Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

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Three thugs beat homeless man to death:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2314376

White women gets attacked:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2323961

Empty store gets robbed:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2339277

Kendrick Johnson:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2347181




There are just a couple of the MANY posts where I am defending a victim who happens to be burnt umber. It took 20 seconds of searching to find these. There are many more.


....But.... Again... This doesn't fit your pro-racism agenda, so it's ignored. You race brigaiders are disgusting... And far FAR worse to society than the very few elderly outright racists who still exist.
 

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Liberals are so deep in denial mode regarding the realities of our society that it is really sort of breathtaking.

Whatever you feel the causes of it are, whether it be a history of slavery and mistreatment, poverty, culture, lack of opportunities, "stereotype threat" or whatever - the fact is that in our culture as it stands now, there is a very high rate of criminality in the black community currently.

What this translates into is a situation where it is not unreasonable for people to factor that in when they're trying to assess either an encounter they themselves are having, or one someone else had.

This is just like how when a liberal hears about a domestic violence situation at the house down the block last night, their mind instantly jumps to picturing the husband/boyfriend being the violent one. They're allowing their knowledge of statistics to impact their perception and this CAN lead you astray certainly, but generally is not unreasonable to do.

When evidence to the contrary comes forward, you change your view.

When I heard about this case and heard about the occupants of each car, their behavior, the stereotypes they fit into, it was not at all hard for me to believe that the kids in the truck reacted very poorly to a request to lower their music volume, and may have made some very aggressive threats and moves in reaction. Possibly even crossing into the realm of legally justifying self-defense against themselves.

Then again, some middle aged white guy being a hot head and giving into a "dirty harry" fantasy for the flimsiest reasons or because he was "disrespected" isn't out of the question either.

None of us really know whether he was legitimately in fear for his life and whether Davis and/or the others in that car said or did anything which would pass muster legally to justify that fear. We can only weigh the probabilities and the evidence we know about. There has been a lot of effort to keep evidence under wraps by Angela Corey in this case.

I don't think either scenario can be ruled out at this time.

I think Dunn's goose is likely cooked, and that may or may not be appropriate.

Keep in mind he can be a racist and/or a douche and/or a horrible, abusive husband and still have been in the right. We can't know.

Davis and his friends could be little hoodlums and still have been in the right, too.

And yes, it is true that when people end up in the infamy spotlight like this, people come out of the woodwork with tales about them. Some true, some not, some exaggerated.

I don't think the presence of a gun that was ditched can be entirely ruled out. It is certainly interesting that one of the handful of 911 calls mentioned them looking like they were "stashing something."

As for Trevor Dooley, he basically threatened a man with his gun by brandishing it, and then shot that man in the heart, to death, because the man reacted to that threat in an effort merely to subdue him. Shot him dead in front of his young daughter. Because he stood up for some skateboarders. Dooley is guilty. Would be guilty if he was magenta.
 

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This fellow was coming back from a wedding? Am I correct? If this is true I have a feeling that alcohol was involved. Why would he leave the murder scene if all he did was protect himself.

If he gets off and is acquitted expect rioting.
 
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Newell Steamer

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It shouldn't be NO rights, but police (should) have a duty to operate under a stricter standard as they are compensated for that danger.

Correct.

But, they have the right to defend themselves.

How is a preceived danger (like the one in the OP) OK, but a knife wielding maniac getting shot is police abuse and brutality??
 

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James was playing hoops with Danielle that Sunday afternoon. Dooley came from his home across the street to complain about a 14-year-old skateboarder who had gotten James' permission to use the other side of the court. Witnesses said an argument between James and Dooley took a lethal turn when Dooley flipped up his T-shirt, revealing a gun in his waistband, as he cursed James. They said Dooley then turned and headed home, but James spun him around and tried to grab the gun. The men fell to the ground.
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= Guilty

I am going on the assumption that this story is the truth. Why does brandishing a weapon make you guilty if he is going home and then attacked? How much time has to pass between the time you brandish and the attack before you can stand your ground?
 

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I am going on the assumption that this story is the truth. Why does brandishing a weapon make you guilty if he is going home and then attacked? How much time has to pass between the time you brandish and the attack before you can stand your ground?

Brandishing can be perceived as a threat given other circumstances like yelling or body language, giving the other person the ability to defend themselves from the threat.

As far as how much time passes it depends. The other person would have to be the aggressor.

In this case the gun owner wasn't attacked. The other party was defending themselves from a clear, present and capable threat.
 

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Here's the default position of spatial and people like him...


THUG
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Not THUGS
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Vic

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Brandishing can be perceived as a threat given other circumstances like yelling or body language, giving the other person the ability to defend themselves from the threat.

As far as how much time passes it depends. The other person would have to be the aggressor.

In this case the gun owner wasn't attacked. The other party was defending themselves from a clear, present and capable threat.

There was no brandishment. Dunn is lying.
 

Vic

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Let's spin this scenario around. Dunn is a black man and Davis and all his friends in the car were white. Now what's your opinion?

You don't have to be a liberal to see racism.


"Black Dunn" claims he had a shotgun pointed at his face, and "White Davis" is running with "White Thugs" including one felon on probation??? I would feel the exact same.


Seriously. It's not political. It's not a race issue.
 
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There was no brandishment. Dunn is lying.


Dunn says a shotgun was pointed at him.

911 accounts include a witness who states it looks like the felon thug crew was hiding a shotgun.


......I'm still waiting to hear about phone records. That's the real crux to this, if the felon or his buddies called someone to pick up that shotgun.
 

thraashman

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Correct. One is a thug, the other is crazy schizophrenic. That is the correct description of the pictures you've shown.

I generally wouldn't consider an academic all star Stanford graduate with no history of legal troubles a "thug" simply because he yelled when he was excited.
 

thraashman

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Let's spin this scenario around. Dunn is a black man and Davis and all his friends in the car were white. Every other aspect remains unchanged. Now what's your opinion?

You don't have to be a liberal to see racism.

Well obviously he's going to answer in the way that makes him seem the least racist. But I am quite confident that were the races reversed he wouldn't believe that the "white felon thug" crew ever brandished a shotgun.
 
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Well obviously he's going to answer in the way that makes him seem the least racist. But I am quite confident that were the races reversed he wouldn't believe that the "white felon thug" crew ever brandished a shotgun.


If they weren't running with a felon on probation I would be much more inclined to disbelieve the shotgun story.


Person shoots him claiming he had a shotgun. Witnesses claim they saw him hiding a shotgun.... Yet you seem to thing it's all some fabricated story among the victim and witnesses....?
 

Vic

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Dunn says a shotgun was pointed at him.

911 accounts include a witness who states it looks like the felon thug crew was hiding a shotgun.


......I'm still waiting to hear about phone records. That's the real crux to this, if the felon or his buddies called someone to pick up that shotgun.

And where is that shotgun then, except in yours and Dunns imaginations? Or maybe they would have found it if Dunn hadn't fled the scene?

And why do you keep calling Davis a 'felon thug?' Davis had no prior arrest record much less a felony conviction. And just because one of the kids in the car had a conviction for stealing a subwoofer, that makes them a 'felon thug crew? '
Aren't you the lying piece of shit, eh?
 
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Vic

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"Black Dunn" claims he had a shotgun pointed at his face, and "White Davis" is running with "White Thugs" including one felon on probation??? I would feel the exact same.


Seriously. It's not political. It's not a race issue.

Seriously, it is political. You want to exploit and expand reasonable self defense laws, like stand your ground, into licenses to commit murder. And why? Because you're scared little pussies.
 

Vic

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If they weren't running with a felon on probation I would be much more inclined to disbelieve the shotgun story.


Person shoots him claiming he had a shotgun. Witnesses claim they saw him hiding a shotgun.... Yet you seem to thing it's all some fabricated story among the victim and witnesses....?

Why did Dunn flee the scene again?

Here's SpatiallyAware, spidey, and Geosurface discussing on their other forum: http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showt...dead-******-Jordan-Davis-is-a-convicted-felon!

Beware: definitely NSFW
 
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Vic

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I generally wouldn't consider an academic all star Stanford graduate with no history of legal troubles a "thug" simply because he yelled when he was excited.

'Thug' is these dbags' code for the n-word. The only time they say thug to refer to a white criminal is when they get caught out at this.
 

thraashman

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If they weren't running with a felon on probation I would be much more inclined to disbelieve the shotgun story.


Person shoots him claiming he had a shotgun. Witnesses claim they saw him hiding a shotgun.... Yet you seem to thing it's all some fabricated story among the victim and witnesses....?

Having searched the thread I find this witness who is the only one I see who mentions seeing them get out of the car. He did not see them hide a shotgun. Feels like you're projecting what you want to have happened.

One was on his cellphone looking back, and it looked like they were pretty much just -- I don't know if they were trying to stash something in the car or look for something or what, but it looked like they got out, kind of brushed themselves off and then they got back in
He never says he saw them stash anything, he says he doesn't know what they were doing. Then there's this from that same witness.
In his sworn statements to the state attorney's office the following month, the man from The Loop clarified that he did not see the men try to hide anything.

"Just so it's clear, the whole time you saw the vehicle, you never saw them throw anything out of the vehicle?" an investigator asked.

"Correct," the man said.

"And you never saw any weapons of any kind?" the investigator asked.

"Correct," the man said.
From here http://www.news4jax.com/news/witnes...oting/-/475880/20790378/-/1g82ut/-/index.html

And then there's the fact that he didn't say anything about the gun to his gf. Didn't mention it until he knew he was fucked.
http://members.jacksonville.com/new...is-killer-didnt-mention-seeing-gun-girlfriend

The only thug here is the asshole that murdered an innocent kid.
 
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'Thug' is these dbags' code for the n-word. The only time they say thug to refer to a white criminal is when they get caught out at this.


False... Go read the links I posted. Thug culture has do to with violence, dealing drugs, not anything to do with physical attributes. There are plenty of white thugs, and they are absolutely called out for what they are. Post up some white thug stories and I'll be right there with you shunning them.



As a matter of fact, you and your ilk are the ones who mentally associate these negative thug stereotypes with black people. Yet everyone else is racist.....