Tea-Party activist good or bad for the GOP?

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Carmen813

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

It probably seems wrong to most of the citizens in America. Unfortunately, the only ones who could ever do anything about it are the same jokers on the receiving end of all the money. It's the same with Congressional term limits. There's no chance in hell that those who benefit the most from such malpractice will vote, en mass, to stop it.

It would take a real revolution...

We don't need congress to impose term limits. We (the states and it's people) can amend the Constitution without them.

Have you considered the negative implications of imposing term limits?

Yes. I tend to go back and forth over the issue landing more on the pros to limits outweigh the cons. Some kind of formal mentoring system could be put in place for the folks people really want to stay but they would have no power, just act as a consultant for the replacement (and this mentor doesn't go to washington).

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Whitey07

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

It probably seems wrong to most of the citizens in America. Unfortunately, the only ones who could ever do anything about it are the same jokers on the receiving end of all the money. It's the same with Congressional term limits. There's no chance in hell that those who benefit the most from such malpractice will vote, en mass, to stop it.

It would take a real revolution...

We don't need congress to impose term limits. We (the states and it's people) can amend the Constitution without them.

Is this your solution?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Whitey07

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

It probably seems wrong to most of the citizens in America. Unfortunately, the only ones who could ever do anything about it are the same jokers on the receiving end of all the money. It's the same with Congressional term limits. There's no chance in hell that those who benefit the most from such malpractice will vote, en mass, to stop it.

It would take a real revolution...

We don't need congress to impose term limits. We (the states and it's people) can amend the Constitution without them.

Is this your solution?

No silly. The states can call a constitutional convention, propose and ratify an amendment without congress whatsoever. There has only been one amendment not proposed by congress I believe, repealing the 18th. The states always have to ratify.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: alchemize
Seems like nobody can seem to answer the question: whose problem is it? And how was it that the GOP managed to pass the following with much smaller majorities?

- Iraq war resolution
- Patriot act
- Telecom immunity
- Medicare part D
etc., etc.
-

The answer is quite simple: The Democrats aren't obstructionist tools (check out how many Democrats voted for each of those bills you cited (hint: the answer isn't 0 or 1 or 10); almost all Republicans apparently are.

haha revisionist history 101. remember any and all judge appointees? Obstructionists yep!
Dems voted for those too so they wouldn't look weak on defense / anti terror.

 

[Carmen813]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Carmen813

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

It probably seems wrong to most of the citizens in America. Unfortunately, the only ones who could ever do anything about it are the same jokers on the receiving end of all the money. It's the same with Congressional term limits. There's no chance in hell that those who benefit the most from such malpractice will vote, en mass, to stop it.

It would take a real revolution...

We don't need congress to impose term limits. We (the states and it's people) can amend the Constitution without them.

Have you considered the negative implications of imposing term limits?

Yes. I tend to go back and forth over the issue landing more on the pros to limits outweigh the cons. Some kind of formal mentoring system could be put in place for the folks people really want to stay but they would have no power, just act as a consultant for the replacement (and this mentor doesn't go to washington).

My main concern is that it would increase lobbyist influence once a person gears near the end of their mandated term. If you are going out anyway, might as well go out in style. For example, we see this right now with last minute presidential pardons. The TV show The West Wing did a good job summarizing my beliefs on it. Imposing a term limit seems to imply that American voters are too stupid to recognize corruption. What we need is an honest media and a more cognitively awake electorate. Sadly, there isn't much the Constitution can do about it.

I think the ultimate failure of the "tea party" movement is that they haven't put forth a coherent position. I do not feel that government is inherently bad, or that local/state government is necessarily better than federal. Tea party people have a lot of emotion, but not a lot of substance. The GOP certainly isn't the answer, they've demonstrated that once in power they will seek to consolidate it just as much as any other party would. I empathize with the frustration and anger the "tea party" movement has, but until they come up with solutions I will continue to view them as a fringe element that is ultimately causing more harm than good. Anger isn't a solution.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: alchemize
Seems like nobody can seem to answer the question: whose problem is it? And how was it that the GOP managed to pass the following with much smaller majorities?

- Iraq war resolution
- Patriot act
- Telecom immunity
- Medicare part D
etc., etc.

Either you are fucking retarded or you ar trying to use this even though you KNOW that it was driven through in a time where no information except "need for the people" bullsheit was spewed.

Socialism is more difficult to pass than socialism-lite. Small steps in the wrong direction are easier than bigger steps. Don't worry though, Dems are trying the Rep strategy with the "healthcare crisis".

Do you even know what socialism IS? It's regulation of a free market and the US is one of the most socialist western nations these days, it has nothing to do with who does what as an actor of the free market and the government CAN play on the free market without it being socialism.

I like how you retarded people use words you don't even know the meaning of.

Besides, what the fuck did this have to do with this thread?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Carmen813

My main concern is that it would increase lobbyist influence once a person gears near the end of their mandated term. If you are going out anyway, might as well go out in style. For example, we see this right now with last minute presidential pardons. The TV show The West Wing did a good job summarizing my beliefs on it. Imposing a term limit seems to imply that American voters are too stupid to recognize corruption. What we need is an honest media and a more cognitively awake electorate. Sadly, there isn't much the Constitution can do about it.

I think the ultimate failure of the "tea party" movement is that they haven't put forth a coherent position. I do not feel that government is inherently bad, or that local/state government is necessarily better than federal. Tea party people have a lot of emotion, but not a lot of substance. The GOP certainly isn't the answer, they've demonstrated that once in power they will seek to consolidate it just as much as any other party would. I empathize with the frustration and anger the "tea party" movement has, but until they come up with solutions I will continue to view them as a fringe element that is ultimately causing more harm than good. Anger isn't a solution.

The going out with style regarding term limits and lobbying is totally valid and probably the biggest con. It's a tough issue because you and I could lobby as well, it's nothing more than trying to present your concerns to representatives/senators and I really don't have a problem with that. That is the people's right, to get the ear of reps/senators, to organize and present your case. What we need to get back to is true representative government and that is one thing the tea party folks want.

I don't consider myself a tea party member, but I'm starting to side with them more and more. Which is why I made mention that if true conservatives come forward and the beliefs/core values are presented there is a ton of support for them.

The attempt to slander and belittle those that believe in The Constitution, the rights of the people, personal property, and representative gubment only makes them stronger. It's like 1994 all over again. The core values of conservatism are being revived and IMHO that's a good thing. Conservatives/libertarians don't like what the republican party is putting forth for nominees, maybe they'll start realizing why.

Rand Paul 2010 for KY Senator. Already over 1 million in contributions.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: spidey07

The attempt to slander and belittle those that believe in The Constitution, the rights of the people, personal property, and representative gubment only makes them stronger. It's like 1994 all over again. The core values of conservatism are being revived and IMHO that's a good thing. Conservatives/libertarians don't like what the republican party is putting forth for nominees, maybe they'll start realizing why.

Rand Paul 2010 for KY Senator. Already over 1 million in contributions.

Yep, Tea Party members and the Minute Men as well. Attempt to marginalize all you wish but it only makes more people wake up to the reality that these people want to protect the Constitution and this Country.

 

[jman19]

The tea parties just gives the nutters more attention, IMO. Bad for the GOP.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yep, Tea Party members and the Minute Men as well. Attempt to marginalize all you wish but it only makes more people wake up to the reality that these people want to protect the Constitution and this Country.

Select portions of the Constitution, and only those parts of the Country that echo their own beliefs.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: spidey07

The attempt to slander and belittle those that believe in The Constitution, the rights of the people, personal property, and representative gubment only makes them stronger. It's like 1994 all over again. The core values of conservatism are being revived and IMHO that's a good thing. Conservatives/libertarians don't like what the republican party is putting forth for nominees, maybe they'll start realizing why.

Rand Paul 2010 for KY Senator. Already over 1 million in contributions.

Yep, Tea Party members and the Minute Men as well. Attempt to marginalize all you wish but it only makes more people wake up to the reality that these people want to protect the Constitution and this Country.

Pretty much. Keep calling those that want to preserve and protect this country racists, looneys, etc will only make us stronger. It is our call to action, as dear leader called his appeasement/apology tour getting a pat on the back and nobel prize. It's our call to action.

And thankfully people are hearing the call.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yep, Tea Party members and the Minute Men as well. Attempt to marginalize all you wish but it only makes more people wake up to the reality that these people want to protect the Constitution and this Country.

Select portions of the Constitution, and only those parts of the Country that echo their own beliefs.

Don't tread on me fucker. Don't tread on me.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yep, Tea Party members and the Minute Men as well. Attempt to marginalize all you wish but it only makes more people wake up to the reality that these people want to protect the Constitution and this Country.

Select portions of the Constitution, and only those parts of the Country that echo their own beliefs.

Don't tread on me fucker. Don't tread on me.

Get a life.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yep, Tea Party members and the Minute Men as well. Attempt to marginalize all you wish but it only makes more people wake up to the reality that these people want to protect the Constitution and this Country.

Select portions of the Constitution, and only those parts of the Country that echo their own beliefs.

Don't tread on me fucker. Don't tread on me.

I'm shivering in fear at the thought of facing your wrath. Honestly, I am.

I swear, it only looks like I'm laughing...

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yep, Tea Party members and the Minute Men as well. Attempt to marginalize all you wish but it only makes more people wake up to the reality that these people want to protect the Constitution and this Country.

Select portions of the Constitution, and only those parts of the Country that echo their own beliefs.

Don't tread on me fucker. Don't tread on me.

I'm shivering in fear at the thought of facing your wrath. Honestly, I am.

I swear, it only looks like I'm laughing...

My post was directed at those that think like you, not directly at you. Sorry for the confusion.

The rest of you piece of shit libtards - don't fucking tread on me.

 

[JKing106]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yep, Tea Party members and the Minute Men as well. Attempt to marginalize all you wish but it only makes more people wake up to the reality that these people want to protect the Constitution and this Country.

Select portions of the Constitution, and only those parts of the Country that echo their own beliefs.

Don't tread on me fucker. Don't tread on me.

I'm shivering in fear at the thought of facing your wrath. Honestly, I am.

I swear, it only looks like I'm laughing...

My post was directed at those that think like you, not directly at you. Sorry for the confusion.

The rest of you piece of shit libtards - don't fucking tread on me.

Or what? You gonna get out your little pop-gun toys?

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yep, Tea Party members and the Minute Men as well. Attempt to marginalize all you wish but it only makes more people wake up to the reality that these people want to protect the Constitution and this Country.

Select portions of the Constitution, and only those parts of the Country that echo their own beliefs.

Don't tread on me fucker. Don't tread on me.

I'm shivering in fear at the thought of facing your wrath. Honestly, I am.
I swear, it only looks like I'm laughing...

My post was directed at those that think like you, not directly at you. Sorry for the confusion.
The rest of you piece of shit libtards - don't fucking tread on me.

"Libtards". How original. How cutting. I am as much in awe of your eloquence as I am intimidated by your inelegant profanity.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: JKing106

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yep, Tea Party members and the Minute Men as well. Attempt to marginalize all you wish but it only makes more people wake up to the reality that these people want to protect the Constitution and this Country.

Select portions of the Constitution, and only those parts of the Country that echo their own beliefs.

Don't tread on me fucker. Don't tread on me.

I'm shivering in fear at the thought of facing your wrath. Honestly, I am.

I swear, it only looks like I'm laughing...

My post was directed at those that think like you, not directly at you. Sorry for the confusion.

The rest of you piece of shit libtards - don't fucking tread on me.

Or what? You gonna get out your little pop-gun toys?

Actually he has gunS.

And that is part of the constitution. And that is OK. Actually He probably wants all parts of the constitution followed. You just follow the lie that they pick and choose. Nothing could be farther than the truth.

The Constitution is not living or breathing. It is a document. To spin it to fit anyones agenda is counter intuitive to what Tea party goers want.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: EXman
Actually he has gunS.
And that is part of the constitution. And that is OK. Actually He probably wants all parts of the constitution followed. You just follow the lie that they pick and choose. Nothing could be farther than the truth.
The Constitution is not living or breathing. It is a document. To spin it to fit anyones agenda is counter intuitive to what Tea party goers want.

Those South Carolinians who proclaim themselves part of the "Tea Party Movement" don't actually seem too familiar with the Constitution, beyond their profound belief that President Obama is somehow violating it.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: EXman
Actually he has gunS.
And that is part of the constitution. And that is OK. Actually He probably wants all parts of the constitution followed. You just follow the lie that they pick and choose. Nothing could be farther than the truth.
The Constitution is not living or breathing. It is a document. To spin it to fit anyones agenda is counter intuitive to what Tea party goers want.

Those South Carolinians who proclaim themselves part of the "Tea Party Movement" don't actually seem too familiar with the Constitution, beyond their profound belief that President Obama is somehow violating it.

Please keep it up. Please. Please keep lumping people who actually believe in The Constitution with birthers, racists, whatever. It only make us stronger because the crazies still vote and you're pushing the independents to our side of liberty. Please keep doing this, I beg you.

It's so perfect. Please keep calling people racist, idiots, etc. Please keep doing it. Please.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: EXman
Actually he has gunS.
And that is part of the constitution. And that is OK. Actually He probably wants all parts of the constitution followed. You just follow the lie that they pick and choose. Nothing could be farther than the truth.
The Constitution is not living or breathing. It is a document. To spin it to fit anyones agenda is counter intuitive to what Tea party goers want.

Those South Carolinians who proclaim themselves part of the "Tea Party Movement" don't actually seem too familiar with the Constitution, beyond their profound belief that President Obama is somehow violating it.

Please keep it up. Please. Please keep lumping people who actually believe in The Constitution with birthers, racists, whatever. It only make us stronger because the crazies still vote and you're pushing the independents to our side of liberty. Please keep doing this, I beg you.

It's so perfect. Please keep calling people racist, idiots, etc. Please keep doing it. Please.

I'm independent. Always will be. Your kind are not getting independents. Independents are mostly progressive and have a brain.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: EXman
Actually he has gunS.
And that is part of the constitution. And that is OK. Actually He probably wants all parts of the constitution followed. You just follow the lie that they pick and choose. Nothing could be farther than the truth.
The Constitution is not living or breathing. It is a document. To spin it to fit anyones agenda is counter intuitive to what Tea party goers want.

Those South Carolinians who proclaim themselves part of the "Tea Party Movement" don't actually seem too familiar with the Constitution, beyond their profound belief that President Obama is somehow violating it.

Please keep it up. Please. Please keep lumping people who actually believe in The Constitution with birthers, racists, whatever. It only make us stronger because the crazies still vote and you're pushing the independents to our side of liberty. Please keep doing this, I beg you.

It's so perfect. Please keep calling people racist, idiots, etc. Please keep doing it. Please.

When you don't have the facts and keep believing the big media lie about regular folks it is easy to see that many Americans still think Lincoln was a Democrat.

I have been to a Tea party And honestly Many were more mad at The republicans for giftwraping the elections by being the Dem Lite party. ? What? huh? Most at the event I was at seemed to be disenfranchised (I hate that term) ex republicans who are now not being represented.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: EXman
Actually he has gunS.
And that is part of the constitution. And that is OK. Actually He probably wants all parts of the constitution followed. You just follow the lie that they pick and choose. Nothing could be farther than the truth.
The Constitution is not living or breathing. It is a document. To spin it to fit anyones agenda is counter intuitive to what Tea party goers want.

Those South Carolinians who proclaim themselves part of the "Tea Party Movement" don't actually seem too familiar with the Constitution, beyond their profound belief that President Obama is somehow violating it.

Please keep it up. Please. Please keep lumping people who actually believe in The Constitution with birthers, racists, whatever. It only make us stronger because the crazies still vote and you're pushing the independents to our side of liberty. Please keep doing this, I beg you.
It's so perfect. Please keep calling people racist, idiots, etc. Please keep doing it. Please.

I don't recall ever referring to any of the "Tea Party" crowd as racists, and I don't think they are idiots. The "Tea Party" crowd here just doesn't seem terribly well informed concerning civics, and most of their thoughts on politics seem to center on what they learn from Glenn Beck.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: spidey07
It could help them a great deal if it means candidates come forward with true conservative views and track records.

Sadly that's not really what the tea party nutjobs are after; I don't remember anyone protesting 800B war in middle east... You can't preach about fiscal conservatism and also support random expeditions to other countries.

I would guess that those people are the right wing proletariat - generally less educated, lower income and more religious. The kind of folk that thinks that gov't should be small and out of their life (i.e. no smoking bans), but at the same time get swayed by populist measures (tax oil companies, give UAW equity in bankruptcy etc. etc. )

More than that, I think the Tea Party folks think the government should be "small and out of their life", emphasis on "THEIR life". I have yet to meet very many people who truly believe in small government when discussing the government doing something which they personally approve of. It's easy to say "small government" when it means you get to keep yer guns, it's a lot harder when the government is stepping aside and letting gay people get married.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: EXman
Actually he has gunS.
And that is part of the constitution. And that is OK. Actually He probably wants all parts of the constitution followed. You just follow the lie that they pick and choose. Nothing could be farther than the truth.
The Constitution is not living or breathing. It is a document. To spin it to fit anyones agenda is counter intuitive to what Tea party goers want.

Those South Carolinians who proclaim themselves part of the "Tea Party Movement" don't actually seem too familiar with the Constitution, beyond their profound belief that President Obama is somehow violating it.

Please keep it up. Please. Please keep lumping people who actually believe in The Constitution with birthers, racists, whatever. It only make us stronger because the crazies still vote and you're pushing the independents to our side of liberty. Please keep doing this, I beg you.

It's so perfect. Please keep calling people racist, idiots, etc. Please keep doing it. Please.

How about calling them hypocrites?

You can't "believe in the Constitution" only when it's convenient, which is exactly what most of those people do.