Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[JulesMaximus]

I actually wasn't trying to call you out at all, I was just trying to point out that I doubted you were the sort of person who would be an outright thug who escalated shit.

Sorry it came across as a call out, honestly wasn't.

Look at how many posts I've accrued in my short time here, I have no room to talk.

No problem.

I'm not the sort of person who escalates shit generally. I'm not an internet nerd shut-in though either. :biggrin:

 

[spidey07]

So, yall are ready to chastise and condemn the black lady in Texas for shooting the unarmed white guy yet?

Or is that "different"

Do y'all know about disparity of force?

It's real simple folks. don't threaten another's life and you won't get shot. Once you do, you may get dead.

 

[Geosurface]

Here's some food for thought, if the music was anywhere as loud as he's probably trying to claim it was. He had to either yell at the top of his lungs or literally walk right up the window, where he would still have to raise his voice considerably to be heard. Where I come from a loud voice is viewed as a sign of aggression. I'd bet money they either totally ignored him or told him to fuck off. He didn't approach them to nicely ask, he was upset that he was being forced to be subjected to rap music for a whopping 120 seconds.

And if he was able to be heard over the music, then it really wasn't that loud and he was simply being a dick because he hates rap music.

Just tell me this, at the moment he got that gun out and shot, how do you envision that? I know it's just speculation but...

Do you honestly envision that he just calmly was like "fuck it, gonna blast these kids" ??

See I just find that very hard to imagine.

Do you envision him as calm at that moment? Because it's much easier for me to imagine him scared shitless (whether based on any good reason or not)

 

[Capt Caveman]

Just tell me this, at the moment he got that gun out and shot, how do you envision that? I know it's just speculation but...

Do you honestly envision that he just calmly was like "fuck it, gonna blast these kids" ??

See I just find that very hard to imagine.

Do you envision him as calm at that moment? Because it's much easier for me to imagine him scared shitless (whether based on any good reason or not)

More than likely intoxicated coming back from his son's wedding, had beer muscles and was going to show these thugs a lesson after they told him off when he told them to turn down their crap music.

He quickly fled and slept it off at the hotel and then the next day took off for home. Not calling the police at all during this time. Thankfully the police were waiting for him.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Just tell me this, at the moment he got that gun out and shot, how do you envision that? I know it's just speculation but...

Do you honestly envision that he just calmly was like "fuck it, gonna blast these kids" ??

See I just find that very hard to imagine.

Do you envision him as calm at that moment? Because it's much easier for me to imagine him scared shitless (whether based on any good reason or not)

All of what you state is hypothetical. Fact is he initiated this confrontation and he didn't have to. It was completely avoidable. He didn't prevent a crime, he wasn't protecting anyone, his actions were what escalated this into a shooting situation and he should have used better judgement. Those are the facts.

 

[debian0001]

White trash scum bag.

 

[QueBert]

Just tell me this, at the moment he got that gun out and shot, how do you envision that? I know it's just speculation but...

Do you honestly envision that he just calmly was like "fuck it, gonna blast these kids" ??

See I just find that very hard to imagine.

Do you envision him as calm at that moment? Because it's much easier for me to imagine him scared shitless (whether based on any good reason or not)

At this point there's zero evidence they did anything to warrant this, hell we don't even know for certain that the music was "loud" When someone shoots a person then runs home before calling the cops - sorry but I'm not going to believe any story they tell about the events that went down. Running from a crime scene makes me think he needed to get home so he could come up with a believable story why the shooting was justifiable.

I'm not implying he approached them with the intent to shoot, but I wouldn't find it hard to believe he approached them ready to react by shooting if he felt it need be. And if he's anything as paranoid about black people as someone like Spidey or half the people on P&N it would have took nothing more than a frown for him to shit himself and start blasting. 9 shots doesn't strike me as someone I'd consider a fit CCW holder

*shrug*

There are only 2 FACTS here, 1. a guy shot someone and 2. that someone died. I don't base my opinions on speculations and theories. And no the story of the shooter doesn't work for me. That's the last person I'd expect to be honest in a situation like this.

 

[Geosurface]

More than likely intoxicated coming back from his son's wedding, had beer muscles and was going to show these thugs a lesson after they told him off when he told them to turn down their crap music.

He quickly fled and slept it off at the hotel and then the next day took off for home. Not calling the police at all during this time. Thankfully the police were waiting for him.

Maybe.

I just personally find it hard to believe that he'd put his future on the line and risk killing multiple strangers and never having freedom again over some music. In a place he probably would have every reasonable expectation there were tons of security cameras.

I find it very, very hard to believe.

Some teenage males overreacting and trying to act hard and intimidate someone who'd stepped to them, and thus triggering a man's irrational (or rational) fear inadvertently getting themselves shot? Now that, I find MUCH easier to believe.

 

[umbrella39]

By his account it looks like a good shoot. Verbal threats plus thinking he saw weapon means ok to shoot.

No, it doesn't. This isn't Zimmerman here who can claim anything he wants because the only other eye witness if belly up. There were actually witnesses in this case and it will be up to someone other than us to decide who is believable and who is lying.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Maybe.

I just personally find it hard to believe that he'd put his future on the line and risk killing multiple strangers and never having freedom again over some music. In a place he probably would have every reasonable expectation there were tons of security cameras.

I find it very, very hard to believe.

Some teenage males overreacting and trying to act hard and intimidate someone who'd stepped to them, and thus triggering a man's irrational (or rational) fear inadvertently getting themselves shot? Now that, I find MUCH easier to believe.

Yes, b/c when someone's intoxicated they're thinking about all of those things. And of course you think that way, black kid in a hoodie is thug and a threat. We know what you think of blacks in your eugenics rants.

The friggin idiot shot 8-9 times into the vehicle with four people in it and he didn't think he hit anybody. You can't make this shit up.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/...killing-17-year-old-Jordan-Davis-He-saw-a-gun

"He didn't think he had harmed anybody and he just thought he had scared them off and he wanted to report it, but he didn't want to go in a sense, throw himself to the wolves in a strange city without representation," Lemonidis said.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Maybe.

I just personally find it hard to believe that he'd put his future on the line and risk killing multiple strangers and never having freedom again over some music. In a place he probably would have every reasonable expectation there were tons of security cameras.

I find it very, very hard to believe.

Some teenage males overreacting and trying to act hard and intimidate someone who'd stepped to them, and thus triggering a man's irrational (or rational) fear inadvertently getting themselves shot? Now that, I find MUCH easier to believe.

Well, the trouble with alcohol is that it impairs your judgement. Of course, we don't know for sure that alcohol may have been a factor but EVERY wedding I've been to, and I've been to many, including my own, has had plenty of alcohol served and if he knew he would be drinking he should have left the gun at home. Who the fuck brings a gun to a wedding anyway? Does this guy think he's James Bond? :hmm:

Of course, this is in addition to the reasons I stated above as to why he should never have gotten himself into this situation to begin with.

 

[Geosurface]

Well I've never been drunk so that may be part of why it's harder for me to imagine.

Still, I know drunken people do stupid shit (big part of why I don't drink) but I dunno... maybe I'm just a horrible person, a racist or whatever... but to me it's just very very easy to imagine this car load of rap blasting kids doing something stupid.

 

[QueBert]

Well I've never been drunk so that may be part of why it's harder for me to imagine.

Still, I know drunken people do stupid shit (big part of why I don't drink) but I dunno... maybe I'm just a horrible person, a racist or whatever... but to me it's just very very easy to imagine this car load of rap blasting kids doing something stupid.

Can you imagine after him shooting 9 times him honestly believing he hadn't hit anyone? His level of irresponsibility with that statement , he should at worst lose his CCW forever. We don't need people like this walking around carrying a gun.

 

[Geosurface]

Can you imagine after him shooting 9 times him honestly believing he hadn't hit anyone? His level of irresponsibility with that statement , he should at worst lose his CCW forever. We don't need people like this walking around carrying a gun.

*Shrug* Maybe so. I think it was probably a completely crazy situation.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Well I've never been drunk so that may be part of why it's harder for me to imagine.

Still, I know drunken people do stupid shit (big part of why I don't drink) but I dunno... maybe I'm just a horrible person, a racist or whatever... but to me it's just very very easy to imagine this car load of rap blasting kids doing something stupid.

Maybe you should smoke a doob and mellow out a little. Maybe listen to a little Ice Cube, Dr Dre or Snoop Dogg.

BTW-I don't do drugs.

 

[umbrella39]

Explanation. I was still so shook up after the assault on my person I didn't know what to do.

Didn't know what to do except the part about pulling out a gun a shooting one of them dead already.

I thought I was going to be killed or they would come after me.

Curious... so now ever after seeing one of their friends killed... the shooter is still the one who should be scared and should be in fear of being killed. Interesting...

So scared that NOW he has flee the scene. Couldn't have just left the scene until the fear of killing someone gave him that extra little push your honor...

Thinking he'd better not hire you as his defense lawyer...

 

[JulesMaximus]

If I were a bettin' man, and I am, I'd bet money this guy is going away for a long time.

 

[Geosurface]

If I were a bettin' man, and I am, I'd bet money this guy is going away for a long time.

Same.

Regardless of what really happened.

 

[DesiPower]

Did what?

Kill someone who's playing loud music...

 

[SheHateMe]

I'm sure Spidey and company can find some way to justify this murder.

 

[Eos]

"Oh shit. Here I am walking along and there's a puddle in the middle of the sidewalk. Balls, I'm headed straight for it."
*walks through puddle*
"Now look what you made me do, puddle. There was simply no way to avoid getting wet. None at all."
"I can't be the one who backs down from a puddle. Not me!"

 

[Geosurface]

"Oh shit. Here I am walking along and there's a puddle in the middle of the sidewalk. Balls, I'm headed straight for it."
*walks through puddle*
"Now look what you made me do, puddle. There was simply no way to avoid getting wet. None at all."
"I can't be the one who backs down from a puddle. Not me!"

While a good argument can be made in favor of dealing with the loud music til you get your gas and just getting out of there (which is what I'd have done) your analogy isn't quite right.

See, the EXPECTED result of walking into a puddle is getting wet. The expected result of telling some kids to turn down their music is not to have your life threatened. At least, it has not traditionally been. It has traditionally been, back when kids had respect for adults... to be heeded. More recently, it was to be mocked and ignored. Being threatened with death, as this man describes, is a new frontier in adult/teen interactions.

By no means am I certain that what he claims happened actually did, but I do strongly suspect something happened to make him shoot that gun, other than just whim and other than just not being heeded, or being mocked.

I could be wrong, but I find it hard to believe this man would flush his life down the toilet and attempt to take the lives of strangers because they wouldn't turn their music down. I don't buy it.

 

[Eos]

While a good argument can be made in favor of dealing with the loud music til you get your gas and just getting out of there (which is what I'd have done) your analogy isn't quite right.

See, the EXPECTED result of walking into a puddle is getting wet. The expected result of telling some kids to turn down their music is not to have your life threatened. At least, it has not traditionally been. It has traditionally been, back when kids had respect for adults... to be heeded. More recently, it was to be mocked and ignored. Being threatened with death, as this man describes, is a new frontier in adult/teen interactions.

By no means am I certain that what he claims happened actually did, but I do strongly suspect something happened to make him shoot that gun, other than just whim and other than just not being heeded, or being mocked.

I could be wrong, but I find it hard to believe this man would flush his life down the toilet and attempt to take the lives of strangers because they wouldn't turn their music down. I don't buy it.

"Walk away. Just walk away."

 

[SpatiallyAware]

While a good argument can be made in favor of dealing with the loud music til you get your gas and just getting out of there (which is what I'd have done) your analogy isn't quite right.

See, the EXPECTED result of walking into a puddle is getting wet. The expected result of telling some kids to turn down their music is not to have your life threatened. At least, it has not traditionally been. It has traditionally been, back when kids had respect for adults... to be heeded. More recently, it was to be mocked and ignored. Being threatened with death, as this man describes, is a new frontier in adult/teen interactions.

By no means am I certain that what he claims happened actually did, but I do strongly suspect something happened to make him shoot that gun, other than just whim and other than just not being heeded, or being mocked.

I could be wrong, but I find it hard to believe this man would flush his life down the toilet and attempt to take the lives of strangers because they wouldn't turn their music down. I don't buy it.

Geo you're arguing with the same people who feel as though someone who is being assaulted by a criminal/thug/whatever should not fight back or defend themselves unless they are beaten to an "appropriate" point.

These are people who have absolutely no grasp on how the world actually works, or how "real" criminals function. They likely still live with their parents, have never had an actual confrontation or encounter past arguing with their hipster friends on weeknights, and simply are unable to comprehend the concept that you're trying to explain.


Again, to the others:

Telling someone to turn down the damn music: Perhaps not smart, but not illegal

Threatening someone's life: Illegal, justifies use of deadly force.

 

[Capt Caveman]

"Walk away. Just walk away."

He won't. He joined this forum to make over a thousand posts in the Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman thread in P&N. And he will obsess in this thread b/c another innocent man is being charged with killing a black thug in a hoodie. I look forward to his voice analysis, offensive cartoons and other deranged posts in this thread.

Then you'll have others that will just make-up stuff to denounce these thugs and others that know the law better than criminal attorneys.