemitism that pervades the region and is at the root of most of the problem. to this very day it is ok for government officials, government religious leaders, regular religious leaders, academics, journalists, state media, school books etc, to spew antisemetic hatred and incite violence in the region. it poisons everything.

Israelis: "We all love arabs" give me a break :roll:

Arabs: "We love Palestinians" give me a breal :disgust:

Is there a problem for someone to like one of his own?
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
ignoring the major root of the problem doesn't help anything. islam has a decent bit to do with it. it contributes to the pathalogical antisemitism that pervades the region and is at the root of most of the problem. to this very day it is ok for government officials, government religious leaders, regular religious leaders, academics, journalists, state media, school books etc, to spew antisemetic hatred and incite violence in the region. it poisons everything.

Israelis: "We all love arabs" give me a break :roll:

Arabs: "We love Palestinians" give me a breal :disgust:

Is there a problem for someone to like one of his own?

You completely missed my point. If they did love them, the Palestinians wouldn't be where they are at today.
 

MegaWorks

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
ignoring the major root of the problem doesn't help anything. islam has a decent bit to do with it. it contributes to the pathalogical antisemitism that pervades the region and is at the root of most of the problem. to this very day it is ok for government officials, government religious leaders, regular religious leaders, academics, journalists, state media, school books etc, to spew antisemetic hatred and incite violence in the region. it poisons everything.

Israelis: "We all love arabs" give me a break :roll:

Arabs: "We love Palestinians" give me a breal :disgust:

Is there a problem for someone to like one of his own?

You completely missed my point. If they did love them, the Palestinians wouldn't be where they are at today.

Arab world yes, but the leaders don't.
 

dahunan

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Page one of this thread is filled with some of the most disgusting Arab Hating Verbal distortions ever put into typeface.