Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[SpatiallyAware]

You know, it's almost like we just had a case like this where everyone jumped to assumptions and wanted to lynch someone.

 

[mugs]

You know, it's almost like we just had a case like this where everyone jumped to assumptions and wanted to lynch someone.

There is actual evidence of self defense in that case, and it wasn't known at first.

We're still waiting for that evidence in this case. If it turns out they called someone other than 911 immediately after the shooting there might be some doubt, but until and unless that happens Dunn's only defense is that he imagined a gun.

 

[mugs]

You mean like this?

http://www.news4jax.com/news/witnes...oting/-/475880/20790378/-/1g82ut/-/index.html

ooops... looks like there was a witness at the scene that called 911, saw the kids get out, and look like they were trying to "stash" something. However, that was just their actions, as the man never actually saw anything either in terms of what they have been trying to hide if they did hide something. Nor did police investigate the area until 4 days later.

hrmm... wonder how that changes things.

He didn't say they looked like they were trying to stash something. He said, "One was on his cellphone looking back, and it looked like they were pretty much just -- I don't know if they were trying to stash something in the car or look for something or what, but it looked like they got out, kind of brushed themselves off and then they got back in." It's pretty obvious that he's just offering a guess as to what they might have been doing. That's more clear when he's interviewed and says he didn't see a weapon and didn't see them throw anything out of the car.

So he heard gunshots, saw some teens flee the scene, didn't know what their involvement was but guessed they might have been the shooters and were ditching the gun. It was just a guess, it doesn't tell us anything.

Have you come up with some explanation for why these kids would have ditched the gun in a parking lot of a strip mall that contained three restaurants and a Starbucks? Seems kind of risky to do it where there would be so many witnesses when they could have driven farther away and no one would have questioned why (because you know, they were being shot at).

 

[HumblePie]

He didn't say they looked like they were trying to stash something. He said, "One was on his cellphone looking back, and it looked like they were pretty much just -- I don't know if they were trying to stash something in the car or look for something or what, but it looked like they got out, kind of brushed themselves off and then they got back in." It's pretty obvious that he's just offering a guess as to what they might have been doing. That's more clear when he's interviewed and says he didn't see a weapon and didn't see them throw anything out of the car.

So he heard gunshots, saw some teens flee the scene, didn't know what their involvement was but guessed they might have been the shooters and were ditching the gun. It was just a guess, it doesn't tell us anything.

Have you come up with some explanation for why these kids would have ditched the gun in a parking lot of a strip mall that contained three restaurants and a Starbucks? Seems kind of risky to do it where there would be so many witnesses when they could have driven farther away and no one would have questioned why (because you know, they were being shot at).

He sayed it looked like they were trying to stash something. He said he never saw them stashing anything though, to which I stated in my post. That doesn't change the statement he made during the 911 call about the observed actions of the teens.

 

[mugs]

He sayed it looked like they were trying to stash something. He said he never saw them stashing anything though, to which I stated in my post. That doesn't change the statement he made during the 911 call about the observed actions of the teens.

If you're familiar with the English language, which I presume that you are from your repeated usage of it, then you can read his words and see that he's clearly guessing. I did you and everyone else the favor of pasting them in this thread so you don't even have to click a link to read them.

Why is no one willing to explain why they took the huge risk of ditching their imaginary gun in front of three restaurants and a Starbucks?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

There is actual evidence of self defense in that case, and it wasn't known at first.

We're still waiting for that evidence in this case. If it turns out they called someone other than 911 immediately after the shooting there might be some doubt, but until and unless that happens Dunn's only defense is that he imagined a gun.

Sure, we are still waiting on evidence, but we also have direct evidence of self defense already in this case. We certainly have enough evidence to start forming an opinion (both legally applicable and otherwise) as to what happened. Based on what we know as fact it's blatantly obvious that the felon thug crew hid that shotgun.


A witness specifically saw them trying to stash something. That is HUGELY damning evidence if the state is going to take another lynch mob to trial.



And we will find out who they called to pick up that shotgun, as long as they weren't using a prepaid disposable phone, which is unfortunately likely considering this is a crew who runs with felons. Still, an eyewitness statement is enough for dunn to go free.

 

[spacejamz]

Meanwhile, 72 people were shot (12 were killed) in Chicago over the holiday weekend...

Where is the outrage???

 

[SpatiallyAware]

If you're familiar with the English language, which I presume that you are from your repeated usage of it, then you can read his words and see that he's clearly guessing. I did you and everyone else the favor of pasting them in this thread so you don't even have to click a link to read them.

Why is no one willing to explain why they took the huge risk of ditching their imaginary gun in front of three restaurants and a Starbucks?

Huge risk?? They have a felon still on probation in the car! They know that cops are around the corner, as shots fired = po po arriving shortly. Ditching a gun is not really a huge risk here in this situation.. It's their ONLY chance at keeping the felon on probation and jordan davis from going to jail that night.

Since they run with felons they likely knew they had 2-3 minutes MAX to hide that gun. They can't run around the block, they had to do it quick. The parking lot next door is exactly where they would go, it's not at all surprising to me.



I'm still waiting to see that police report. I don't remember where I read it, but at one point someone made a statement that the felon thug crew never told the officers that they left the scene....

 

[mugs]

Sure, we are still waiting on evidence, but we also have direct evidence of self defense already in this case. We certainly have enough evidence to start forming an opinion (both legally applicable and otherwise) as to what happened. Based on what we know as fact it's blatantly obvious that the felon thug crew hid that shotgun.


A witness specifically saw them trying to stash something. That is HUGELY damning evidence if the state is going to take another lynch mob to trial.

Wait, are you saying the guy who said "I don't know if they were trying to stash something in the car or look for something or what" is your direct evidence of self defense and proof that they hid a shotgun in front of three restaurants and a Starbucks and in view of witnesses who never saw the gun? Or are you referring to the defendant's eyewitness account given a day later after fleeing the scene, ordering a pizza and not reporting the shooting to the police?

Are you interested in purchasing some prime real estate in lower Manhattan currently occupied by a bridge?

I'm still waiting to see that police report. I don't remember where I read it, but at one point someone made a statement that the felon thug crew never told the officers that they left the scene....

I know where you read it, Dunn's lawyer suggested that it was a possibility without any knowledge of whether they actually told the police they left the scene. It was speculation, it had no basis in fact.

Edit: here's your source: http://www.actionnewsjax.com/mostpo...oved-after-Jordan/uH5MSsjJ_EyhZ39O4GitqQ.cspx

New details in the case were revealed in court today about the SUV the teens were traveling in. According to Strolla, he expects the police reports to show that the red Durango Davis was in, left the crime scene and came back before police arrived.

"The ballistics will show that if a gun is fired from just a few feet away from where my client's car was and those boys told police they never left the scene, well that's obviously a false report to police," said Strolla.

I don't know what the teens told the police, but I do know that they knew the SUV left the scene before they interviewed Michael Dunn. I know this because when they interviewed Michael Dunn they questioned why he continued shooting at the SUV as it fled the scene.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Meanwhile, 72 people were shot (12 were killed) in Chicago over the holiday weekend...

Where is the outrage???

Well first we have to determine the race of all 72 people along with the race of the accused shooters.

If we can determine any of the shooters are lighter than medium beige then RACE WAR!

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Wait, are you saying the guy who said "I don't know if they were trying to stash something in the car or look for something or what" is your direct evidence of self defense and proof that they hid a shotgun in front of three restaurants and a Starbucks and in view of witnesses who never saw the gun? Or are you referring to the defendant's eyewitness account given a day later after fleeing the scene, ordering a pizza and not reporting the shooting to the police?

Are you interested in purchasing some prime real estate in lower Manhattan currently occupied by a bridge?

From the article:

He heard the gunshots and called police, telling the dispatcher he saw the driver and passenger get out of the red Dodge Durango that was carrying Davis and three other teens.
"One was on his cellphone looking back, and it looked like they were pretty much just -- I don't know if they were trying to stash something in the car or look for something or what, but it looked like they got out, kind of brushed themselves off and then they got back in,"



It's florida, so jury of 6, but this will absolutely be reasonable doubt regarding what happened.

Again, there is NO logical reason for a SUV of 4 kids who know the laws to 1) leave the scene 2) park at the end of a parking lot and appear to try to stash something 3) RETURN to the scene complete with homie bleeding out 4) Not tell the cops that they left the scene and went for a short scenic drive around the neighboring parking lot with some thug leaking blood all over their vehicle.

 

[mugs]

Again, there is NO logical reason for a SUV of 4 kids who know the laws to 1) leave the scene 2) park at the end of a parking lot and appear to try to stash something 3) RETURN to the scene complete with homie bleeding out 4) Not tell the cops that they left the scene and went for a short scenic drive around the neighboring parking lot with some thug leaking blood all over their vehicle.

I addressed all this before. I edited my previous reply with your source for the teens lying to the police. It was speculation, not fact. And it was most likely inaccurate speculation.

I don't think you know what reasonable doubt is.

 

[QueBert]

SA probation's given in place of jail/prison time. Felons go to prison, nobody in this crew was a felon. If the person had done something serious they would be on parole and have served time.

Probation's basically a slap on the wrist.

 

[HumblePie]

SA probation's given in place of jail/prison time. Felons go to prison, nobody in this crew was a felon. If the person had done something serious they would be on parole and have served time.

Probation's basically a slap on the wrist.

Cleopatra is black right?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I addressed all this before. I edited my previous reply with your source for the teens lying to the police. It was speculation, not fact. And it was most likely inaccurate speculation.

I don't think you know what reasonable doubt is.

The felon thug crew not telling the police they left has not been addressed.

I've said since the beginning that this case rides on two critical details - if someone saw them leave and appear to hide that gun (which has happened), and if truly did omit the all important detail of leaving the scene and circling the parking lot next door as a short scenic drive before returning to the scene (so far unconfirmed, but rumors are that they didn't tell anyone about this).


Face it, your felon thug crew is done here. I highly suggest you find another situation to support.

Society doesn't care about thugs or crews that run with thugs.

If your friends or family are on felon probation for multiple crimes I highly suggest you avoid getting into a confrontation with them by your side - because I guarantee no one is going to believe the thuggish version of events.

It's like I've been saying for well over a year.... Society in general is fed up with this thug culture and the people who support it.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

SA probation's given in place of jail/prison time. Felons go to prison, nobody in this crew was a felon. If the person had done something serious they would be on parole and have served time.

Probation's basically a slap on the wrist.

False.


The one crew member was convicted of a felony. I don't care if they're in jail or not - convicted felon is a convicted felon.


He certainly would've found his ass back in jail after getting caught running with a crew that carries a shotgun around.

 

[QueBert]

Cleopatra is black right?

I have no idea what this has to do with this thread, I'm sure you believe you're making some sort of point though. So I'll play along as I could use a good chuckle.

She may or may not have been black, but it's unknown. Now how exactly does this tie into this thread?

False.


The one crew member was convicted of a felony. I don't care if they're in jail or not - convicted felon is a convicted felon.


He certainly would've found his ass back in jail after getting caught running with a crew that carries a shotgun around.

So what's the punishment for getting caught with an imaginary gun? Is it imaginary jail? Or is it imaginary prison? I'm confused here.

 

[mugs]

The felon thug crew not telling the police they left has not been addressed.

Yeah, it has been. I found you the quote you got that from, it was speculation from the murderer's lawyer that had no basis in fact. I don't what the teens said to the police, but we do know that the police were aware that they left the scene before they interviewed Dunn, because they questioned why Dunn continued shooting at them as they fled.

Face it, your felon thug crew is done here. I highly suggest you find another situation to support.

Society doesn't care about thugs or crews that run with thugs.

Your repeated use of language that implies gang membership is offensive.

If your friends or family are on felon probation for multiple crimes I highly suggest you avoid getting into a confrontation with them by your side - because I guarantee no one is going to believe the thuggish version of events.

It's like I've been saying for well over a year.... Society in general is fed up with this thug culture and the people who support it.

I guess that'll include Dunn's family soon.

 

[HumblePie]

I have no idea what this has to do with this thread, I'm sure you believe you're making some sort of point though. So I'll play along as I could use a good chuckle.

She may or may not have been black, but it's unknown. Now how exactly does this tie into this thread?





So what's the punishment for getting caught with an imaginary gun? Would it be imaginary jail, or imaginary prison? I'm confused here.

LOL I am pointing out how wrong you tend to be on the easiest of things to research. Egyptians are considered black right?

 

[QueBert]

LOL I am pointing out how wrong you tend to be on the easiest of things to research. Egyptians are considered black right?

Depends on who you ask, they're considered African by many, some simply think of them as Egyptian. The debate on weather she was black or not has been going on for ever. If you think this is easy to research, I really have to question your intellect. Because there's nothing even remotely close to a definitive answer what she was outside of being from Egypt. One person will say "she was absolutely Greek" the next the exact opposite.

 

[soundforbjt]

You know maybe the thug "businessman's" story would be more credible if:

He hadn't continued firing as they tried to flee from his shots.

He would've stayed to give his story when police arrived.

He would've came back/turned himself in once he found out he murdered someone.

Had one witness who agreed with his story.

Had the imaginary shotgun been found or seen by ANYONE other than him.

 

[HomerJS]

You know maybe the thug "businessman's" story would be more credible if:

He hadn't continued firing as they tried to flee from his shots.

He would've stayed to give his story when police arrived.

He would've came back/turned himself in once he found out he murdered someone.

Had one witness who agreed with his story.

Had the imaginary shotgun been found or seen by ANYONE other than him.

Another example of ATPN thread "white privilege". In some eyes Dunn gets every benefit of doubt. Kids in car get none.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Another example of ATPN thread "white privilege". In some eyes Dunn gets every benefit of doubt. Kids in car get none.

People are fed up with thugs of any color. Those of you who continually associate thug and thug culture with any race need to get some help to deal with your racism.

 

[mugs]

People are fed up with thugs of any color. Those of you who continually associate thug and thug culture with any race need to get some help to deal with your racism.

Especially thugs who shoot kids for talking back to them.

 

[QueBert]

People are fed up with thugs of any color. Those of you who continually associate thug and thug culture with any race need to get some help to deal with your racism.

Why aren't you fed up with Dunn then? He's clearly the biggest thug in this case.

And you talk about racism lol