Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[spidey07]

Like yourself? Because that's what you are doing.

You assume he's innocent and a paragon of virtue because he killed a black kid, who you feel looks "thuggish" and therefore deserves to be shot.

In this country we have the presumption of innocence. I know it burns you crumpites up so much.

 

[CitizenKain]

In this country we have the presumption of innocence. I know it burns you crumpites up so much.

Yea, that's why you instantly assume they pointed a gun him, a gun that by all accounts doesn't exist. Why doesn't the victim get the presumption of innocence?

 

[Geosurface]

From the video I just watched, they didn't search the SUV until Monday.

When the incident took place Friday :|

Oh yea, I'm sure that gun would still be there.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

That came from the investigator, he was inside his vehicle.

But if their windows were way above his car, how did he shoot them? Through the door of their SUV? Upwards? By holding it above his head gangsta style?

Doesn't make much sense to me.

Anyway, the bullet trajectory will make this easy to figure out.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

From the video I just watched, they didn't search the SUV until Monday.

When the incident took place Friday :|

Oh yea, I'm sure that gun would still be there.

Link to video?

 

[Capt Caveman]

From the video I just watched, they didn't search the SUV until Monday.

When the incident took place Friday :|

Oh yea, I'm sure that gun would still be there.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/florida-man-accused-killing-teenager-music-dispute-17828484

Here's video of the scene that night. I'm guessing those kids ran off with the gun before the cops came then ran back to the car when they showed up b/c the vehicle was impounded that night by the cops. Or do you think the police let those kids drive off with the vehicle after taping the crime scene?

edit - you can see a tow truck about to tow the suv away

 

[soundforbjt]

That came from the investigator, he was inside his vehicle.

No, in the link you posted, that came from his lawyer, not the investigator.

 

[digiram]

Wow, I fear another LA riot type deal coming up real soon down there. Some of you won't be happy until that happens, ha?

I don't care what country it is, you can't just go around and shoot people.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/florida-man-accused-killing-teenager-music-dispute-17828484

Here's video of the scene that night. I'm guessing those kids ran off with the gun before the cops came then ran back to the car when they showed up b/c the vehicle was impounded that night by the cops. Or do you think the police let those kids drive off with the vehicle after taping the crime scene?

edit - you can see a tow truck about to tow the suv away

Heh, well then it really doesn't matter when it was searched and it's fairly certain that any search during the time it was impounded would be thorough enough.

Also, a shotgun isn't something you can easily conceal and just do away with without anyone noticing it or finding it.

 

[soundforbjt]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/florida-man-accused-killing-teenager-music-dispute-17828484

Here's video of the scene that night. I'm guessing those kids ran off with the gun before the cops came then ran back to the car when they showed up b/c the vehicle was impounded that night by the cops. Or do you think the police let those kids drive off with the vehicle after taping the crime scene?

edit - you can see a tow truck about to tow the suv away

I'll bet anything he was legally drunk...in the picture in the link he's in a bar, his girlfriend was in the station buying a bottle of wine...he was coming from his son's wedding....it just all fits together.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Heh, well then it really doesn't matter when it was searched and it's fairly certain that any search during the time it was impounded would be thorough enough.

Also, a shotgun isn't something you can easily conceal and just do away with without anyone noticing it or finding it.

Come on, the kids that lived just jumped right out of that vehicle with witnesses watching with that shotgun hidden under their hoodies and just ran off to hide it then came back before the police showed-up. B/c the killer's testimony is evidence there was a gun.

Or maybe those kids have a hidden compartment in the suv to hide weapons and the killer's lawyer is right that the police haven't searched the car thoroughly. Yeah, that's it!

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

No, in the link you posted, that came from his lawyer, not the investigator.

Actually:

"Investigators said Dunn's girlfriend was inside the store when the shooting happened. Dunn was sitting in the driver's seat waiting for her."

So it does seem that the investigators have established that he was inside the vehicle.

OTOH, so were the victims.

 

[HumblePie]

Yet with several witnesses present at the gas station providing testimony, he's been officially charged with second degree murder and had bail denied.

We don't know that yet at all. This is pure conjecture on your part.

What can be DEDUCED from what we have is that he provided a statement saying self defense. The investigation has statements from the kids in the car stating that they didn't threaten him.

Based on those two conflicting evidence statements, there is ground to charge him from only that.

While that is enough evidence to charge him, it's certainly not enough to convict. Not in the least. As there are other forms of evidence which would be other eye witness testimony from 1st hand witnesses not affiliated with either party in the incident, video footage, and other forensic evidence at the scene or possibly from elsewhere from the scene.

Again, if Dunn claims SYG, he'd be free right now so long as there was not an overwhelming burden of proof that an SYG claim could be negated. Sworn testimony from the 3 others in the car stating they did not threaten him would not constitute overwhelming burden of evidence.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I'll bet anything he was legally drunk...in the picture in the link he's in a bar, his girlfriend was in the station buying a bottle of wine...he was coming from his son's wedding....it just all fits together.

Just a quick question, is it legal to carry a gun while intoxicated in the US?

 

[Capt Caveman]

We don't know that yet at all. This is pure conjecture on your part.

What can be DEDUCED from what we have is that he provided a statement saying self defense. The investigation has statements from the kids in the car stating that they didn't threaten him.

Based on those two conflicting evidence statements, there is ground to charge him from only that.

While that is enough evidence to charge him, it's certainly not enough to convict. Not in the least. As there are other forms of evidence which would be other eye witness testimony from 1st hand witnesses not affiliated with either party in the incident, video footage, and other forensic evidence at the scene or possibly from elsewhere from the scene.

Again, if Dunn claims SYG, he'd be free right now so long as there was not an overwhelming burden of proof that an SYG claim could be negated. Sworn testimony from the 3 others in the car stating they did not threaten him would not constitute overwhelming burden of evidence.

I just quoted the article. And actually there are other witnesses. But keep on making up the facts. Are you a lawyer and know criminal law in FL? Or were you one of those people that suggested that people stop conjecturing what happened and wait til the truth comes out? Hypocrite.

Oh, since you missed it, he was denied bail.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

We don't know that yet at all. This is pure conjecture on your part.

What can be DEDUCED from what we have is that he provided a statement saying self defense. The investigation has statements from the kids in the car stating that they didn't threaten him.

Based on those two conflicting evidence statements, there is ground to charge him from only that.

While that is enough evidence to charge him, it's certainly not enough to convict. Not in the least. As there are other forms of evidence which would be other eye witness testimony from 1st hand witnesses not affiliated with either party in the incident, video footage, and other forensic evidence at the scene or possibly from elsewhere from the scene.

Again, if Dunn claims SYG, he'd be free right now so long as there was not an overwhelming burden of proof that an SYG claim could be negated. Sworn testimony from the 3 others in the car stating they did not threaten him would not constitute overwhelming burden of evidence.

Dunno if it's the same in the US but in the UK all you need to hold someone without bail is reasonable suspicion.

 

[HumblePie]

From the video I just watched, they didn't search the SUV until Monday.

When the incident took place Friday :|

Oh yea, I'm sure that gun would still be there.

That is also a factor in the case. There could have been a gun or an object that could have pointed and construed as a gun. If there was a gun or gun-like object it could have been removed before police sought to obtain it.

Which is why Dunn is a bit of an idiot if his story is true. If you are shooting in self defense and decide to flee to further remove yourself from possible threat, then you CALL the police once you are in a safe spot and as fast as possible. This way you get the police out on the scene investigating this asap and shit like a possible gun-like object doesn't all of a sudden go missing if there was one.

 

[soundforbjt]

Actually:

"Investigators said Dunn's girlfriend was inside the store when the shooting happened. Dunn was sitting in the driver's seat waiting for her."

So it does seem that the investigators have established that he was inside the vehicle.

OTOH, so were the victims.

That's right, the gun was unloaded in the glovebox.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Come on, the kids that lived just jumped right out of that vehicle with witnesses watching with that shotgun hidden under their hoodies and just ran off to hide it then came back before the police showed-up. B/c the killer's testimony is evidence there was a gun.

Or maybe those kids have a hidden compartment in the suv to hide weapons and the killer's lawyer is right that the police haven't searched the car thoroughly. Yeah, that's it!

Could also be a conspiracy, were any of the cops black?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Seriously... After the media campaign by the crumponites it leaves little choice but to at least charge him to avoid another lynch mob situation.

It's so sad that the same people who jumped to conclusions just a few months ago are doing the EXACT same thing.

Honestly, why do you care what anyone else thinks? :whiste:

I really don't care what you think. It is kind of fun debating this though. :awe:

 

[HumblePie]

I just quoted the article. And actually there are other witnesses. But keep on making up the facts. Are you a lawyer and know criminal law in FL? Or were you one of those people that suggested that people stop conjecturing what happened and wait til the truth comes out? Hypocrite.

Oh, since you missed it, he was denied bail.

I'm making up facts?? what??? What quote and what article you referring to? Show us all which article states that there are eye witnesses besides the kids in the car that state that Dunn was not threatened before firing. You are the one that made that claim as a fact. I said there have been no such release of information as I've gone through a ton of articles on this case already.

So who is making up what again?

 

[soundforbjt]

That is also a factor in the case. There could have been a gun or an object that could have pointed and construed as a gun. If there was a gun or gun-like object it could have been removed before police sought to obtain it.

You realize the police towed the suv that night and it was impounded. Doesn't matter when the search took place.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

That is also a factor in the case. There could have been a gun or an object that could have pointed and construed as a gun. If there was a gun or gun-like object it could have been removed before police sought to obtain it.

It was impounded from the scene on Friday night so when they searched it wouldn't matter unless you are suggesting that someone broke into the impound to remove the weapon from the car.

It seems unlikely that they would be able to get rid of something the size of a shotgun without anyone noticing and no one finding it and the police did impound the car from the gas station.

 

[HumblePie]

Dunno if it's the same in the US but in the UK all you need to hold someone without bail is reasonable suspicion.

Yes and no. You need some sort of evidence to charge and hold someone. It doesn't have to be evidence enough to convict, but enough to provide reasonable suspicion that there may be further evidence that could be used to convict.

Testimony from the kids in the car stating that they did not threaten Dunn is enough to provide such evidence. I am not stating that was the evidence used or even the only evidence used, but it certainly seems the most plausible at the point.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I'm making up facts?? what??? What quote and what article you referring to? Show us all which article states that there are eye witnesses besides the kids in the car that state that Dunn was not threatened before firing. You are the one that made that claim as a fact. I said there have been no such release of information as I've gone through a ton of articles on this case already.

So who is making up what again?

Well, if the eyewitnesses were heard and did corroborate Dunn's story then it's unlikely that he would be charged with murder 2 and held without bail, is it not?