Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[BudAshes]

$100 says this guy serves time

care to put yourself out there?

Fuck that, i asked first.

 

[soundforbjt]

So, does anyone think this guy will walk like Zimmerman did, other than the usual suspects? It is Florida...

 

[TerryMathews]

So, does anyone think this guy will walk like Zimmerman did, other than the usual suspects? It is Florida...

The only way he walks is if they come up with the supposed shotgun or a reliable witness to the guys in the car having one.

I suppose I'm one of your usual suspects. :sly:

 

[soundforbjt]

The only way he walks is if they come up with the supposed shotgun or a reliable witness to the guys in the car having one.

I suppose I'm one of your usual suspects. :sly:

No, the usual suspects have already posted in this thread, voicing Dunn's innocence, don't believe you've done that.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

No, the usual suspects have already posted in this thread, voicing Dunn's innocence, don't believe you've done that.

I don't believe anyone has voiced his innocence, just that he will be found not guilty if the thug felon crew placed ANY calls other than to 911. It will certainly create enough reasonable doubt to force an acquittal.

 

[soundforbjt]

I don't believe anyone has voiced his innocence, just that he will be found not guilty if the thug felon crew placed ANY calls other than to 911. It will certainly create enough reasonable doubt to force an acquittal.

But I haven't seen you voice any thing about the "thug felon crew" innocence in this. You've done everything to voice how you feel they are probably guilty. Aren't they innocent until proven guilty as well? Why is only the white, thug, drunk, businessman innocent until proven guilty?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

But I haven't seen you voice any thing about the "thug felon crew" innocence in this. You've done everything to voice how you feel they are probably guilty. Aren't they innocent until proven guilty as well? Why is only the white, thug, drunk, businessman innocent until proven guilty?

So much butthurt in this thread.

Don't get all upset at me for having a position based ONLY on facts and available details.


The bottom line is this entire situation revolves around that shotgun. It's incredibly convenient for the felon thug crew to leave the scene, suspiciously circle a parking lot next door, then RETURN to the scene.


I'm still waiting to see the police report. Dunn's lawyer has claimed that they didn't tell police they left the scene. If that turns out to be true, Dunn will walk.

If they recover ANY cell phone records the minutes after the situation, Dunn will walk.



Based on currently available facts, I think it's likely that Dunn will be acquitted.

Our justice system doesn't like thugs, and neither do juries. If you run with a crew of current convicted felons you could and should be treated in a similar fashion.

 

[blankslate]

So, does anyone think this guy will walk like Zimmerman did, other than the usual suspects? It is Florida...

There are actual eye witnesses who saw more in this case than in the Trayvon Martin case.

But it is FL. So it's a lower chance he'd walk, but I still wouldn't be surprised.

Because the reason that cases of a shooting involving people of different races can get seemingly outrageous attention compared to a shooting involving people of the same race is that there are different outcomes based on who the victim of the shooting is.

In Louisiana, the odds of a death sentence were 97%
higher for those whose victim was white than for those
whose victim was black. (Pierce & Radelet, Louisiana Law Review, 2011).

A study in California found that those who killed whites
where over 3 times more likely to be sentenced to death
than those who killed blacks and over 4 times more likely
than those who killed Latinos. (Pierce & Radelet, Santa
Clara Law Review, 2005).

A comprehensive study of the death penalty in North
Carolina found that the odds of receiving a death sentence rose by 3.5 times among those defendants whose
victims where white. (Prof. Jack Boger and Dr. Isaac Unah, University of North Carolina, 2001).

In 96% of states where there have been reviews of race and the death penalty, there was a pattern of either
race-of-victim or race-of-defendant discrimination, or both. (Prof. Baldus report to the ABA, 1998).

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/FactSheet.pdf

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/PierceRadeletStudy.pdf

This inequality of sentencing based on the identity of victim of a shooting is something that idiots who post videos of uninformed commentators tend to ignore (or perhaps they are just truly ignorant of this information).

 

[mugs]

There are actual eye witnesses who saw more in this case than in the Trayvon Martin case.

But it is FL. So it's a lower chance he'd walk, but I still wouldn't be surprised.

Because the reason that cases of a shooting involving people of different races can get seemingly outrageous attention compared to a shooting involving people of the same race is that there are different outcomes based on who the victim of the shooting is.








http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/FactSheet.pdf

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/PierceRadeletStudy.pdf

This inequality of sentencing based on the identity of victim of a shooting is something that idiots who post videos of uninformed commentators tend to ignore (or perhaps they are just truly ignorant of this information).

Yeah, but did they account for whether the defendants "run with a crew of felons?" Juries don't like that, you know.

("Run with a crew of felons?" Who even talks like that in real life?)

 

[soundforbjt]

This video fits spatial to a "T".

http://www.upworthy.com/know-anyone...s-and-tell-me-when-your-jaw-drops-2?g=4&c=bl3

 

[SpatiallyAware]

This video fits spatial to a "T".

http://www.upworthy.com/know-anyone...s-and-tell-me-when-your-jaw-drops-2?g=4&c=bl3

ROFL yea right.... Love how they get a goofy white kid who is CLEARLY an actor for their little experiment.


Absolutely rigged to get an outcome that is good for TV, and to plea to the overly emotional racists who "want" to see that sort of outcome.


Edit:

How about use this for the beige kid:

And this for the burnt sienna kid:

 

[BUTCH1]

So much butthurt in this thread.

Don't get all upset at me for having a position based ONLY on facts and available details.


The bottom line is this entire situation revolves around that shotgun. It's incredibly convenient for the felon thug crew to leave the scene, suspiciously circle a parking lot next door, then RETURN to the scene.


I'm still waiting to see the police report. Dunn's lawyer has claimed that they didn't tell police they left the scene. If that turns out to be true, Dunn will walk.

If they recover ANY cell phone records the minutes after the situation, Dunn will walk.



Based on currently available facts, I think it's likely that Dunn will be acquitted.

Our justice system doesn't like thugs, and neither do juries. If you run with a crew of current convicted felons you could and should be treated in a similar fashion.

"Convenient"?? HE WAS SHOOTING INTO THE VEHICLE!, you think a phone call will substantiate the shotgun claim?, why didn't Dunn drive to a safer area 1-2 miles away and notify police he discharged his gun in self-defense?. As much as your racism shows here, "felon thug crew", here's the official report, "Witnesses told police they did not see anyone remove any items from the SUV, nor did they see anyone in possession of a weapon, according to the affidavit."....This is why Dunn is in jail, BOND DENIED until trial. Witness's said the vehicle never got more than 300-400 ft from the scene and no other car met with the group who returned to the store after they knew Dunn had fled. Your hero is FUCKED, the only walk he will do is to death row.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

"Convenient"?? HE WAS SHOOTING INTO THE VEHICLE!, you think a phone call will substantiate the shotgun claim?, why didn't Dunn drive to a safer area 1-2 miles away and notify police he discharged his gun in self-defense?. As much as your racism shows here, "felon thug crew", here's the official report, "Witnesses told police they did not see anyone remove any items from the SUV, nor did they see anyone in possession of a weapon, according to the affidavit."....This is why Dunn is in jail, BOND DENIED until trial. Witness's said the vehicle never got more than 300-400 ft from the scene and no other car met with the group who returned to the store after they knew Dunn had fled. Your hero is FUCKED, the only walk he will do is to death row.

Nope.


Based on what we know he will likely be acquitted.

If the defense can show that any members of the crew made a phone call out before the police show up, DEFINITE acquittal.

If dunn's lawyer is correct and they neglected to tell the officers that they left the scene, circled a parking lot next door, stopped for a little bit, then came BACK to the scene... DEFINITE acquittal.



You go ahead and get your meds ready, you really might need them to wrap your mind around "reasonable doubt".

 

[soundforbjt]

So why are the kids guilty for leaving the parking lot, but the thug businessman isn't guilty for leaving the scene and not even speaking to police at all?

 

[BUTCH1]

Nope.


Based on what we know he will likely be acquitted.

If the defense can show that any members of the crew made a phone call out before the police show up, DEFINITE acquittal.

If dunn's lawyer is correct and they neglected to tell the officers that they left the scene, circled a parking lot next door, stopped for a little bit, then came BACK to the scene... DEFINITE acquittal.



You go ahead and get your meds ready, you really might need them to wrap your mind around "reasonable doubt".

Let's be clear, WITNESS'S NEVER LOST SIGHT OF THE VEHICLE...get it? there is no possible way for them to dispose of the "mystery" shotgun, do you really think a phone call would hold up in court?, that's laughable, you just got 9-10 rounds pumped into your car, one innocent person is DEAD and you not going to call a relative?? there's a reason Dunn is being held WITHOUT BAIL, any competent judge realizes he would flee if he got out on bail, just like he fled after he shot an unarmed kid so go ahead and drink your GZ Kool-aid, ain't gonna happen like that here, GZ had injuries to at least show he was in a fight, Dunn?....NOTHING. Say bye-bye to Mr Dunn who will soon be headed to Starke FL on DEATH ROW.

 

[kevinsbane]

Nope.
You go ahead and get your meds ready, you really might need them to wrap your mind around "reasonable doubt".

Is there any scenario in your head in which Dunn could possibly be guilty of murder?

 

[mugs]

Nope.


Based on what we know he will likely be acquitted.

If the defense can show that any members of the crew made a phone call out before the police show up, DEFINITE acquittal.

If dunn's lawyer is correct and they neglected to tell the officers that they left the scene, circled a parking lot next door, stopped for a little bit, then came BACK to the scene... DEFINITE acquittal.



You go ahead and get your meds ready, you really might need them to wrap your mind around "reasonable doubt".

Why do you keep saying "based on what we know he will likely be acquitted" when the two "facts" you're bringing up are only hypotheticals? IF one of the kids called someone other than 911 before the police arrived, that could appear suspicious. But there is no evidence that they did.

IF the teens lied to police, that would be significant. But that was nothing more than speculation by Dunn's lawyer. How gullible are you if you're treating a defense attorney's speculation to the media as a fact?

 

[cmdrdredd]

So, does anyone think this guy will walk like Zimmerman did, other than the usual suspects? It is Florida...

State doesn't matter, evidence and facts do.

 

[highland145]

State doesn't matter, evidence and facts do.

Actually, not in this case, in Fl you can start a fight and if you become afraid of great bodily injury/death you can shoot. That's messed up.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Actually, not in this case, in Fl you can start a fight and if you become afraid of great bodily injury/death you can shoot. That's messed up.

that IS messed up.

 

[mugs]

Actually, not in this case, in Fl you can start a fight and if you become afraid of great bodily injury/death you can shoot. That's messed up.

You're held to a higher standard in that case though. Lethal force by an aggressor can only be used as a last resort after exhausting all means of escape: http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/776.041

That works in Zimmerman's case (if it had been determined that he initiated the fight) because Martin was on top of him, punching him, and Zimmerman was calling for help.

 

[highland145]

You're held to a higher standard in that case though. Lethal force by an aggressor can only be used as a last resort after exhausting all means of escape: http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/776.041

That works in Zimmerman's case (if it had been determined that he initiated the fight) because Martin was on top of him, punching him, and Zimmerman was calling for help.

Thanks for the link. I couldn't track it down.

Yes, last resort but if you can't take the heat....

My conceal instructor said we're held to a higher standard so if we started it, we couldn't legally shoot. S.C.

 

[Pens1566]

Nope.


Based on what we know he will likely be acquitted.

If the defense can show that any members of the crew made a phone call out before the police show up, DEFINITE acquittal.

If dunn's lawyer is correct and they neglected to tell the officers that they left the scene, circled a parking lot next door, stopped for a little bit, then came BACK to the scene... DEFINITE acquittal.



You go ahead and get your meds ready, you really might need them to wrap your mind around "reasonable doubt".

This might be the dumbest, most ridiculous thing (racist statements aside) that I've ever seen you post on here.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Thanks for the link. I couldn't track it down.

Yes, last resort but if you can't take the heat....

My conceal instructor said we're held to a higher standard so if we started it, we couldn't legally shoot. S.C.

Don't hit someone while they are down: don't get legally shot.

 

[highland145]

Don't hit someone while they are down: don't get legally shot.

How about I just stay out of bars. Those were the places I tended to get into trouble anyway. Marriage fixed that, 1996.