Tea-Party activist good or bad for the GOP?

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: bamacre
When I see people like Lindsey Graham get their asses handed to them by Republicans, it isn't a bad thing.

It's an embarrassment to the state that Senator Graham is pilloried for daring to put principle and country ahead of Party dogma, while South Carolinians celebrate the likes of Senator DeMint and Representative Wilson.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Seems like nobody can seem to answer the question: whose problem is it? And how was it that the GOP managed to pass the following with much smaller majorities?

- Iraq war resolution
- Patriot act
- Telecom immunity
- Medicare part D
etc., etc.
-

The answer is quite simple: The Democrats aren't obstructionist tools (check out how many Democrats voted for each of those bills you cited (hint: the answer isn't 0 or 1 or 10); almost all Republicans apparently are.

As to "whose problem it is:" It's the problem of ALL of us who view the purpose of government as actually working to solve problems rather than merely trying to scoring political points against the other side.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: alchemize
Seems like nobody can seem to answer the question: whose problem is it? And how was it that the GOP managed to pass the following with much smaller majorities?

- Iraq war resolution
- Patriot act
- Telecom immunity
- Medicare part D
etc., etc.
-

The answer is quite simple: The Democrats aren't obstructionist tools (check out how many Democrats voted for each of those bills you cited (hint: the answer isn't 0 or 1 or 10); almost all Republicans apparently are.

As to "whose problem it is:" It's the problem of ALL of us who view the purpose of government as actually working to solve problems rather than merely trying to scoring political points against the other side.

So, it's not the democrat party's problem it can't deliver on any of it's promises with a super-majority and the presidency, it's the GOP's fault, and all of our problem. Gotchya.


I don't totally disagree with you that the purpose of representative government is to work to solve OUR problems, I just think that both parties are complete failures at it.

 

[Arkaign]

Thank you for supporting the GOP, the pro-rape party! :thumbsup:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: bamacre
When I see people like Lindsey Graham get their asses handed to them by Republicans, it isn't a bad thing.

It's an embarrassment to the state that Senator Graham is pilloried for daring to put principle and country ahead of Party dogma, while South Carolinians celebrate the likes of Senator DeMint and Representative Wilson.

:laugh: You used "Senator Graham" and "principle" in the same sentence. :laugh:

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: bamacre
When I see people like Lindsey Graham get their asses handed to them by Republicans, it isn't a bad thing.

It's an embarrassment to the state that Senator Graham is pilloried for daring to put principle and country ahead of Party dogma, while South Carolinians celebrate the likes of Senator DeMint and Representative Wilson.

:laugh: You used "Senator Graham" and "principle" in the same sentence. :laugh:

I can even use "CADsortaGUY" and "principle" in the same sentence. Unlike "Senator Graham", however, "CsG" requires an emphatic negative.

 

[sportage]

Tea Party?
Why don't they just call them what they were called back in the 1950's?
Klan Rallies.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: sportage
Tea Party?
Why don't they just call them what they were called back in the 1950's?
Klan Rallies.

Aww come on now. They were just as mad at Bush when he was going crazy with spending and giving tax cuts to rich people. They just expressed it differently. By reelecting him.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

If the Tea Party Activists don't kill the Republicans then they'll just makes them...dumber.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

I don't know why any of you Democrats and liberals are upset at Rush Limbaugh, the Tea Party Activists, and even the GOP as a whole right now. They are doing everything in their power to remain completely irrelevant.

The Southern Strategy is dead. You simply cannot win elections anymore like that due to the rapidly changing demographics in key swing states. The Republicans will see this sooner or later, most likely later. I expect them to wander in the wilderness for some time though.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: bamacre
When I see people like Lindsey Graham get their asses handed to them by Republicans, it isn't a bad thing.

It's an embarrassment to the state that Senator Graham is pilloried for daring to put principle and country ahead of Party dogma, while South Carolinians celebrate the likes of Senator DeMint and Representative Wilson.

:laugh: You used "Senator Graham" and "principle" in the same sentence. :laugh:

I can even use "CADsortaGUY" and "principle" in the same sentence. Unlike "Senator Graham", however, "CsG" requires an emphatic negative.

Wait, but you just used CADsortaGUY and principle in the same sentence, without an emphatic negative.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: sportage
Tea Party?
Why don't they just call them what they were called back in the 1950's?
Klan Rallies.

:disgust:

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: sportage
Tea Party?
Why don't they just call them what they were called back in the 1950's?
Klan Rallies.

Oh please keep calling people who disagree racists. Please keep it up. It's pushing independants over to the repubs so fast it's making dems heads spin.

Please keep it up. It's working.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Whitey07

Originally posted by: sportage
Tea Party?
Why don't they just call them what they were called back in the 1950's?
Klan Rallies.

Oh please keep calling people who disagree racists. Please keep it up. It's pushing independants over to the repubs so fast it's making dems heads spin.

Please keep it up. It's working.

Well it might push them away but not towards the Republicans .

 

[Lemon law]

I have lost the link but the gist of was, some of the tea bagger crazies are thinking about running their own slate of candidates in 2010.
which could dangerously split the GOP coming into a pivotal election.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sportage
Tea Party?
Why don't they just call them what they were called back in the 1950's?
Klan Rallies.

Oh please keep calling people who disagree racists. Please keep it up. It's pushing independants over to the repubs so fast it's making dems heads spin.

Please keep it up. It's working.

It's working alright. Keep telling yourself that Mr. Duke.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Ausm

Hey your forgot to add this...

As the Republican's are at stalling .obstructing, fear mongering,race baiting, homophobic,bible thumpers,spreading deception and saying NO to anything that will not help them remotely politically

And yet, at the end of the day, super majority + president = that doesn't mean shit.


edit: But once again, thanks for proving my point :laugh:

You're a little confused: It's Republicans that all think alike. That all act alike. That all subscribe to the same political philosophy that can be stated in one line:

"Cut taxes; outlaw abortions; block same-sex marriages; drill, baby, drill; let the rich be rich."

Republicans are all marionettes on strings. Put 60 Republicans in the Senate and every bill will get 60 Republican votes.

Democrats actually think for themselves. They all have different beliefs. They're not all clones of each other. Fashioning a bill that will attract 60 Democrat votes is an almost impossible feet.

Um, no. It's really all about blue-dog democrats, who basically are closer to republicans on most issues. The rest of the dems are no different than republicans, different side of the coin, vote in lock-step.

But whatever helps you lay your little partisan head to rest on the pillow :thumbsup:

But I ask again - whose problem is that?

Let's assume for the moment you're correct. Gee, that means you've just contradicted your previous post: According to this NEW post of yours, there are a sizable number of dems who don't automatically vote the party line. So, "super majority + President" DOES mean sh!t.

Which means that that sh!t to which you referred was either in your last post or this one. Your choice.

Hahahaha. You righties are such dummies.

Seems like nobody can seem to answer the question: whose problem is it? And how was it that the GOP managed to pass the following with much smaller majorities?

- Iraq war resolution
- Patriot act
- Telecom immunity
- Medicare part D
etc., etc.
-

Either you are fucking retarded or you ar trying to use this even though you KNOW that it was driven through in a time where no information except "need for the people" bullsheit was spewed.

1. Iraq war, NO information given to the US congress nor the UN was correct, not one single fucking line and this was known.
2. Patriot act "omg the sky is falling" bullsheit in the wake of 9/11, to NOT introduce such legislation would be good, to call anyone against the "patriot" act unpatriotic was the obvious thing.


Truth is, things were instituted because it could be instituted at the time, using words like patriotic and imminent threat was the deal to push through anything what so ever, leaving the reports as one page reprots of opinions was the key to get everyone aboard.

NO ONE can argue today that Iraq was not bullsheit war that took away the chance of winning in Afghanistan. I mean, just the fact that the war actually made Muslim terrorism bigger than Hindu terrorism in a fucking week should tell you something about how fucked up this is.

I hope GB removes every single force from both areas, there is nothing to be won, the US and the UK fucked it up when we let the Taliban spread as we were moving people (like my team) to Iraq.

For some reason, i don't know why, i think you know better than to use these kinds of idiotic examples. In fact, i don't think you're even a partisan politician at heart but you still try to come off that way even when you know better..

Self hate? Paging moonbeam.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: sportage
Tea Party?
Why don't they just call them what they were called back in the 1950's?
Klan Rallies.

Oh please keep calling people who disagree racists. Please keep it up. It's pushing independants over to the repubs so fast it's making dems heads spin.

Please keep it up. It's working.

A lot of those who go to the protests do so because they are uneducated racist hicks.

They complain about Czars without knowing what they do and that it's just following a tradition, they complain about everything without ANY knowledge.

I suppose there are a lot of people in the world that are fucked in the skull so bad that they don't even know what they are protesting against or for.

These people need broadband access and a tutorial on using google.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: alchemize
Seems like nobody can seem to answer the question: whose problem is it? And how was it that the GOP managed to pass the following with much smaller majorities?

- Iraq war resolution
- Patriot act
- Telecom immunity
- Medicare part D
etc., etc.

Either you are fucking retarded or you ar trying to use this even though you KNOW that it was driven through in a time where no information except "need for the people" bullsheit was spewed.

Socialism is more difficult to pass than socialism-lite. Small steps in the wrong direction are easier than bigger steps. Don't worry though, Dems are trying the Rep strategy with the "healthcare crisis".

 

[Vic]

Generally speaking, the party catering to its extremists is the one losing elections at that time.

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: spidey07
It could help them a great deal if it means candidates come forward with true conservative views and track records.

Sadly that's not really what the tea party nutjobs are after; I don't remember anyone protesting 800B war in middle east... You can't preach about fiscal conservatism and also support random expeditions to other countries.

I would guess that those people are the right wing proletariat - generally less educated, lower income and more religious. The kind of folk that thinks that gov't should be small and out of their life (i.e. no smoking bans), but at the same time get swayed by populist measures (tax oil companies, give UAW equity in bankruptcy etc. etc. )

It's never too late to start protesting something you strongly disagree with. Maybe you've heard of the phrase, "the last straw"? I'm pretty sure the collapse of the economy was the proverbial "straw" in this case.

It's sad that it took some people this long to wake up, but I'm very happy to see them finally doing so.

I'm not "right wing," and I voted for Obama, but I'm still very angry about the out-of-control spending habits we've been witnessing in Washington -- that includes the Iraq war debacle and many other things Bush wasted money on as well.

:thumbsup: for those who are fighting for fiscal responsibility on all fronts and regardless of petty partisan politics!

+++

I have to agree with this. The whole damn system is corrupted, the whole system is bought and paid for, and we keep pumping money in so it can be skimmed by the same people who do it again and again. When are we going to wake up, and take money out of politics? I'm not so naive to believe there will never be bribery, graft, back room deals, etc., but Jesus Christ, bribery is absolutely legal in our political system! It's called lobbying! Does that not seem wrong to anyone but me?!

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: spidey07
It could help them a great deal if it means candidates come forward with true conservative views and track records.

Sadly that's not really what the tea party nutjobs are after; I don't remember anyone protesting 800B war in middle east... You can't preach about fiscal conservatism and also support random expeditions to other countries.

I would guess that those people are the right wing proletariat - generally less educated, lower income and more religious. The kind of folk that thinks that gov't should be small and out of their life (i.e. no smoking bans), but at the same time get swayed by populist measures (tax oil companies, give UAW equity in bankruptcy etc. etc. )

It's never too late to start protesting something you strongly disagree with. Maybe you've heard of the phrase, "the last straw"? I'm pretty sure the collapse of the economy was the proverbial "straw" in this case.

It's sad that it took some people this long to wake up, but I'm very happy to see them finally doing so.

I'm not "right wing," and I voted for Obama, but I'm still very angry about the out-of-control spending habits we've been witnessing in Washington -- that includes the Iraq war debacle and many other things Bush wasted money on as well.

:thumbsup: for those who are fighting for fiscal responsibility on all fronts and regardless of petty partisan politics!

+++

I have to agree with this. The whole damn system is corrupted, the whole system is bought and paid for, and we keep pumping money in so it can be skimmed by the same people who do it again and again. When are we going to wake up, and take money out of politics? I'm not so naive to believe there will never be bribery, graft, back room deals, etc., but Jesus Christ, bribery is absolutely legal in our political system! It's called lobbying! Does that not seem wrong to anyone but me?!

It probably seems wrong to most of the citizens in America. Unfortunately, the only ones who could ever do anything about it are the same jokers on the receiving end of all the money. It's the same with Congressional term limits. There's no chance in hell that those who benefit the most from such malpractice will vote, en mass, to stop it.

It would take a real revolution...

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

It probably seems wrong to most of the citizens in America. Unfortunately, the only ones who could ever do anything about it are the same jokers on the receiving end of all the money. It's the same with Congressional term limits. There's no chance in hell that those who benefit the most from such malpractice will vote, en mass, to stop it.

It would take a real revolution...

We don't need congress to impose term limits. We (the states and it's people) can amend the Constitution without them.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Ausm
First the GOP embraces these nutjobs to shore up their base and now they have to figure out a way to distance themselves from them. I could see this coming during the last Presidential election with the McCain/Palin smear campaign.

http://online.wsj.com/article/...tml?mod=googlenews_wsj

Short term: great for the GOP
Long term: Makes the GOP look like wingnuts.

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

It probably seems wrong to most of the citizens in America. Unfortunately, the only ones who could ever do anything about it are the same jokers on the receiving end of all the money. It's the same with Congressional term limits. There's no chance in hell that those who benefit the most from such malpractice will vote, en mass, to stop it.

It would take a real revolution...

We don't need congress to impose term limits. We (the states and it's people) can amend the Constitution without them.

Have you considered the negative implications of imposing term limits?

As for the "Tea Party" movement....take the kettle off the stove before it boils over.