Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[classy]

Oh, you mean Dunn will testify on his own behalf that he saw a shotgun... can't wait to see that cross examination. There will be no other witnesses that will testify that there was a shotgun and no shotgun was found, so where does that leave him?

How about you use a little common sense, eh? Innocent people don't flee the scene.

LOL
Oh spidey, lol

 

[fskimospy]

In that case you are not a witness you are the defendant. There will also be witnesses who say they never saw the kids stash any gun despite watching them drive off, get out of the car, get back in, and return. There will be his gf who will claim that Dunn never mentioned anything about a shotgun to her. There will be many, many witnesses who saw Dunn instigate the situation and open fire unwarranted.

Technically defendants are also (frequently) witnesses. That being said, when we talk colloquially about a 'witness' we usually mean someone other than the defendant due to the obvious conflict of interest there.

 

[Vic]

In that case you are not a witness you are the defendant. There will also be witnesses who say they never saw the kids stash any gun despite watching them drive off, get out of the car, get back in, and return. There will be his gf who will claim that Dunn never mentioned anything about a shotgun to her. There will be many, many witnesses who saw Dunn instigate the situation and open fire unwarranted.

There will also be witnesses, including the GF, who will testify that Dunn drove off at high speed back to his motel room, ordered pizza, stayed the night, and then drove 3 hours home the next day, all without ever calling the police to report the incident. And the police will testify that the reason they found Dunn was because at least one of those witnesses managed to get his license plate number while he was speeding off.
Clearly the actions of an innocent, honest man and a responsible gun owner..

 

[Newell Steamer]

Here's the default position of spatial and people like him...


THUG

Not THUGS

The two gentlemen at the bottom were set up by the FBI/CIA/Lizard People, to paint gun owners as crazed lunatics in order to justify taking away everyone's guns.

 

[mugs]

Actually there is. Dunn has repeatedly stated via his lawyer there was a shotgun and you can bet he will testify that's what he saw as he had the best vantage point.

I hope they put that shit on TV.

If there wasn't a shotgun pointed at him along with verbal threats to his life he would not have fired.

Use a little common sense.

"Common sense" has no place here. We're talking about a guy who shot and killed someone, allegedly in self-defense, and then went back to his hotel to eat some pizza.

It is not valid to assume that Michael Dunn could not have made a mistake, could not have thought he saw a gun (perhaps influenced by the prejudice that is evident in his letters). Or maybe he just got really mad that some "thug" disrespected him. His anger toward black people is also evident in his letters.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

He didn't know he killed anyone. They sped away. It's very common to have a shooting like that and no one calls the cops. Perfectly legal in florida.


Gucci mane didn't it and never even went to trial.

Oh, and they never found the shooter's gun since Gucci neglected to call the cops. And, the dead guys body was dumped in a field... Ironically in many ways it's similar to (or worse than) this story, except the shooter was black.

And imagine that, no outcry at all.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1519599/murder-charges-against-gucci-mane-dropped.jhtml

 

[mugs]

He didn't know he killed anyone. They sped away. It's very common to have a shooting like that and no one calls the cops. Perfectly legal in florida.


Gucci mane didn't it and never even went to trial.

Oh, and they never found the shooter's gun since Gucci neglected to call the cops. And, the dead guys body was dumped in a field... Ironically in many ways it's similar to (or worse than) this story, except the shooter was black.

And imagine that, no outcry at all.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1519599/murder-charges-against-gucci-mane-dropped.jhtml

We're talking about common sense, not legality. Because apparently common sense is a defense to murder or something.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

We're talking about common sense, not legality. Because apparently common sense is a defense to murder or something.

You can talk common sense all you want, but our justice system looks at these two situation in a very similar fashion.


Eyewitness with only a bit of info but enough to produce reasonable doubt, a missing gun, no one called the cops, dead guy who runs with thugs.

Except in gucci's case he knew for a fact he shot someone and they bled out. But he still didn't call the cops. And he still walked.

 

[cubby1223]

Well he was a black kid with a hoodie on, so he was obviously a vicious thug who was undoubtedly trying to ghetto stomp this kind old Caucasian gentleman. The guy didn't want to shoot him but his life was in danger.

Err....

Playing loud music is not a felony assault. Pummeling someone with your fists is. Two entirely different situations.

 

[Vic]

He didn't know he killed anyone. They sped away. It's very common to have a shooting like that and no one calls the cops. Perfectly legal in florida.


Gucci mane didn't it and never even went to trial.

Oh, and they never found the shooter's gun since Gucci neglected to call the cops. And, the dead guys body was dumped in a field... Ironically in many ways it's similar to (or worse than) this story, except the shooter was black.

And imagine that, no outcry at all.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1519599/murder-charges-against-gucci-mane-dropped.jhtml

That case is not similar. It was a home invasion with a witness who saw the armed men storm the door. This was a gas station altercation where the only armed man doing the storming was Dunn.
And it took place in Georgia almost 9 years ago. I assume that you had to Google really hard to find this 'very common' event.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Look, it's so simple... If you don't want to be treated like a thug then don't act like one.

If you have a hoodie on in deep gangster cover, blaring violent music, and then act like you have a gun when someone asks you to turn it down... Well... Someone might just treat you like a thug.

Who hasn't listened to loud offensive music in a car when they were young? Shit I'm in my 40's and I still blast some Motley Crue, Iron Maiden and sometime some Dr. Dre.

 

[spidey07]

You're leaving out the teens were armed with a shotgun and threatened the victim. Don't forget that.

 

[Vic]

You're leaving out the teens were armed with a shotgun and threatened the victim. Don't forget that.

The only shotgun was in Dunn's imagination.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

That case is not similar. It was a home invasion with a witness who saw the armed men storm the door. This was a gas station altercation where the only armed man doing the storming was Dunn.
And it took place in Georgia. I assume that you had to Google really hard to find this 'very common' event.

How do you know it was a home invasion?? How do you know they stormed the door?

The shooter didn't call the police, so that could all be made up BS. He prevented law enforcement from doing a prompt investigation by not notifying them after he shot somebody! Now he looks guilty!




Oh wait... He's black so it's ok? Friggin racists, I swear.

 

[Nebor]

The only shotgun was in Dunn's imagination.

Imaginary shotguns can be up to 8 gauge, fully automatic and loaded with pellets coated in a special powder that turns you into a librul. They're nothing to play around with.

 

[bshole]

You're leaving out the teens were armed with a shotgun and threatened the victim. Don't forget that.

Um... the black teens were just standing their ground. Weren't they legally allowed to own guns? Are you one of those crazy gun-grabbers that don't believe in the right to keep and BEAR arms? Are you some kind of red commie scum?

 

[mugs]

You can talk common sense all you want, but our justice system looks at these two situation in a very similar fashion.

dumbshit07 brought it up, not me.

Eyewitness with only a bit of info but enough to produce reasonable doubt, a missing gun, no one called the cops, dead guy who runs with thugs.

Except in gucci's case he knew for a fact he shot someone and they bled out. But he still didn't call the cops. And he still walked.

Eyewitness with no exculpatory information, a gun that never existed, victims who waited for the police and EMS to arrive, and a dead guy who has did nothing illegal. Is what I think you meant to say?

 

[Vic]

How do you know it was a home invasion?? How do you know they stormed the door?

The shooter didn't call the police, so that could all be made up BS. He prevented law enforcement from doing a prompt investigation by not notifying them after he shot somebody! Now he looks guilty!




Oh wait... He's black so it's ok? Friggin racists, I swear.

Did you not read your own article? There was an eyewitness who testified that he saw the men storm the door.

Wow.. there's no lie beneath you is there?

 

[mugs]

You're leaving out the teens were armed with a shotgun and threatened the victim. Don't forget that.

The evidence that there was no shotgun is overwhelming. If you can't see that, you are not a rational human being.

 

[thraashman]

The evidence that there was no shotgun is overwhelming. If you can't see that, you are not a rational human being.

And you've hit the crux of the issue.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Did you not read your own article? There was an eyewitness who testified that he saw the men storm the door.

Wow.. there's no lie beneath you is there?

And there was an eyewitness who initially claimed that the felon thug crew appeared to be stashing something.


So, both cases had shaky witnesses. Which produces reasonable doubt. Which results in shooters walking.

Because in this country, we try not to let lynch mobs incarcerate victims.

 

[spidey07]

dumbshit07 brought it up, not me.



Eyewitness with no exculpatory information, a gun that never existed, victims who waited for the police and EMS to arrive, and a dead guy who has did nothing illegal. Is what I think you meant to say?

The dead guy committed assault with a deadly weapon and terroristic threatening.
That's hardly not doing nothing.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

And you've hit the crux of the issue.

Actually, just like the zimmerman vs trayvon case, the issue is divided between people who think with their soft modern-progressive hearts vs people who only look at the facts and legal stance of the case.

What makes it even more difficult is the pro-trayvon types come to a conclusion (white man is guilty) and then ONLY accept evidence which furthers their agenda... Refusing to acknowledge any details or facts which may exonerate an innocent man.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

The evidence that there was no shotgun is overwhelming. If you can't see that, you are not a rational human being.

Wow, only if you ignore pretty much everything about the case.


To a jury, coming from the defense, they will point out the fact that a witness though he saw them stashing something. That they left the scene, returned, and neglected to share that info, and the felony history of the thug buddy.

It's not going to look great to a florida jury. They're sick and tired of thugs in florida, that's been made very clear.

 

[thraashman]

And there was an eyewitness who initially claimed that the felon thug crew appeared to be stashing something.


So, both cases had shaky witnesses. Which produces reasonable doubt. Which results in shooters walking.

Because in this country, we try not to let lynch mobs incarcerate victims.

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You keep repeating this lie despite the fact that it has been proven to be a lie time and again. No witness EVER claimed they saw friends of the recently murdered Jordan Davis stash anything. The person speculated on to why they got out of the car but never once claimed to see them stash anything. Every time you repeat this lie your fucktard asshole piece of shit level of bias is proven.

(Note to everyone else in this thread, I apologize for the excessive level of profanity but when you're this big of a piece of shit I can't keep quiet about it after a while)