Take that ResNet and limited bandwidth

[dc]

/me hugs his pacbell 6Mbps/600Kbps dsl. wish the upload was better though.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: nsafreak
Please tell me how the HELL are you kiddies are downloading in excess of 5 gigabytes per DAY???? Good lord in the morning, I could've sworn that the tuition money that you're paying (or your parents in some cases) is going towards an education. Not towards you downloading every mp3,movie,etc. that you can get your hands on. I just don't get it, I have a high speed connection and I download game demos (have to d/l the WoW stress test yet), the occasional linux ISO and some movies. On average I download a few gigabytes per month but not PER DAY. Frankly I kindof hope that the OP not only gets his connection yanked for a week but they also ban his computer from wireless access as well, it really wouldn't be too hard to do you know.

USENET. Setup a script and go. :evil:

 

[5489]

Originally posted by: nsafreak
Please tell me how the HELL are you kiddies are downloading in excess of 5 gigabytes per DAY???? Good lord in the morning, I could've sworn that the tuition money that you're paying (or your parents in some cases) is going towards an education. Not towards you downloading every mp3,movie,etc. that you can get your hands on. I just don't get it, I have a high speed connection and I download game demos (have to d/l the WoW stress test yet), the occasional linux ISO and some movies. On average I download a few gigabytes per month but not PER DAY. Frankly I kindof hope that the OP not only gets his connection yanked for a week but they also ban his computer from wireless access as well, it really wouldn't be too hard to do you know.

why would you hope that the OP's connection gets banned, as well as wireless? just because you dont find a need to download as much as other people do, that doesnt mean they should start being like you.

and im sure SOME of the money we are paying goes to internet connection. we pay for the education, housing, food, internet, etc. we pay 20k a year, i think we should be allowed to download more than a measily 5gb a week.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: 5489

Originally posted by: nsafreak
Please tell me how the HELL are you kiddies are downloading in excess of 5 gigabytes per DAY???? Good lord in the morning, I could've sworn that the tuition money that you're paying (or your parents in some cases) is going towards an education. Not towards you downloading every mp3,movie,etc. that you can get your hands on. I just don't get it, I have a high speed connection and I download game demos (have to d/l the WoW stress test yet), the occasional linux ISO and some movies. On average I download a few gigabytes per month but not PER DAY. Frankly I kindof hope that the OP not only gets his connection yanked for a week but they also ban his computer from wireless access as well, it really wouldn't be too hard to do you know.

why would you hope that the OP's connection gets banned, as well as wireless? just because you dont find a need to download as much as other people do, that doesnt mean they should start being like you.

and im sure SOME of the money we are paying goes to internet connection. we pay for the education, housing, food, internet, etc. we pay 20k a year, i think we should be allowed to download more than a measily 5gb a week.

If it goes against the ToS, and he habitually breaks those ToS, he should be disconnected.

EDIT: If you want to download more than you agreed to by accepting the ToS, pay for an alternate internet connection.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: 5489

Originally posted by: nsafreak
Please tell me how the HELL are you kiddies are downloading in excess of 5 gigabytes per DAY???? Good lord in the morning, I could've sworn that the tuition money that you're paying (or your parents in some cases) is going towards an education. Not towards you downloading every mp3,movie,etc. that you can get your hands on. I just don't get it, I have a high speed connection and I download game demos (have to d/l the WoW stress test yet), the occasional linux ISO and some movies. On average I download a few gigabytes per month but not PER DAY. Frankly I kindof hope that the OP not only gets his connection yanked for a week but they also ban his computer from wireless access as well, it really wouldn't be too hard to do you know.

why would you hope that the OP's connection gets banned, as well as wireless? just because you dont find a need to download as much as other people do, that doesnt mean they should start being like you.

and im sure SOME of the money we are paying goes to internet connection. we pay for the education, housing, food, internet, etc. we pay 20k a year, i think we should be allowed to download more than a measily 5gb a week.

If it goes against the ToS, and he habitually breaks those ToS, he should be disconnected.

EDIT: If you want to download more than you agreed to by accepting the ToS, pay for an alternate internet connection.

Um, there is no alternate internet connection in the dorms you dumbass. Also, you are REQUIRED to stay in the dorms.

 

[MikeMike]

hehe, atleast here at purdue its 3gb per day. that gives you a good amount of overhead.

MIKE

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: nsafreak
Please tell me how the HELL are you kiddies are downloading in excess of 5 gigabytes per DAY???? Good lord in the morning, I could've sworn that the tuition money that you're paying (or your parents in some cases) is going towards an education. Not towards you downloading every mp3,movie,etc. that you can get your hands on. I just don't get it, I have a high speed connection and I download game demos (have to d/l the WoW stress test yet), the occasional linux ISO and some movies. On average I download a few gigabytes per month but not PER DAY. Frankly I kindof hope that the OP not only gets his connection yanked for a week but they also ban his computer from wireless access as well, it really wouldn't be too hard to do you know.

at UW Oshkosh, the limit is 1gb/day.

Website backup (daily): 300mb (compressed)
live remote connection via SSH tunneling: 400MB
uploading files to website: usually about 50mb/day
That is just daily stuff.

 

[ScottMac]

Waaa waaa waaa .... whiney-a$$ kids.

When I went to school, they didn't even give you modems, you had to whistle into a bare wire.....

Part of your education is growing up, learning to follow the rules and be a learn to be a responsible citizen.

With *extremely* rare exception, most of the "get around the system" students are nothing more then entertainment fodder for the networking / security folks. Everything you're going to try has been done before (and nailed).

Also take into account that they keep logs. When your connection is yanked, and you get your parent(s) to b!tch to the adminsitration, they will produce the connection logs of all the "research" sites you've been accessing.

Have fun while you can ....

Scott

 

[Kilrsat]

Originally posted by: LordSegan
Policies like these are serious "bullshit" . Universities need to suck it up and freaking buy fatter pipes. I agree that there need to be limits if the university is trying to serve 200 kids on a T1, but the real issue is that they need to buy bigger pipes. For 10,000-40,000 $ a year they can afford to

Edit: they *should* be able to afford it at least

Because you don't understand the University of Wisconsin network, which is what the OP is complaining about, I'll give you a little more info:

UW-Madison Network Statistics

You'll notice from those graphs that the UW network is pushing 200-300mbit/s inbound and outbound pretty much all day long. As of two years ago the network itself was connected to the rest of the internet by a pair of OC-12s, so campus bandwidth is not a problem. UW-ResNet pays the university to lease 65mbit/s of that bandwidth. Even with a Packeteer Packetshaper governing speeds, this was still not enough to keep up with the abuses going on by the students. This year they introduced the 5GB/7 days rule, so that legitimate activities would have sufficient bandwidth to not take forever.

So no, it is not a bandwidth starved campus, it is a research oriented campus where the amount of time it takes a student to download a song isn't high on the priority list.

 

[spidey07]

heh, you guys have no idea how expensive a network is to run. Bandwidth costs are but a small portion.

don't like it, get something else.

 

[kranky]

I don't understand the connection between paying for college and the right to huge bandwidth. If that's the most important thing, skip college and just pay for a big pipe. It would be a heck of a lot cheaper than tuition.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: Kilrsat

Originally posted by: LordSegan
Policies like these are serious "bullshit" . Universities need to suck it up and freaking buy fatter pipes. I agree that there need to be limits if the university is trying to serve 200 kids on a T1, but the real issue is that they need to buy bigger pipes. For 10,000-40,000 $ a year they can afford to

Edit: they *should* be able to afford it at least

Because you don't understand the University of Wisconsin network, which is what the OP is complaining about, I'll give you a little more info:

UW-Madison Network Statistics

You'll notice from those graphs that the UW network is pushing 200-300mbit/s inbound and outbound pretty much all day long. As of two years ago the network itself was connected to the rest of the internet by a pair of OC-12s, so campus bandwidth is not a problem. UW-ResNet pays the university to lease 65mbit/s of that bandwidth. Even with a Packeteer Packetshaper governing speeds, this was still not enough to keep up with the abuses going on by the students. This year they introduced the 5GB/7 days rule, so that legitimate activities would have sufficient bandwidth to not take forever.

So no, it is not a bandwidth starved campus, it is a research oriented campus where the amount of time it takes a student to download a song isn't high on the priority list.

lol. The Packeteer Packetshaper was causing students to need to reboot their systems in the dorms after every 15-60 minutes of use for THREE months.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: kranky
I don't understand the connection between paying for college and the right to huge bandwidth. If that's the most important thing, skip college and just pay for a big pipe. It would be a heck of a lot cheaper than tuition.

Because Colleges are the few places that have the prestigue and buying power to acquire the massive pipelines nessisary for the huge bandwidth everyone wants. Their hookups are always going to be fast, and as close as possible to the "core network", keeping latency to a minimum. Even if you could get a fast connection(>T1) in a residential area, it's still really expensive(you're almost better off paying tuition), and it's often hindered by a less than optimal path to the internet, and some kind of monthly bandwidth cap.

 

[Kilrsat]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: Kilrsat

Originally posted by: LordSegan
Policies like these are serious "bullshit" . Universities need to suck it up and freaking buy fatter pipes. I agree that there need to be limits if the university is trying to serve 200 kids on a T1, but the real issue is that they need to buy bigger pipes. For 10,000-40,000 $ a year they can afford to

Edit: they *should* be able to afford it at least

Because you don't understand the University of Wisconsin network, which is what the OP is complaining about, I'll give you a little more info:

UW-Madison Network Statistics

You'll notice from those graphs that the UW network is pushing 200-300mbit/s inbound and outbound pretty much all day long. As of two years ago the network itself was connected to the rest of the internet by a pair of OC-12s, so campus bandwidth is not a problem. UW-ResNet pays the university to lease 65mbit/s of that bandwidth. Even with a Packeteer Packetshaper governing speeds, this was still not enough to keep up with the abuses going on by the students. This year they introduced the 5GB/7 days rule, so that legitimate activities would have sufficient bandwidth to not take forever.

So no, it is not a bandwidth starved campus, it is a research oriented campus where the amount of time it takes a student to download a song isn't high on the priority list.

lol. The Packeteer Packetshaper was causing students to need to reboot their systems in the dorms after every 15-60 minutes of use for THREE months.

Umm... no? The first packetshaper was deployed in Fall '01, it was replaced by a new model in Fall '02, and they have been getting fairly regular software updates on this one. No such problems occurred during 2001-2002, and given that I had first hand knowledge of systems on the Madison ResNet that were offering services non-stop from Sept 2003 - Dec 2003 and Jan 2004 -May 2004, without being rebooted, I think you need to check your information.

If you happen to be referring to a packetshaper on a campus other than Madison, then that's fine, but we're talking about the Madison network. In that case it sounds like there was an implementation problem at wherever you are.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: 5489

Originally posted by: nsafreak
Please tell me how the HELL are you kiddies are downloading in excess of 5 gigabytes per DAY???? Good lord in the morning, I could've sworn that the tuition money that you're paying (or your parents in some cases) is going towards an education. Not towards you downloading every mp3,movie,etc. that you can get your hands on. I just don't get it, I have a high speed connection and I download game demos (have to d/l the WoW stress test yet), the occasional linux ISO and some movies. On average I download a few gigabytes per month but not PER DAY. Frankly I kindof hope that the OP not only gets his connection yanked for a week but they also ban his computer from wireless access as well, it really wouldn't be too hard to do you know.

why would you hope that the OP's connection gets banned, as well as wireless? just because you dont find a need to download as much as other people do, that doesnt mean they should start being like you.

and im sure SOME of the money we are paying goes to internet connection. we pay for the education, housing, food, internet, etc. we pay 20k a year, i think we should be allowed to download more than a measily 5gb a week.

If it goes against the ToS, and he habitually breaks those ToS, he should be disconnected.

EDIT: If you want to download more than you agreed to by accepting the ToS, pay for an alternate internet connection.

Um, there is no alternate internet connection in the dorms you dumbass. Also, you are REQUIRED to stay in the dorms.

Dialup dumbass.

 

[kranky]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: kranky
I don't understand the connection between paying for college and the right to huge bandwidth. If that's the most important thing, skip college and just pay for a big pipe. It would be a heck of a lot cheaper than tuition.

Because Colleges are the few places that have the prestigue and buying power to acquire the massive pipelines nessisary for the huge bandwidth everyone wants. Their hookups are always going to be fast, and as close as possible to the "core network", keeping latency to a minimum. Even if you could get a fast connection(>T1) in a residential area, it's still really expensive(you're almost better off paying tuition), and it's often hindered by a less than optimal path to the internet, and some kind of monthly bandwidth cap.

I understand what you're saying, but I still don't see how people think they have a "right" to massive bandwidth just by virtue of living on a college campus. It's not as though they are telling people one thing and then not delivering.

If this is such a big factor for people, why don't they research what the bandwidth rules are before selecting a school? I'm thinking of the earlier post that said a 1.5Gb weekly limit made personal computers "useless".

 

[amdskip]

I'm a resnet tech for a campus with 11,000+ students. We took care of the bandwidth issues by setting it up to limit connections to 40 per machine and 10 overflow limit for http traffic only. Students last year had machines with 1000+ connections open at the same time. There is no limit on how much traffic you can do.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: kranky
I don't understand the connection between paying for college and the right to huge bandwidth. If that's the most important thing, skip college and just pay for a big pipe. It would be a heck of a lot cheaper than tuition.

Because Colleges are the few places that have the prestigue and buying power to acquire the massive pipelines nessisary for the huge bandwidth everyone wants. Their hookups are always going to be fast, and as close as possible to the "core network", keeping latency to a minimum. Even if you could get a fast connection(>T1) in a residential area, it's still really expensive(you're almost better off paying tuition), and it's often hindered by a less than optimal path to the internet, and some kind of monthly bandwidth cap.

This is completely and totally untrue.

when you purchase a internet conneciton it is NOT capped in any way shape or form.

And to add any true tier 1 ISP (ATT, level 3, etc) connection is about as close as you can get. Its from the same providers a uni gets them from. The uni is just another customer.

A university is no different other than having several thousands abusers that the college must protect itself from in order to conduct "normal" internet traffic.

 

[svtour1]

hmm, ive transferred about 16gb down and 26up in 2 days, im on resnet. damn bittorrent

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: amdskip
I'm a resnet tech for a campus with 11,000+ students. We took care of the bandwidth issues by setting it up to limit connections to 40 per machine and 10 overflow limit for http traffic only. Students last year had machines with 1000+ connections open at the same time. There is no limit on how much traffic you can do.

Now that sounds like a reasonable response to the issue.

 

[OrganizedChaos]

bandwith sucker upper

 

[nCred]

ha! I´ve downloaded more then 5 gb just today.

 

[her209]

Wow... sucks for you. Good thing no bandwidth limit on my ISP. I've managed to download over 150GB in one week. :thumbsup:

 

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: her209
Wow... sucks for you. Good thing no bandwidth limit on my ISP. I've managed to download over 150GB in one week. :thumbsup:

I'VE FOUND HIM...the man with the strongest wrist on the internet and soon to be blind

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: BigJelly

Originally posted by: her209
Wow... sucks for you. Good thing no bandwidth limit on my ISP. I've managed to download over 150GB in one week. :thumbsup:

I'VE FOUND HIM...the man with the strongest wrist on the internet and soon to be blind

Soon to be? Didnt you see his post about his new Braille keyboard?