Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[JulesMaximus]

Shut away. When I was teenager, we blasted music when we drove around town and I lived in an upper-middle class white suburb. If someone told us to turn it down, we more than likely would have turned the music up louder, ignored them or told them to STFU. Why? B/c we're not breaking any law.

I'm sure everyone else here as a teenager and even now play there music loud at times when they're in their car.

The only problem is that these kids were thugs to you and that means they were being disrespectful.

Fact - no gun was found in their vehicle so please stop with the these thugs flashed a gun barrel to this more than likely intoxicated jerk who fled the scene, stayed overnight at a hotel then fled the county without even contacting the police. Thankfully, he didn't kill everyone and someone got his license plate number.

I look forward to you making up plenty of crap like you do in the GZ thread.

:thumbsup: So did I when I was a teen and I probably would have told this guy to fuck off too.

 

[JulesMaximus]

What a sad society we live in nowadays, to where everyone simply cowers to thugs and thieves.


I also wonder, if there were more hotheads like dunn, if perhaps some of these kids would be a bit better behaved. With the number of CCW permits going up, and the number of stories like this going up, maybe these little thugs will think twice before reacting with violence.

And FYI, I am acutely aware of how the criminal element and "thug life" functions nowadays. Without going into detail, I grew in the hood.. the real hood.. and left all of that culture and etc behind a long time ago.

So, your solution is to challenge everyone who does something that doesn't meet with your approval for a polite society? Good luck with that. :whiste:

 

[SpatiallyAware]

So, your solution is to challenge everyone who does something that doesn't meet with your approval for a polite society? Good luck with that. :whiste:

Me, personally? For the most part, no, although I will bring it up when appropriate.

As I said before, Dunn was an idiot. Dumber than zimmerman, for doing what he did. But the bottom line is that asking (telling, whatever) some kids to turn down their music is perfectly legal.

And in response, telling him to fuck off, turning it louder, etc is also legal.


The line was crossed when they brandished a gun at the guy and/or threatened his life. Based on what we know right now, that is what happened. Until I see proof otherwise, Dunn is an innocent man. A stupid man for sure, but an innocent one.

 

[soundforbjt]

The real issue here is the presumption of innocent until proven guilty. The guy should be considered innocent until proven otherwise.

Many here hate that - they feel like if they "know" the person is guilty then they MUST be guilty and hung, barring any evidence to the contrary.

Readying the trayvon thread was enlightening, particularly the first few months, with people on the forums calling for zimmerman's head/death/etc with no evidence of any wrongdoing.

Then fast forward a bit, all of the sudden there's NO evidence to prove a crime was committed, and they all disappear.

Now they're back on another case... crying for blood again, and again with no actual evidence of wrongdoing.


I can't speak for others, but my issue here revolves 100% around presumption of innocence (or lack thereof). In my mind Dunn is innocent until PROVEN otherwise. As of yet, that hasn't happened. The moment there is proof that he committed a crime I will gladly accept that.

Do you feel that way in cases other than CCW shootings? Casey Anthony's or OJ's case?

 

[soundforbjt]

No weapon found means nothing at this point.

These kids aren't going to stick the gun on the dashboard and wait for the cops to show up and get it. If they had a gun, it would have been ditched well before any LEOs showed up. Stop being intentionally dense - have you not read the thread?

Think logically here... some 40+ year old business guy isn't going to walk up to a car full of thugs and start blasting away over some music.

Don't use logic yourself and realize there'd be tons of witnesses around to see anyone ditching a shotgun.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Do you feel that way in cases other than CCW shootings? Casey Anthony's or OJ's case?

Yes.

Life is not fair, and I would rather see 100 guilty people go free than 1 innocent person jailed.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Don't use logic yourself and realize there'd be tons of witnesses around to see anyone ditching a shotgun.

We have no idea at this point, maybe someone did see someone run and dump a gun.

Just like the trayvon/zimmerman case, you think purely with your heart and emotion, jumping to conclusions rather than waiting to see real evidence before throwing someone under the bus and embarassing yourself

 

[They Live]

We have no idea at this point, maybe someone did see someone run and dump a gun.

Just like the trayvon/zimmerman case, you think purely with your heart and emotion, jumping to conclusions rather than waiting to see real evidence before throwing someone under the bus and embarassing yourself

Interesting that you would say this when you have referred to the dead kid and his friends as "thugs" several times.

 

[soundforbjt]

Interesting that you would say this when you have referred to the dead kid and his friends as "thugs" several times.

Any minor who gets shot by a CCW holder is a "thug" to him.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Interesting that you would say this when you have referred to the dead kid and his friends as "thugs" several times.

Based on what we currently know:

Hoodie in deep cover attempting to conceal ID

Seen by eyewitness with gun

= Thug.


As soon as some evidence comes out showing these to be honor roll kids I'll change my stance.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Any minor who gets shot by a CCW holder is a "thug" to him.

If they deserve it, they're usually a thug.

So far, the kids in that SUV were little thugs. Honestly I hope some evidence comes out that allows us to determine for sure.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Me, personally? For the most part, no, although I will bring it up when appropriate.

As I said before, Dunn was an idiot. Dumber than zimmerman, for doing what he did. But the bottom line is that asking (telling, whatever) some kids to turn down their music is perfectly legal.

And in response, telling him to fuck off, turning it louder, etc is also legal.


The line was crossed when they brandished a gun at the guy and/or threatened his life. Based on what we know right now, that is what happened. Until I see proof otherwise, Dunn is an innocent man. A stupid man for sure, but an innocent one.

Well, except for the fact that no gun was found of course... :whiste:

Kind of hard to believe the shooters story of the kids brandishing a gun when police found no weapon. Add to that the fact that he drove off and didn't report the incident even after getting to a safe place where he could have reported it he still didn't report it.

Really isn't looking good for this guy.

 

[CitizenKain]

We have no idea at this point, maybe someone did see someone run and dump a gun.

Just like the trayvon/zimmerman case, you think purely with your heart and emotion, jumping to conclusions rather than waiting to see real evidence before throwing someone under the bus and embarassing yourself

Typical of the zimmerman supporters that you are whole heatedly behind this black kid being executed. Even better if someone can get away with it.

Speaking of jumping to conclusions, where is the gun these kids supposedly had? Sounds like you are just making shit up.

If they deserve it, they're usually a thug.

So far, the kids in that SUV were little thugs. Honestly I hope some evidence comes out that allows us to determine for sure.

You already determined they are thugs because they are black, so its not like evidence would change your mind on it anyway.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Again......... Do you really think that the type of teenage thug who would brandish a gun at an innocent man is going to just leave it on the dashboard??? No way.

Guarantee that the gun was disposed of within a minute after the shooting.


Again, let's wait for the evidence before lynch mobbing this guy.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

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You already determined they are thugs because they are black, so its not like evidence would change your mind on it anyway.

Stop insinuating that black kids are thugs. Disgusting. This is not about skin color, not this situation nor the "thug" issue.

 

[SheHateMe]

Me, personally? For the most part, no, although I will bring it up when appropriate.

As I said before, Dunn was an idiot. Dumber than zimmerman, for doing what he did. But the bottom line is that asking (telling, whatever) some kids to turn down their music is perfectly legal.

And in response, telling him to fuck off, turning it louder, etc is also legal.


The line was crossed when they brandished a gun at the guy and/or threatened his life. Based on what we know right now, that is what happened. Until I see proof otherwise, Dunn is an innocent man. A stupid man for sure, but an innocent one.

So how did they brandish a gun they didn't have, genius? There were NO guns found in the vehicle. Dunn fled the scene when he murdered a kid and didn't call the police...now he claims he had a gun flashed at him. If this was true, why didn't he call the cops when the shooting happened to explain the incident? Why did he flee?

Guilty behavior..

Again......... Do you really think that the type of teenage thug who would brandish a gun at an innocent man is going to just leave it on the dashboard??? No way.

Guarantee that the gun was disposed of within a minute after the shooting.


Again, let's wait for the evidence before lynch mobbing this guy.

Right, because Dunn just shot at the homies, killed one and the only thing everyone thought to do was toss the gun?

lmao

 

[SpatiallyAware]

So how did they brandish a gun they didn't have, genius? There were NO guns found in the vehicle. Dunn fled the scene when he murdered a kid and didn't call the police...now he claims he had a gun flashed at him. If this was true, why didn't he call the cops when the shooting happened to explain the incident? Why did he flee?

Guilty behavior..

Guilty behaviour doesn't make a guilty man.

Yet again, clearly Dunn is an idiot. That doesn't mean he's guilty. How about we wait for more facts/evidence rather than trying to do another trayvon/zimmerman crumponite crew lynch mob?


Regarding the gun... Again.. It takes the police at LEAST a few minutes to show up. Just because there was no gun found in the car doesn't mean there wasn't a gun at all.

 

[They Live]

Based on what we currently know:

Hoodie in deep cover attempting to conceal ID

Seen by eyewitness with gun

= Thug.


As soon as some evidence comes out showing these to be honor roll kids I'll change my stance.

There's no evidence any of these kids were wearing hoodies at all, unless you are suggesting the picture in the OP is what the dead kid was wearing the night he was killed. If it is, then way he's wearing it in the picture is hardly "deep cover".

And the witness with the gun is being charged with murder, so he has every incentive to lie. Not saying he is, but it's certainly very possible.

So based on pretty much nothing, you've slammed the dead kids and his friends, while giving 100% benefit of the doubt to the shooter. It's one thing to believe in innocent until proven guilty, and there's another thing to slam the dead kid and his friends based on nothing but the shooters account.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

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Right, because Dunn just shot at the homies, killed one and the only thing everyone thought to do was toss the gun?

lmao

In reply to your edit, yeah that was probably the very first thing they thought of.


It's amazing that it's more logical to you that a middle aged businessman on vacation walked up to an suv while his wife was in the gas station and decided to randomly start shooting people.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

There no evidence any of these kids were wearing hoodies at all, unless you are suggesting the picture in the OP is what the dead kid was wearing the night he was killed. If it is, then way he's wearing it in the picture is hardly "deep cover".

And the witness with the gun is being charged with murder, so he has every incentive to lie. Not saying he is, but it's certainly very possible.

So based on pretty much nothing, you've slammed the dead kids and his friends, while giving 100% benefit of the doubt to the shooter. It's one thing to believe in innocent until proven guilty, and there's another thing to slam the dead kid and his friends based on nothing but the shooters account.

Meanwhile you and others are full ready to lock this guy up for life. Few of you care about upholding justice or due process, only about jumping to wild emotional conclusions.

Sucks that I have to come in and rain on your parade, but that's what it is.

 

[They Live]

Meanwhile you and others are full ready to lock this guy up for life. Few of you care about upholding justice or due process, only about jumping to wild emotional conclusions.

Sucks that I have to come in and rain on your parade, but that's what it is.

I never said the guy should be locked up for life. Don't put words into my mouth.

You are basically no different than those who do claim he guilty of murder, without waiting for all the evidence to surface. You have deemed these kids thugs based on a shooters account. Strictly on that, nothing more.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I never said the guy should be locked up for life. Don't put words into my mouth.

You are basically no different than those who do claim he guilty of murder, without waiting for all the evidence to surface. You have deemed these kids thugs based on a shooters account. Strictly on that, nothing more.

Right now that is the only account we have.

If more evidence comes out to show otherwise then I will fully support it.

Until then, all evidence shows that it was an SUV full of thugs blasting loud music who got their feelings hurt over being asked to turn it down and threatened to kill an innocent man.

 

[SheHateMe]

Guilty behaviour doesn't make a guilty man.

Yet again, clearly Dunn is an idiot. That doesn't mean he's guilty. How about we wait for more facts/evidence rather than trying to do another trayvon/zimmerman crumponite crew lynch mob?


Regarding the gun... Again.. It takes the police at LEAST a few minutes to show up. Just because there was no gun found in the car doesn't mean there wasn't a gun at all.

And just because Dunn said there was a gun doesnt mean we should believe him. You and Spidey are the only two idiots in this thread sticking to your guns (no pun intended) about these "Thugs" actually having a weapon.

How can we trust what Dunn said after he fled the scene of a crime and probably was going to get away with it had there not been CCTV cameras and witnesses that got his license plate.

White is always right!

 

[They Live]

Right now that is the only account we have.

If more evidence comes out to show otherwise then I will fully support it.

Until then, all evidence shows that it was an SUV full of thugs blasting loud music who got their feelings hurt over being asked to turn it down and threatened to kill an innocent man.

"All of the evidence" is strictly one shooters account. Thus far, nothing has been released to the public that corroborates his account. If you want to take someone's word at face value, while also slamming a dead kid and his friends, so be it. You are entitled to do whatever you want.

 

[soundforbjt]

In reply to your edit, yeah that was probably the very first thing they thought of.


It's amazing that it's more logical to you that a middle aged businessman on vacation walked up to an suv while his wife was in the gas station and decided to randomly start shooting people.

Except that's not what happened...The "middle aged businessman" had been not "on vacation", but was at his son's wedding, where he could have consumed alcohol. He then goes to a gas stattion and confronts a group of mostly kids (one legal adult) in a SUV and tells them to turn down their music, the situation escalates, and this guy gets a gun out of his car and then starts shooting. Your scenario has him just walking up and shooting...not even what was implied.