Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[JohnOfSheffield]

Yes and no. You need some sort of evidence to charge and hold someone. It doesn't have to be evidence enough to convict, but enough to provide reasonable suspicion that there may be further evidence that could be used to convict.

Testimony from the kids in the car stating that they did not threaten Dunn is enough to provide such evidence. I am not stating that was the evidence used or even the only evidence used, but it certainly seems the most plausible at the point.

Well of bloody course there has to be some evidence or no court would deem it reasonable suspicion.

So it's about the same i suppose.

 

[HumblePie]

It was impounded from the scene on Friday night so when they searched it wouldn't matter unless you are suggesting that someone broke into the impound to remove the weapon from the car.

It seems unlikely that they would be able to get rid of something the size of a shotgun without anyone noticing and no one finding it and the police did impound the car from the gas station.

Well, it didn't have to be a gun, but something that could look like the barrel of a shotgun. Dunn's lawyer stated he saw the barrel, and not the whole gun. Which means that it could have been something that looked like a barrel of a shotgun. Something which could have been much smaller and much easier to conceal. Which means it could have stayed on the person of one of the kids and not thought of by police as evidence to seek because the cops didn't get Dunn's statement until after Friday.

There in lies the problem and why Dunn is an idiot. If there was something that was used to be construed as a gun, but much smaller and not actually a gun; then he gave the kids a chance to hide it before the cops would think to look for it. Maybe the kids had two taped up empty rolls of toilet paper tubes. Such an item could have been chucked in the trash or hidden elsewhere and the cops would never know.

 

[Dude111]

I don't like loud blaring music idiots either, but fuck this guy for murdering a kid.

Indeed........ People are slowly losing it.... Stupid kid for blaring crappy music but that doesnt give the guy the right to do this!

 

[HumblePie]

You realize the police towed the suv that night and it was impounded. Doesn't matter when the search took place.

Yes it does. You do realize that all the kids had to have was a couple of toilet paper rolls taped together and pointed in his direction at an angle to the window so as to conceal the true nature of the item. If the windows were tinted and the distance far enough, it could be something easily construed as a shotgun barrel. Later of which it would be nothing more than trash if looked at later.

Again, I am NOT stating that such an item was used. I am merely pointing out a hypothetical scenario which is entirely plausible.

 

[HumblePie]

Well, if the eyewitnesses were heard and did corroborate Dunn's story then it's unlikely that he would be charged with murder 2 and held without bail, is it not?

Nope. Conflicting eye witness accounts aren't enough evidence in either direction regardless. Not in this stage of the investigation.

 

[spidey07]

Indeed........ People are slowly losing it.... Stupid kid for blaring crappy music but that doesnt give the guy the right to do this!

When they verbally threatened his life and presented a weapon, it abolutely DOES give the victim the right to do exactly this.

You can see how the media is spinning this "he shot him for loud music!" You can see how it already made people's minds up, they believe he shot because of loud music.

No, it was the verbal and physical threats to his life when he was in his occupied vehicle that caused it.

 

[Geosurface]

Link to video?

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Lawyer-Murder-suspect-saw-shotgun-in-teens-SUV/-/475880/17566116/-/ku79pw/-/index.html

 

[soundforbjt]

Just a quick question, is it legal to carry a gun while intoxicated in the US?

I'm far, far from an expert, but I'd guess a big NO to that one.

 

[Todd33]

I know if I lost my cool (probably drunk) and shot up a SUV full of black kids I 'd say I saw a gun too.

 

[Dude111]

When they verbally threatened his life and presented a weapon, it abolutely DOES give the victim the right to do exactly this.

You can see how the media is spinning this "he shot him for loud music!" You can see how it already made people's minds up, they believe he shot because of loud music.

No, it was the verbal and physical threats to his life when he was in his occupied vehicle that caused it.

Thank you i went back and re-read the article... WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS!!

 

[HumblePie]

I'm far, far from an expert, but I'd guess a big NO to that one.

Legal to carry? Depends. Legal to be in an establishment that serves alcohol while carrying? No.

There is a fine line there. It is perfectly legal for me to be drunk off my ass at home and have a loaded weapon in my hand. It's not exactly the smartest idea to do so, but perfectly legal.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Well, it didn't have to be a gun, but something that could look like the barrel of a shotgun. Dunn's lawyer stated he saw the barrel, and not the whole gun. Which means that it could have been something that looked like a barrel of a shotgun. Something which could have been much smaller and much easier to conceal. Which means it could have stayed on the person of one of the kids and not thought of by police as evidence to seek because the cops didn't get Dunn's statement until after Friday.

Well, from Dunn's statements he was absolutely certain that it was a shotgun:

"but he knows a shotgun when he sees one because he got his first gun as a gift from his grandparents when he was in third grade."

"When he saw the shotgun barrel come up in the rear passenger window, he saw about three to four inches of it"

"He estimated the gauge of the shotgun, the type, everything, he's very familiar with firearms, as I said, owns firearms and has since he was in third grade."

From that description it would have to be something very close to a shotgun barrel.

 

[HumblePie]

I know if I lost my cool (probably drunk) and shot up a SUV full of black kids I 'd say I saw a gun too.

Could be the case. Don't know yet.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Lawyer-Murder-suspect-saw-shotgun-in-teens-SUV/-/475880/17566116/-/ku79pw/-/index.html

Irrelevant now but thank you anyway.

 

[soundforbjt]

Yes it does. You do realize that all the kids had to have was a couple of toilet paper rolls taped together and pointed in his direction at an angle to the window so as to conceal the true nature of the item. If the windows were tinted and the distance far enough, it could be something easily construed as a shotgun barrel. Later of which it would be nothing more than trash if looked at later.

Again, I am NOT stating that such an item was used. I am merely pointing out a hypothetical scenario which is entirely plausible.

but he knows a shotgun when he sees one because he got his first gun as a gift from his grandparents when he was in third grade."

^^^That's from HIS lawyer. "couple of toilet paper rolls taped together" doesn't fit his lawyer's narritive.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You realize the police towed the suv that night and it was impounded. Doesn't matter when the search took place.

Sure it does... Any smart thug will run and dump that gun ASAP after a situation like that. They know that if they provoked the incident they would be in trouble as well, so they have to fabricate a good story.

They teach this in Thug 101.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Legal to carry? Depends. Legal to be in an establishment that serves alcohol while carrying? No.

There is a fine line there. It is perfectly legal for me to be drunk off my ass at home and have a loaded weapon in my hand. It's not exactly the smartest idea to do so, but perfectly legal.

I was referring to carrying in public while being drunk, of course.

In regards to doing it "at home" are you referring to inside your house/apartment or would that be in your backyard/frontyard too?

 

[HumblePie]

Well, from Dunn's statements he was absolutely certain that it was a shotgun:

"but he knows a shotgun when he sees one because he got his first gun as a gift from his grandparents when he was in third grade."

"When he saw the shotgun barrel come up in the rear passenger window, he saw about three to four inches of it"

"He estimated the gauge of the shotgun, the type, everything, he's very familiar with firearms, as I said, owns firearms and has since he was in third grade."

From that description it would have to be something very close to a shotgun barrel.

Yep, he could completely and totally believe he saw a shotgun and misconstrued it instead for a couple of tape together toilet paper rolls. People can make emphatic mistakes. He could have had a bit of alcohol in him and it messed a bit with what he saw as well. Right now we have no clue. Cops will find out if he was drinking previous at the wedding and if he was still possibly under the effect of alcohol if they haven't done so yet.

 

[Corporate Thug]

From the video I just watched, they didn't search the SUV until Monday.

When the incident took place Friday :|

Oh yea, I'm sure that gun would still be there.

Maybe if the shooter called it in shortly after opening fire in public, the cops would have been able to get to the car sooner?

 

[soundforbjt]

Legal to carry? Depends. Legal to be in an establishment that serves alcohol while carrying? No.

There is a fine line there. It is perfectly legal for me to be drunk off my ass at home and have a loaded weapon in my hand. It's not exactly the smartest idea to do so, but perfectly legal.

In Tennessee, as long as you're not drinking, you can carry in a bar unless posted.

 

[HumblePie]

I was referring to carrying in public while being drunk, of course.

In regards to doing it "at home" are you referring to inside your house/apartment or would that be in your backyard/frontyard too?

I could be in my yard and drunk and carrying. Actually, I can be carrying here in Texas in public while under the influence legally. Strange at that may sound. I just couldn't enter certain premises like that though legally.

 

[HumblePie]

In Tennessee, as long as you're not drinking, you can carry in a bar.

Yep, fun gun laws are everywhere in the states. That's why asking broad purpose questions like JoS is hard to answer. Because it really does all depend on what state, county, city, and even municipality you live in.

 

[Corporate Thug]

You don't know that AT all, that is not a statement of fact. There very well could have been a weapon or what appeared to be a weapon that they later ditched. My guess is we'll get one of the thugs to crack on the stand that there was.

There could also have been a unicorn w/ a AR-15. The only "evidence" of a weapon is the shooter's own self serving statement.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Sure it does... Any smart thug will run and dump that gun ASAP after a situation like that. They know that if they provoked the incident they would be in trouble as well, so they have to fabricate a good story.

They teach this in Thug 101.

Aspebloootely, maybe it was a very small shotgun that no witnesses could see and they dumped it in a crack in the pavement so no one could find it in the vicinity either?

I mean, if we are talking about extremely unlikely what if scenarios.

 

[HumblePie]

^^^That's from HIS lawyer. "couple of toilet paper rolls taped together" doesn't fit his lawyer's narritive.

Yep, and that doesn't mean he could be wrong. Every one can make a mistake. Especially more so if under stress/duress, scared, a bit drunk, from a distance, and looking at something at an odd angle.

What I mean is that there could be zero chance of the kids having used a shotgun, but that doesn't mean Dunn wouldn't pass a polygraph showing he believed he saw one.