Taliban warn of revenge if attacked

[Digobick]

<< Russia might try kicking a dog (the US) while its down, but I doubt it seriously. >>

Aren't we keeping Russia afloat finncially?

 

[Bob/NYC]

According to the Russian news agency Interfax,
Afghanistan's Taliban forces are preparing for a large
scale offensive against opposition Northern Alliance
forces in the provinces of Takhar and Parwan, and are
calling up more troops for the operation. This buildup
comes amid reports that Northern Alliance commander
Ahmad Shah Masood has died of injuries sustained in a
Sept. 9 assassination attempt, and despite the potential
for U.S retaliatory strikes against the Taliban for
harboring Osama bin Laden. 1942 GMT, 091401

The Russian news agency RIA reported Sept. 14 that
the Taliban have denied all foreigners entrance to
Afghanistan, though Taliban representatives in
Islamabad deny the allegations. RIA also reports that
the Taliban have begun deploying air defense systems
along Afghanistan's borders, and have deployed
surface-to-surface missiles along Afghanistan's borders
with Pakistan, Iran and Tajikistan. According to RIA,
recent reports indicate Osama bin Laden has moved to
Kandahar, headquarters of the Taliban movement.
0955 GMT, 091401

Interfax reports that forces in northern Afghanistan
allied with the Taliban, including Uzbek and Chechen
militants, are allegedly trying to acquire detailed maps
of Russia. 1945 GMT, 091401

 

[slyedog]

nuke weapons are terrible and i hope never used again. but you cannot win a war by
bombing empty wharehouses and deserts. you have to kill the civilians to win the war.
Japan only surrendered after the civilians were killed.BTW they killed ours.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Whatever happens, we must not use nuclear warheads of any kind. As soon as one goes, everyone else who has them will want to try their's out. Last thing we need is nuclear winter worldwide.

You forget about neutron warheads... the enviromentally friendlier alternative. All it does is kill, without massive property damage.

The use of nuclear weapons in inevitable. Eventually, one of these terrorists will use it or another weapon of mass destruction against us (chemical, biological, pocket nuke, etc.) It could come in by ship... plane, UPS - by any means.

Would it be okay to wait for them to fire first? Is it better to wait and retaliate after millions of us are dead, smoldering in what remains of our cities?

We might be able to strike (with the EMP) and then hit them with tactical nukes to remove all of their military posts... permanently.

I agree that nukes are horrible - but so is burning to death from conventional weapons. We need to cripple their ability to make war. Forever.


Also, Jeff7, I can't believe you just refered to Star Trek: First Contact as a historical reference.

 

[zmatrix]

Why do people feel that it's a one step process to eliminate these guys?

"Oh let's just bomb the sh!t out of Afghan.."

Do you people know what implications of us bombing them are? There will be retailiation on all fronts - escpecially OUR home front. Why do people not see that there may be a lot more fanatics that may still live in the US just waiting for this type of action to happen. They will retaliate in ways you can not imagine. What's to stop one of these terrorist, strapped with explosives, going into a local WalMart on a busy weekend and blowing them up. Or simpler yet, somone chucking a grenade into your shopping market aisle and killing people that way.

People, it is not that easy. There are too many reprecussions we may come against in the coming months if the events unfolding take us into war. Bombings like this happen all over the world, in places like London and the middle east. Soon they will make us fear going out of our own homes. It will be war on a smaller front to which we will not be able to defend ourselves against.

Just take a minute and think for a moment and don't be so quick to jump up and say, yeah let's bomb them all and kill all of them at once. Not all of the fanatics and extremists live there. Let's all hope that it can be taken care of without losing our way of life as we know it.

 

[LAUST]

Basically it says if you attack us like men we will stab you in the back like the cowards we are, BTW we are going to continue to treat our Women like $h!t cause it makes us feel better.

 

[OrByte]

perfectly said zmatrix.

 

[gonzo2k]

We're not going to attack "through other means"! We already rang the bell and we're coming in the front door.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

The thing is that we have tried every other alternative to deal with these a$$holes. We have tried diplomacy, foreign aid, more diplomacy, embargo, bombing, UN Condemnation, bombing, - and they don't stop it. The Afghani state is firmly behind the violence. They have been, and if left alone... always will be.

Do you really want to send a UN delegation to search for nukes that you know are there but hidden. This is ridiculous. Been there, done that.

What you fail to understand is that the extremists are going to nuke us anyway... It is a matter of time. We have to retaliate. We did comparatively nothing following the destruction of the USS Cole and the US embassies (under Clinton), and look what passifism got us. Nothing.

They will not be happy until the Sword of Allah is brought down upon the running dog lackey capitalists of the West.

Even if we bomb the hell out of them, the will still happily bomb us. This is a jihad, a holy war. And the combatants have everything to gain dying for the glory of their lord. We have everything to lose.

Kill them all, and kill them now.

 

[BigJohnKC]

<< Man, I never thought I'd hear that on TV! Franklin Graham, Billy Graham's son, called for the use of Weapons of Mass Destruction on CNN! >>



I wonder why when a Christian says we should retaliate against these fvcks they are branded as a christian extremist?
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<< Crap, I just hope we don't have Christian extremists now... We should just leave religion out of this. >>

)

ALl the rest of you who aren't Christians who say nuke em aren't suddenly attacked as Christian extremists. We Christians are just as mad and sorrowful as the rest of you...why you gotta pick on us too?



<< Holy hell.... these christian extremists are almost as scary as the muslim ones.
ALMOST. Until they drive passenger planes into buildings the muslim extremists will hold the top spot on my sh!t list. >>



Keep picking on the motherfvckers who ran the planes into our buildings and leave the "Christian extremists" out of this, okay?
:disgust:

 

[SinMen]

We can kill as many innocent civilians, kids, women, as we want, and do you think Taliban and the terrorists will care? I am all for getting rid of the terrorists, but not the innocent. Nuke them? Do you think China will want US to use a nuclear weapon in their backyard? Remeber how we accidentally bomb their embassy and kill several innocent Chinese? And if that accident happens again, who know what China's response will be this time. They have nuclear warheads too.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

There are feasible ways to use tactical nukes to eliminate the problem, minimizing "innocent" lives lost. The zealots are hiding among the "innocent." In many ways the "innocent" are aiding and abetting the guilty.

We saw on the West Bank how the "innocent" were celebrating our carnage. The problem is that among the "innocent" is tomorrow's zealot.

 

[tcsenter]

<< And if that accident happens again, who know what China's response will be this time. They have nuclear warheads too. >>

Haha, China has the Olympics coming in a few years, a prime target for terrorist attacks. If we have to use a few small nukes, and the reprocussions of that will be that China has a few less terrorists to worry about, I'm sure they're all for that. We've already got Russia and China to basically let us do what we want over there. You people really don't have a grasp of what's going on do you?

BTW, we can strike China 10 times before they can strike us, and they know it. Which means, by attacking the US, China commits suicide. So, you're saying, to protect China, China is willing to destroy itself? Does that sound logical to you?

 

[ManSnake]

The Chinese leadership despise the Afghans, so don't expect the Chinese to oppose the use of force on Afghanistan. China has its problems with terrorism also. Northwestern part of China aka East Turkestan is mostly Muslim. There are groups of Islamic fundamentalists (separatists) in that region trained in Afghanistan and sent back to big cities in central China to bomb buses and apartment buildings, this happens pretty frequently. I bet China would love to see the Taliban get wiped out.

 

[MF1]

Terrorism supporting countries should be dealt with severely.

 

[shaddow]

to me their threat refers to nukes, which would not be farfetched considering how much money these groups seem to have

 

[SJ]

China doesn't like the Afghans/Taliban, but they give stuff to Pakistan, who in turns gives it to the Taliban.

 

[ilikemovie]

So what is the deal here. It is OK for Taliban to attack United State and not the other way round? Those people are just like kids.

 

[Viperbob]

Guilty shame shame

Now where did I put that industral 55gal can 'o whoop ass!

If that not an admission of guilt I dont know what is! These guys DONT have a airforce We should do this on the Ground though M1's can take out there military get the A10's outa mothballs!!! We should limit civilain causaltys but we gotta kick some serious ass here

Come on Pakistain we got a operation to run!

 

[etech]

Afghan Taliban Warns U.S. Strikes Would Sow Hatred

Did anyone else notice this?

"Concerned over a repeat of U.S. reprisals on Afghanistan that followed deadly 1998 attacks on U.S. embassies in Africa, the Taliban issued hasty denials that bin Laden, who they describe as their guest, was capable of mounting such a vast coordinated conspiracy.

Mutmaen called for patience as the investigation sought to catch those behind the deadly attacks and said -- as had been the case for around two years -- that bin Laden had no outside communication links.

``The ban which we had imposed on him is in place, he doesn't have access to fax, to phone, or any other means of communication,'' Mutmaen said.

A newspaper in Pakistan said it had received a message from Osama bin Laden that he was not involved. "



How did a newspaper in Pakistan receive a message from bin Laden if he does not have access to fax, to phone or any other means of communication?

 

[Squisher]

I have heard the pleading of Arab-Americans in this forum over the last few days for the rest of us not to look down on all Muslims.


Well, I have a request for those from the Arab-American community here in America:


I request that you pledge now and forever to ferret out these evil murdering thugs from our ranks. You have the power to give these people no quarter.


These people do not operate in a vacumn. Do you live here as a member of the American community or are you here as an ungrateful guest?

 

[AAjax]

<< What worries me if they have access to nuclear, chemical or biological weapons. >>




It bothers me too, but if they are suicidal enough to use such weapons, they better take every one of us out the first time, because if they dont they will not have a second chance.

 

[SinMen]

<< We've already got Russia and China to basically let us do what we want over there. You people really don't have a grasp of what's going on do you? BTW, we can strike China 10 times before they can strike us, and they know it. Which means, by attacking the US, China commits suicide. So, you're saying, to protect China, China is willing to destroy itself? Does that sound logical to you? >>


Have you read any Chinese newspaper lately? I have. Communist China basically said they support getting the terrorists, but don't expect them to help with military action. Yes, we can strike them 10 times before they can strike us, but if we nuke them, you really expect they will just sit there without any retaliation? They would love to get a chance to try their warheads.

 

[sandorski]

Zmatrix: Yup, many aren't thinking very clearly. The US and it's Allies need to clean up their own backyards first. These terrorists didn't just arrive in the US early Tuesday then hijack their connecting flights to LA. Many of them have been in the US for a few years! There are likely to be hundreds more waiting for their time to carry out their mission.

I'm going to quote from memory a famous Canadian military historian Gwen Dyer: "At the height of Britains military power, the Afghans defeated Britain. At the height of the Soviet Unions power, the Afghans defeated the Soviet Union. That's not to say that they can't be defeated, but you need a point of operation such as Pakistan and be willing to stick it out for many years. It can be done, but it's going to be awfull bloody. Those hills swallow up armies!"

Things I would concerned about:

1) If China makes a move against Taiwan, will the US have anything left to defend Taiwan?

2) When US casualties begin piling up, will the American public begin to waver in their support.

3) Related to point 2. In 2 to 3 years of fighting will the American public's support begin to wane?

4) How are other Middle Eastern nations going to react? Will they cut off oil supplies to the US?

5) Can the economy withstand a long very expensive war, especially, as mentioned in point 4, if other Middle Eastern nations cut off oil to the US?

6) Will China or some other nearby nation throw their support behind Afghan if the US overcommits it's forces? Remember that China doesn't have much of a Navy or Airforce, but their nearby proximity and the sheer power of their vast Armies could make them an overwhelming force.

Make no mistake, this will not be a walk in the park! This could easily end up being another Vietnam or, on the extreme end, be the prelude to Armaggedon.

 

[Miramonti]

Taliban warn of revenge if attacked

I believe at the forefront of this revenge is the vulnerability of the 8 prisoners that they are holding for "preaching christianity". On top of the families that are already victims to the terrorism, I feel bad for the families that are currently anticipating an execution of their relatives being held because the taliban will most likely put them in front of potential US targets.