Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[umbrella39]

Wow, "durango felon crew"? I just saw this thread but am amazed at the instant racist undertones in your comments.

He doesn't even try to hide it. Amazed that he is allow to post his bullshit here.

 

[QueBert]

Whole lotta white guilt in this thread.

Fuck that shit and fuck the skittles.

Even though it has nothing directly to do with me, I do have some level of white guilt because pieces of shit like Dunn are out there doing whatever they want to minorities. It's really not fair how much white people get away with in this country.

 

[mugs]

Whole lotta white guilt in this thread.

Fuck that shit and fuck the skittles.

If any evidence comes out that backs up the claim of self defense, and people still blame Dunn, you can call it white guilt. People are reaching a reasonable conclusion based on the evidence that is available to us at this time. Everyone knows that more evidence could come out that changes things (as happened in the George Zimmerman case).

 

[They Live]

When Michael David Dunn’s girlfriend asked him why he had just fired shots into a red Dodge Durango, killing 17-year-old Jordan Davis, Dunn told her he felt threatened by the four teenagers in the car and thought they were starting to “advance on him.”
But according to court documents released Tuesday by the State Attorney’s Office, Dunn never told Rhonda Rouer that he saw any of the teenagers with a weapon. Dunn later told police he saw a shotgun in the Durango, and that is expected to be his main defense when he goes on trial for murder and attempted murder.
The couple, in town for Dunn’s son’s wedding, said they didn’t know anyone was hit until seeing it on TV the next day.
Jordan and his three friends were in the Durango on Nov. 23 when Dunn and Rouer pulled up next to them in a Volkswagen Jetta at a Southside gas station and convenience store. Rouer told police the music coming from the Durango was loud and Dunn said, “I hate that thug music.”
Rouer said it was common for Dunn, 46, to complain about “thug music,” but it was unusual for him to confront someone over it.
When Rouer went inside the store, Dunn asked the teenagers to turn down the music. The teen in the front seat complied. Davis, who was sitting in the right rear passenger seat, then told his friend to turn the music back up, the documents show.
HEATED WORDS
The other teenagers said Davis and Dunn then began to have an argument while both were still in their vehicles, with Davis cursing at Dunn. A witness who had just walked out of the convenience store told police Dunn pointed a handgun out the window and said, “You are not going to talk to me like that” before he began firing at the Durango and continuing to fire as the vehicle attempted to leave the parking lot.
Police believe nine shots were fired, all by Dunn. Davis was killed, but the other three teenagers were not hurt.
Rouer didn’t see what happened but heard the shots. Dunn shouted at her to get in the car and drove away at a high rate of speed.
She asked Dunn what happened as they were driving back to their hotel, and he never said anything about seeing a weapon. Once they got to the hotel, they didn’t discuss it again.
The two left Jacksonville and returned to their home in Brevard County, where Dunn was located later in the day because witnesses reported his license plate number.
Dunn later told police he saw the barrel of a shotgun as Davis started to get out of the Durango. When detective M.A. Musser told Dunn that no gun was found in the vehicle or the surrounding area, Dunn said he saw either a barrel or a stick.
Dunn attorney Cory Strolla has argued that the teens drove away after the shooting, giving them a chance to dispose of a weapon.
But several witnesses, including a police officer making a nearby DUI arrest, said the vehicle left the parking lot but stopped about 400 feet away. After realizing Davis had been shot, the driver of the Durango drove in reverse back to the gas station, returning less than two minutes after leaving, police reports said.
None of the witnesses saw a gun or any other weapon in the Durango.
Strolla could not be reached for comment Tuesday. Attorney John Phillips, who is representing the Davis family in a civil lawsuit against Dunn, said Rouer’s statement shows Dunn has no credibility.
“From the start this has been a credibility case, and each new piece of information that comes out shows that Michael Dunn can’t be trusted,” Phillips said.
Dunn’s next pretrial hearing is April 9 before Circuit Judge Suzanne Bass, who denied a request for bail last month.
A trial date has not been set.

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...is-killer-didnt-mention-seeing-gun-girlfriend

 

[Capt Caveman]

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...is-killer-didnt-mention-seeing-gun-girlfriend

HAHA. Dunn's GF is a witness against him. And a Police Officer is a witness that the Durango didn't take off more than 400 feet.

Can't wait for the Dunn crew to explain this.

A witness who had just walked out of the convenience store told police Dunn pointed a handgun out the window and said, “You are not going to talk to me like that” before he began firing at the Durango and continuing to fire as the vehicle attempted to leave the parking lot.

But several witnesses, including a police officer making a nearby DUI arrest, said the vehicle left the parking lot but stopped about 400 feet away. After realizing Davis had been shot, the driver of the Durango drove in reverse back to the gas station, returning less than two minutes after leaving, police reports said.

 

[spidey07]

So it looks like there were verbal threats against Dunn's life and disparity of force in play in his occupied vehicle. Castle doctrine applies. So far that is lawful self defense aka a good shoot.

 

[Capt Caveman]

So it looks like there were verbal threats against Dunn and disparity of force in play. So far that is lawful self defense aka a good shoot.

:biggrin: Thug is going to spend the rest of his life in jail. And yeah, too bad his defense is around some gun that he didn't even tell his GF about.

Rouer said it was common for Dunn, 46, to complain about “thug music,” but it was unusual for him to confront someone over it.

 

[HumblePie]

Based upon that article, looks like Dunn is a murderer to me. But that is if you asked me to judge him based solely upon that article. We'll find out soon enough the evidence of the case and if there really is anything more to his claim that Dunn saw a gun.

If that was something he made up later, he's absolutely toast. Even if the teens WERE threatening him verbally and had no gun, if he lied about seeing one then his testimony about being threatened goes right out the window.

It's going to boil down to that statement of him seeing a gun.

 

[HumblePie]

So it looks like there were verbal threats against Dunn's life and disparity of force in play in his occupied vehicle. Castle doctrine applies. So far that is lawful self defense aka a good shoot.

Unfortunately, it may have been that they were verbally threatening his life. Unless we have a witness that can back that claim up or Dunn can back the claim up of seeing a gun then the credibility of his testimony over the gun is going to remove any credibility about being verbally threatened.

 

[spidey07]

:biggrin: Thug is going to spend the rest of his life in jail. And yeah, too bad his defense is around some gun that he didn't even tell his GF about.

Doesn't matter. He was in his occupied vehicle and there were verbal threats against his life with accompanying disparity of force. No weapon necessary to shoot at that point.

 

[SheHateMe]

Interesting :whiste:

 

[Capt Caveman]

Doesn't matter. He was in his occupied vehicle and there were verbal threats against his life with accompanying disparity of force. No weapon necessary to shoot at that point.

:biggrin: Not even his GF will testify to that. And now that he's been caught lying about the gun, only an idiot like you would believe anything else that he says. One thug against multiple eyewitnesses. Later Dunn.

 

[spidey07]

Unfortunately, it may have been that they were verbally threatening his life. Unless we have a witness that can back that claim up or Dunn can back the claim up of seeing a gun then the credibility of his testimony over the gun is going to remove any credibility about being verbally threatened.

It's he said she said, and you know the teens aren't going to say they did anything wrong...you of course know they didn't do nothing.

 

[SheHateMe]

It's he said she said, and you know the teens aren't going to say they did anything wrong...you of course know dey didnt do nuffin.

And I guess the witnesses are just helping the teens too, eh?

Even the police witnesses?

Them too, eh?

The only person corroborating Dunn's side of the story is Dunn....

 

[HumblePie]

It's he said she said, and you know the teens aren't going to say they did anything wrong...you of course know they didn't do nothing.

The teens are going to claim the said nothing verbally threatening nor had a weapon. Dunn is going to state the opposite. It is a he said she said thing in regards to their testimony.

The compelling testimony is going to be Dunn's GF, and any of the witnesses at the station.

 

[spidey07]

:biggrin: Not even his GF will testify to that. And now that he's been caught lying about the gun, only an idiot like you would believe anything else that he says. One thug against multiple eyewitnesses. Later Dunn.

Well I sure as hell am not going to believe a convicted felon in the car with the other thugs.

And he's not lying about the gun, he is saying he saw a gun. Doesn't mean there was a gun, but he reasonably believed a weapon was being presented.

Not that a weapon was necessary for him to lawfully shoot. Get it?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Well I sure as hell am not going to believe a convicted felon in the car with the other thugs.

I know. But let's believe this GF and the police officer who are eyewitnesses.

 

[They Live]

Well I sure as hell am not going to believe a convicted felon in the car with the other thugs.

And he's not lying about the gun, he is saying he saw a gun. Doesn't mean there was a gun, but he reasonably believed a weapon was being presented.

Not that a weapon was necessary for him to lawfully shoot. Get it?

Yet, apparently didn't tell his wife about this supposed "gun".

 

[spidey07]

I know. But let's believe this GF and the police officer who are eyewitnesses.

Yes, that is where the verbal threats and disparity of force come into play. Davis cursing, yelling and threatening plus disparity of force = lawful self defense when in occupied vehicle and castle doctrine is in play.

His occupied vehicle is exactly the same as his house.

 

[spidey07]

Yet, apparently didn't tell his wife about this supposed "gun".

And a gun isn't necessary for him to lawfully shoot. You know that. All he has to say is "I thought I saw a weapon". Doesn't mean a weapon has to be there, only that he believed one was present/showed along with the threats to his life and disparity of force.

 

[They Live]

There's no evidence of any threats.

Davis "cursing" is not a threat.

Thus far, the only eye witness we know of saw Dunn say"You are not going to talk to me like that” before he began firing at the Durango and continuing to fire as the vehicle attempted to leave the parking lot (quoted from the article).

 

[They Live]

And a gun isn't necessary for him to lawfully shoot. You know that. All he has to say is "I thought I saw a weapon". Doesn't mean a weapon has to be there, only that he believed one was present/showed along with the threats to his life and disparity of force.

He never told his wife he thought he saw a weapon.

No evidence of any threats either.

 

[HumblePie]

Yet, apparently didn't tell his wife about this supposed "gun".

Not his wife first off.

Secondly, he didn't say ANYTHING to her after the shooting really either according to her testimony. She basically stated that he didn't want to talk about the incident with her immediately after. His lack of communication to her is not indication of a lie on his part.

 

[spidey07]

He never told his wife he thought he saw a weapon.

No evidence of any threats either.

There is evidence of the threats against his life. There is eye witness testimony.

Problem is the teens will never admit they did as much, but common sense says they were.

 

[HumblePie]

This is a slightly better article about the "recent" leaked case info to the media.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...ned-weapon-in-gas/ouZ1ChAnS0aMvjAg3JQjUA.cspx

It's a bit less opined on the subject.