It wouldn't matter if he was shitfaced. You don't automatically lose your right to self defense if you're drunk when 4 males, with a disparity of force, physically and verbally threaten your life while in your occupied vehicle.
It wouldn't matter if he was shitfaced. You don't automatically lose your right to self defense if you're drunk when 4 males, with a disparity of force, physically and verbally threaten your life while in your occupied vehicle.
Sure and what if being shitfaced impaired your thinking abilities and everything you thought happened really didn't pan out that way?
For example, drunk people do crazy things, accuse people of stuff and start fights.
Are you really saying that it wouldnt matter if he'd been drinking at all and that his judgement was PERFECTLY clear regardless?
Why else would they leave the scene like that??
I know if I had some totally random guy pull up and shoot inside my vehicle, then they left the scene, I would wait for the cops. Any reasonable person would do the same.
Sure and what if being shitfaced impaired your thinking abilities and everything you thought happened really didn't pan out that way?
For example, drunk people do crazy things, accuse people of stuff and start fights.
Are you really saying that it wouldnt matter if he'd been drinking at all and that his judgement was PERFECTLY clear regardless?
it's based on reasonable person standard.
a reasonable person, being verbally and physically threatened, while in their occupied vehicle would reasonably believe their life to be in danger from an imminent threat.
So i'm saying absolutely and with authority it wouldn't matter.
Any proof the left the scene. You guys kept saying this but I couldnt find a source.
Right, so because Spatial says so..it is not possible.
Sure and what if being shitfaced impaired your thinking abilities and everything you thought happened really didn't pan out that way?
For example, drunk people do crazy things, accuse people of stuff and start fights.
Are you really saying that it wouldnt matter if he'd been drinking at all and that his judgement was PERFECTLY clear regardless?
It's based on reasonable person standard.
A reasonable person, being verbally and physically threatened, while in their occupied vehicle would reasonably believe their life to be in danger from an imminent threat.
So I'm saying absolutely and with authority it wouldn't matter.
Also, as I pointed out, witness testimony from the wedding points out that Dunn was NOT drunk in the links I gave in previous posts. Go READ.
Stop with trying to state Dunn was drunk at the time. Evidence that the public knows shows otherwise at this time.
yes because the people at the wedding were monitoring how much he was drinking. I bet money that not a single person at that wedding could truthfully say how much Dunn had drank. All they could say would be 'I don't think..." or "he probably didn't..." And you have no idea what he did when he left the wedding, for all we know as soon as he got in his car, the 1st thing he did was pull out a flask of JD and take a few big ass swigs. Remember he was at a liquor store to get liquor when the shooting occurred.
He wasn't there to get Sweet Tea and Skittles...
Of course people at the wedding are going to say he didn't drink. How would they know? Have you ever been to a wedding? Unless someone is pissy drunk and falling all over the place..nobody will notice.
Also, "Not drunk" =/= "he didnt drink at all"
They said no one was drinking much because not much alcohol was offered. I'm guessing if the wedding was like most people's there wasn't an open bar. Most real people can't afford that.
They said no one was drinking much because not much alcohol was offered.
It's based on reasonable person standard.
A reasonable person, being verbally and physically threatened, while in their occupied vehicle would reasonably believe their life to be in danger from an imminent threat.
So I'm saying absolutely and with authority it wouldn't matter.
Its so funny how you guys get mad when we assume stuff about Dunn but its totally okay to assume things about the "thugs" in the SUV. Oh the ironing.
Also, as I pointed out, witness testimony from the wedding points out that Dunn was NOT drunk in the links I gave in previous posts. Go READ.
Stop with trying to state Dunn was drunk at the time. Evidence that the public knows shows otherwise at this time.
So does that mean he didn't have a drink or two?
And yes, I know that some people cannot afford to go all out at a wedding. I was just saying that nobody could really gauge if the guy was "drunk" or if he had a "few drinks".
I mean..really..was somebody watching him the whole night? We know he wasnt drunk, but that doesnt mean he didnt have a few drinks.
Anyway, I cannot find your links because they are buried in the thread. Revive them please.
Its so funny how you guys get mad when we assume stuff about Dunn but its totally okay to assume things about the "thugs" in the SUV. Oh the ironing.
Except this "reasonable" person imagines a shotgun being pointed at him because he's a crazy racist drunk.
He left early. Real early by all accounts. I doubt he had time to get more than a single drink if any considering the time frame involved of when the wedding party started and when the incident took place before 7:30.
Calling him DRUNK or going on a drunken rampage shooting spree is asinine at the point to say the least. Again, evidence points to the fact he wasn't drunk, witnesses state he wasn't drunk, and he didn't have time to get drunk unless he pounded them back in rapid fire. Which anyone pounding drinks that fast at a wedding is going to get noticed doing so.
By all accounts he was happy, having a great day, out with his GF and his new puppy and visiting his son for his wedding. He also had a long drive ahead of him and knew he would be staying at a hotel before going home. Someone like that doesn't pound back the alcohol.
Well he was a black kid with a hoodie on, so he was obviously a vicious thug who was undoubtedly trying to ghetto stomp this kind old Caucasian gentleman. The guy didn't want to shoot him but his life was in danger.
Right Spidey?
Oh and
your racism knows no boundaries, even if you have to totally make shit up in the process to attempt to prove a point.
Reasonable person:
Old businessman with no violent history or any current issues.
vs.
Violent felon, on probation.
Choose to act like a thug, dress like a thug, run with thugs.... Don't be surprised when society treats you like a thug.