Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: Kwatt
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Kwatt
60,000,000 Americans die per year due to tobacco use per the American Cancer Society.
I assume if your number is correct that the ACS number is a global number.
ACS Link under "The Cost of Tobacco" One in five Americans extrapolating from ~300,000,000 Americans += ~60,000,000 Americans
Interestingly they claim "47 million adults were current smokers" I guess second hand smoke got the other ~13,000,000.
refer to previous post about "Anyone knows" and "what they likely mean"
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Remind me not to argue anything with you. kthx
Originally posted by: Kwatt
Harvey a question please. Do you believe that 60,000,000 Americans die every year?
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Tobacco Hits America in Its Pocketbook
The effect of tobacco use in America is extraordinary?both in the number of lives that are lost and in financial costs as well. Without a doubt, the number of people who die or suffer illness because of its use best measures the cost of tobacco to society. One in five Americans die each year from tobacco use. The annual American death toll from tobacco is estimated at 438,000.
Tobacco use also drains the U.S. economy of more than $167 billion in health care costs and lost productivity. Health care expenditures caused directly by smoking totaled $75.5 billion in 1998. This translates to $1,623 in excess medical costs per adult smoker in 1999.
For each pack of cigarettes sold in 1999, $3.45 was spent on medical care due to smoking and $3.73 was lost in productivity, for a total cost to society of $7.18 per pack
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Originally posted by: Adam8281
Watching people on this thread accept as plausible the "fact" that 60,000,000 Americans die per from tobacco is an AT memory that will bring joy to me for years to come.
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Adam8281
Watching people on this thread accept as plausible the "fact" that 60,000,000 Americans die per from tobacco is an AT memory that will bring joy to me for years to come.
The children are so easily amused.
See my post above yours. That 60,000,000 stat came from an incorrect reading of the number from the American Cancer Society. I didn't have time, earlier, to check for clarification, which is why I just got to posting the explanation above your post.
Originally posted by: Harvey
In the context of the OP's topic of the tobacco tax bill, the measure is a clear winnner. It provides sorely needed revenue that will be used to provide health insurance for kids, it provides a financial incentive to smokers to quit, those paying the tax are clearly a major cause of the problems at which the revenues and incentives are targeted, and the amount they pay is proportional to their contribution to those problems.
Originally posted by: sactoking
Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
They're financing healthcare for children with the money raised by the tax hike. Good or bad?
Lets follow this to its logical conclusion as outlined by the OP. How are you going to finance health care for children if everyone quits smoking?
If everyone quits smoking, health care costs go down across the board as we will no longer have to subsidize smoking-related illness.
Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Next is beer and alcohol. Then it will be fatty foods like hamburgers and pizza. After a while someone will decide that the internet is bad for your health, a proposition that can easily be reasoned since sitting on your ass and typing/clicking a mouse does nothing to promote your health, so they raise taxes sky high on internet usage.
After all, it's for your own good, people, and clearly the government should be able to tax the crap out of something legal to force you to do what they believe is in your best interests.
Let's slippery slope the other way.
Government lowers taxes on tobacco and alcohol to almost nothing. Supply is through the roof. Kids as young as 10 start smoking and drinking developing emphysema and cerosis of the liver before their twenties. Society is in ruins. But, at least it was in the interest of personal freedoms.
Originally posted by: eleison
My aunt is in the hospital. The doctors think she has stage 4 lung cancer. I say, 'F' it; tax cigs to the max to the point of banning it. If you want to smoke, sorry, tough shiet. If you need to smoke (drug dependency), government should give you patches instead.
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
You know, I was talking to someone today about this tax and it came up that this money will be borrowed against to fund other things. Just like SS was ransacked for other "important" pork barrel BS.
If we end up passing a budget with a 1.2 trillion dollar deficit it's readily apparent that we'll be borrowing against just about anything we can.Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
You know, I was talking to someone today about this tax and it came up that this money will be borrowed against to fund other things. Just like SS was ransacked for other "important" pork barrel BS.
Originally posted by: BladeVenom
This is a tax on the poor by Obama and the democrats. The biggest rates of increase were on small cigars and loose tobacco for rolling cigarettes. Heck they even increased the taxes on cigarette paper.
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
I bought a cartoon of cigs a month ago for $48. I smoked the last one this morning around 9:00. I'm a tight bastard and I'll be go to hell if I'm going to pay $7 for a lousy pack of cigarettes, so I'm quitting. Wish me luck!!
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: nobodyknows
I bought a cartoon of cigs a month ago for $48. I smoked the last one this morning around 9:00. I'm a tight bastard and I'll be go to hell if I'm going to pay $7 for a lousy pack of cigarettes, so I'm quitting. Wish me luck!!
24 hours without a smoke!! LOL, I'm drooling pretty hard for one though
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Impossible. Your head is in the way.Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Listen up, trollboy....
:lips: my (_!_).
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
There are people that have smoked 2 packs a day for most of their life and lived to be well over 100.
Which says nothing about how many MORE people would have lived longer and enjoyed a better quality of life for those years if they hadn't smoked.
Most doctors will also admit that a cig or two a day is not really detrimental to your health.
I doubt that. Got proof?
Beyond that, tobacco is highly addictive, and very few smokers stop at "a cig or two a day."
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
There are people that have smoked 2 packs a day for most of their life and lived to be well over 100.
Which says nothing about how many MORE people would have lived longer and enjoyed a better quality of life for those years if they hadn't smoked.
Most doctors will also admit that a cig or two a day is not really detrimental to your health.
I doubt that. Got proof?
Beyond that, tobacco is highly addictive, and very few smokers stop at "a cig or two a day."
Maybe they didn't want to live longer. Not everybody wants to live forever Harvey.
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
There are people that have smoked 2 packs a day for most of their life and lived to be well over 100.
Which says nothing about how many MORE people would have lived longer and enjoyed a better quality of life for those years if they hadn't smoked.
Most doctors will also admit that a cig or two a day is not really detrimental to your health.
I doubt that. Got proof?
Beyond that, tobacco is highly addictive, and very few smokers stop at "a cig or two a day."
Maybe they didn't want to live longer. Not everybody wants to live forever Harvey.
And who the fuck are you to decide for everyone else? :shocked:
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: ManyBeers
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
There are people that have smoked 2 packs a day for most of their life and lived to be well over 100.
Which says nothing about how many MORE people would have lived longer and enjoyed a better quality of life for those years if they hadn't smoked.
Most doctors will also admit that a cig or two a day is not really detrimental to your health.
I doubt that. Got proof?
Beyond that, tobacco is highly addictive, and very few smokers stop at "a cig or two a day."
Maybe they didn't want to live longer. Not everybody wants to live forever Harvey.
And who the fuck are you to decide for everyone else? :shocked:
Aren't you the one doing the deciding?
And watch you're language with me.