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kb3edk

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Originally posted by: Jened
Originally posted by: rise4310
ah yeah its worth it :p

btw, using a link from Peter in another thread i like the boinc stats here, this table showing me and g.wizard top 5 in all users with 2 hosts only :)

some interesting comnpare options, like viewing how one fairs against everyone else who joined on the same day (#2 here :p )
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thanks for the link. i'll check it out tomorrow. it turns out that slow box is a p2-450 but it's always on and never used so what the heck. it already returned something so i guess it's worth it :) anyways just installed at home so i've got 3 computers cranking away now.
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Wow, those compare options are really cool. Looks like I'm number #1 in the world among all users with 4 hosts. Whoo hoo!!! :D

 
petrusbroder

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But those numbers are funny: I am listed as having 3 hosts, which is not true: I am running Rosetta on 10 hosts. OTOH, I am keeping my hosts hidden ... and that gives some probs I think. ;)

Oh, I am #1 of all those who have 3 hosts ... hmmmmm.
 
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yeah, it must be because you are "hidden" you stealthy bastich :p

on a side note, i noticed yesterday i had ~ 6 completed units that wouldn't transfer for me for some reason. i don't know how long they were there. it kept saying they were "waiting to upload" or some such thing even when units i finished afterwards uploaded ok??

i left them there and it ended up they all went through yesterday at some point. weird but at least it kept my numbers up for yesterday :)
 
petrusbroder

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That happens sometimes, mostly in Seti but in other projects too.
Never, never, never abort finished WUs. They will upload sooner or later, sometimes it may take a few days (the longest I remember was 4 days...).
Patience pays. :D
 
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Originally posted by: petrusbroder
BTW: 4 votes are in already, and there is a discussion in the November project: BOINC-thread.
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BURP doesn't normally have work, and account-creation disabled so in my opinion isn't really an option at all.
Chronos and Sztaki is "The URL you supplied is not that of a BOINC-based project"... :roll:
LHC@Home is running outdated server-software, and isn't supplying work for this reason. :frown:
PrimeGrid ate the account when tried a couple weeks ago, so won't try again while they're still in alpha... :frown:
SETI@Home/BOINC doesn't seem to have any currently serious problems.
XtremLab is currently down, AFAIK has the same problem as LHC@home, and to top it off does only have linux-application so wouldn't give any work anyway.


Hmm, since the voting-list contains projects with account-creation disabled or only linux-application, there is projects like BOINC alpha, Folding@home, The Lattice Project, Orbit@home? :p


Anyway, when LHC@home finally comes around to upgrading their server-software, it's a good project but there will always be gaps between available work, so use atleast one "backup"-project. ;)
Work in LHC@Home comes in batches, and all wu in a batch must be validated before next batch is made available. It's therefore important to use small cache-size, to minimize the time with no available work there all users is waiting on the last wu in the batch...

SETI@Home has their 3h-outage every Wednesday, but this is easily cached-over so isn't a problem.
 
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Originally posted by: Rattledagger
Originally posted by: petrusbroder
BTW: 4 votes are in already, and there is a discussion in the November project: BOINC-thread.
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BURP doesn't normally have work, and account-creation disabled so in my opinion isn't really an option at all.
Chronos and Sztaki is "The URL you supplied is not that of a BOINC-based project"... :roll:
LHC@Home is running outdated server-software, and isn't supplying work for this reason. :frown:
PrimeGrid ate the account when tried a couple weeks ago, so won't try again while they're still in alpha... :frown:
SETI@Home/BOINC doesn't seem to have any currently serious problems.
XtremLab is currently down, AFAIK has the same problem as LHC@home, and to top it off does only have linux-application so wouldn't give any work anyway.


Hmm, since the voting-list contains projects with account-creation disabled or only linux-application, there is projects like BOINC alpha, Folding@home, The Lattice Project, Orbit@home? :p


Anyway, when LHC@home finally comes around to upgrading their server-software, it's a good project but there will always be gaps between available work, so use atleast one "backup"-project. ;)
Work in LHC@Home comes in batches, and all wu in a batch must be validated before next batch is made available. It's therefore important to use small cache-size, to minimize the time with no available work there all users is waiting on the last wu in the batch...

SETI@Home has their 3h-outage every Wednesday, but this is easily cached-over so isn't a problem.
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FYI:
PrimeGrid takes your account info you enter when trying to create an account, and saves it. New accounts are granted daily, in order of entry. They only allow so many new ones per day. My account was held for at least a few weeks. :)
 
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Originally posted by: mrwizer
FYI:
PrimeGrid takes your account info you enter when trying to create an account, and saves it. New accounts are granted daily, in order of entry. They only allow so many new ones per day. My account was held for at least a few weeks. :)
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Actually, created an account with v5.1.6 on 02.10.2005, got assigned some work, crunched it, but then wanted to report it was refused with "invalid account-key" or something similar... Trying to login on web-page to the account that was there some hours earlier was impossible, both with password and account-key...

Hopefully they've fixed this bug by now...

Since PrimeGrid isn't really my type of project, it's unlikely will ever crunch more than a couple test-results even if tries again when they're out of alpha.


Anyway, at the same time, SETI@Home and CPDN worked, while Einstein@home did not...
Einstein@home was fixed a couple days later. Predictor@home wasn't fixed before 22.10.2005, and some projects like LHC@home is still not working...
 
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Got it... thought you were talking about creating an account.

I have not yet upgraded to BOINC 5 yet mainly because of LHC. Any idea when they are going to support it? If it is a ways out, then I will upgrade and shelf LHC until they do. And overall, how is 5.x.x?
 
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Hmmmm, I have been crunching LHC@Home for such a long time now ... OK, with "old" boinc", the "no WU"-issue is ususally only a few days - a week at most. Have not had any problems with them at all, how about others?
Orbit@home is Linux-only - does not do windows at all.


The other projects - any experience other tha RD's?

Have not crunched PrimeGrid - some do though and have got results ...


We can also recrunch some other BOINC-projects - please let me know so that I can append the poll!
 
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PrimeGrid seems pretty stable. The WU's are really small. Although I know some do not like math projects.
 
BlackMountainCow

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Isn't it interesting, that we all focus oin BOINC projects? I still remember the hate for BOINC in the first days/months of its release. ;)
 
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Originally posted by: mrwizer
Got it... thought you were talking about creating an account.

I have not yet upgraded to BOINC 5 yet mainly because of LHC. Any idea when they are going to support it? If it is a ways out, then I will upgrade and shelf LHC until they do. And overall, how is 5.x.x?
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Likely it was primegrid "forgot" that under v5 accounts is normally created by the client, not via the web, so maybe it was re-created a week later or something...


As for LHC@Home:
24.10.2005 11:10 UTC
Everything seems to work fine on the alpha server so we will start upgrading the main server. Expect outtages today.
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So, LHC@Home should be ready for a possible November-run. :cool:


Oh, and in case it wasn't clear, in none of the projects BOINC alpha, Folding@home, The Lattice Project nor Orbit@home is it currently possible to create an account, so just like BURP these is in my opinion not an usable alternative.
 
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I want to give a great big THANK YOU to Rattledagger for all of the timely help he has given TAS. Much appreciated :)
 
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Well, LHC@home apparently screwed-up the upgrade so is currently down, but this should hopefully be fixed tomorrow so would still be a possible project for November.



If wants to add the already-run BOINC-projects to the poll to have more runnable projects to choose from, a couple more comments...

Rosetta@home was atleast in my opinion choosen as TAS-project too early, and seems to have had many problems. There's still some bugs to iron-out, so not an option for November.

Maybe just my feeling, but Predictor@home has always seemed to have unstable work-supplying, but if you adds atleast one backup-project this shouldn't be any problems.
There's been some reports of stuck results needing "ok" to error-out, leaving idle cpu while waiting. Not quite sure if this is fixed or not, so would atleast not recommend it on a computer that isn't checked daily.

Einstein@home, seems to have the most stable servers, and don't know of any serious problems. It's also the project with smallest memory-usage.

CPDN has the ocassional server-outage, but with very long wu this isn't an issue.
Due to the Sulphur Cycle-models 2+ months crunch-time but only 5 months deadline, choosing CPDN as November-project also means you've already got a December-project. :)
Of course, needing 1.4GB disk-space it's not all computers that is powerful enough for CPDN, and more than one "stable" overclocked computer shows wasn't really stable afterall... :evil:


This gives CPDN, Einstein@home, LHC@home, Predictor@home and SETI@Home as possible BOINC-projects for November. The other projects has one or more bugs to fix, but will probably be possible choises in 2006. :cool:


Anyway, in the end the choise is up to TAS. :beer:
 
kb3edk

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Congratulations to all of my R@H TeAmmates on reaching the 200,000 point mark today! :D
 
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